Oh not another post post modern philosopher, science is evil I tells you, seems to be all it is about these days.
I once knew some scientists, it wont surprise you to know they are just like you. Well no exactly like you, obviously or they would abandon their career obviously.
Equality means valuing everything as the same, slavery is obviously an anathema to that ideology. Luckily it is a dying trade...
I'm not 'post post modern' (whatever that is), I'm not anti-science, and I'm no philosopher.
I laughed at "it makes Scientists feel bad" 'cause it was funny.
Not every comment posted (by me, anyway) is loaded...sometimes (often times) a cigar is just a friggin' cigar.
fair enough.
post modernists eschew science and are basically Luddites, post post modernists are hence people who came after, and also by definition are a reaction to postmodernism generally anti post modernists, incidentally. In philosophy it is more complex but not much more complex they generally eschew philosophy that is objective.
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"slavery is obviously an anathema to that ideology (equality)."
A succinct (and wholly unnecessary) statement of the obvious.
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"post modernists eschew science and are basically Luddites, post post modernists are hence people who came after, and also by definition are anti science, incidentally. In philosophy it is more complex but not much more complex they generally eschew philosophy that is objective."
I don't care.
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"All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law."
Incidentally most people believe erroneously that the UK has no written constitution it does and this is the only article. The Magna carta makes reference to equality, and later it is developed into the idea of democracy and parliamentary representation. Although ironically the monarch was not subject to the law, and indeed was immune from prosecution. Dieu et mon droit and all that. Referring to his divine right to rule...
In fact laughably there has never been reform on this issue so presumably if King Charles III guns down 80 subjects in a gun battle extraordinaire he is immune from prosecution.
I have to say though I find it somewhat unlikely any of the Royal family are likely to go on gun rampages or be done up like a kipper by the rozzers on any charge but there you go, the law is still blind to the reigning monarch though...
henry quirk wrote:"It really just depends upon which side you're on, i.e., a would be slave owner, or a would be slave emancipator?"
There's a third choice: to not own folks and to let those who allow themselves to be owned to do as they like (run away, rise up, stay put, etc.). The third choice is a figment of ones imagination, meant to quell their uproar of conscience, where an inkling of the golden rule seeps in, as they see the potential of themselves on the opposing side, (that little problem I mentioned, of actually hurting oneself in the process), so they can continue to create that which seemingly 'serves' them now.
As for arguing (for or against) equality: I've done that
(argued concretely against the reality of) Not quite! The truth of it all, the dynamics of it all, clearly escapes you. You do not sit back and judge the reality of it objectively, instead you are but one of many cogs that create the reality of it, because it serves "you!" You said so yourself!
and haven't been moved by any (of what passes for) dissenting views. No doubt, the trait of one who's fear has run-a-muck , or maybe a touch of Asperger's?
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"it makes Scientists feel bad"
HA!
FACT:
"The ones that argue there is 'no' equality, are the ones that make it so!"
"While the ones that argue there 'is' equality, equally, make that so!"
henry quirk wrote:"Equality means valuing everything as the same"
In the context of this thread: not exactly. Here let me refresh your memory,
THE OP:
martinm wrote:After the Equality and human rights subject was ended I thought you might like to ponder on this:
The problem with Equality, is, unless we are all meticulous and generous with surpluses, somebody has to define, administer and police Equality. The makes a lifetime work for these civil servants of the 'state'.
As individual wealth fluctuates, the definition of equality changes, Certain people decide they 'know' what this definition should be and regard themselves as a special 'elite' or 'class' or 'leader' , deserving perhaps of more that is regarded as the dues for the others. The 'elites' police and condemn categories of behavior that is outside what they consider just, (excluding their own, of course). adding in their personal prejudices and politics. The 'elite' administration grows and grows, the elite get richer and richer.
The European Union is based on ever closer laws to treat all people of Europe equally, and you can judge for yourself the outcome: Ever more regulation, until the people can stand it no more. hence the breakup of the EU.
You see, he is clearly speaking of those like you that believes, and thus lives as though equality does not exist, those that take advantage of those that, understand that equality does exist, and thus don't try to exploit with their imagined power.
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"slavery is obviously an anathema to that ideology (equality)."
A succinct (and wholly unnecessary) statement of the obvious. Yet some foolishly persist!
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"post modernists eschew science and are basically Luddites, post post modernists are hence people who came after, and also by definition are anti science, incidentally. In philosophy it is more complex but not much more complex they generally eschew philosophy that is objective."
I don't care. Except for your "self," yes that much is obvious!
henry quirk wrote:"The ones that argue there is 'no' equality, are the ones that make it so!"
No. Those who recognize 'equality' as fiction are free to focus on more important things (coffee, cigarettes, etc.).
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"While the ones that argue there 'is' equality, equally, make that so!"
No. Those who persist in chasing after rainbows live in a state of exhaustion and disappointment.
You've picked your perspective; I've picked mine.
Best of luck, SoB (yer gonna need it).
You can lead fools to knowledge, but you can't make them think!
With your view, unfortunately, one day, you'll probably choke on your spear!
FACT:
"The ones that argue there is 'no' equality, are the ones that make it so!"
"While the ones that argue there 'is' equality, equally, make that so!"
SpheresOfBalance wrote:
You can lead fools to knowledge, but you can't make them think!
So anyone who doesn't think and believe as you do, is a fool, Thanks for the clarification.
Also, so much for open mindedness, as they are obviously fools, to allow others to think and believe differently than they do.
Not at all, you apparently just feel the need to fight. It's this particular case, because in 'fact,' I'm right!
Do you want to argue over the specs of the APS115? Or how about something 'you're' very familiar with? At which time the tables would be turned, I don't fear that!
The blanket statement was in your mind, to fuel your need! Do I somehow threaten you? Sorry about that, it's not my fault, try not to project your fears, and then make someone else pay for it!
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