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Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 5:27 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 5:25 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 5:10 pm
God's always right.

So you say, but that doesn't mean a thing.

It will mean a great deal to you one day. In fact, it will mean everything.

It will never mean anything to me. You say one thing, someone else says another thing, so to listen to one person means ignoring all the others, and you will inevitably sometimes be one of the others.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 3:42 pm

Alexiev wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 11:13 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 6:51 pm
Well...now that you mention it...

Here's the evidence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk8ftgR9jK4

I suspected you got most of your information from YouTube. Thanks for confirming.

And yet...it's a conversation between two recognized experts in the field, quoting directly from Marx. And...you can't be bothered.

So...*shrug*

I prefer reading to watching TV. You're right. I can't be bothered with your '"recognized experts". Quoting? Like I quote the Bible about killing witches?

Harbal wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 6:04 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 5:27 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 5:25 pm

So you say, but that doesn't mean a thing.

It will mean a great deal to you one day. In fact, it will mean everything.

It will never mean anything to me. You say one thing, someone else says another thing, so to listen to one person means ignoring all the others, and you will inevitably sometimes be one of the others.

Well, reality will sort that out.

Alexiev wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 6:43 pm I quote the Bible about killing witches...

You quote instructions to Israel as if they were instructions to Christians. But you find no such injunction directed to Christians, just as you find no duty for Christians to execute murderers, not to mix clothing-fibres, to cross the Jordan, or to circumcise their babies.

If you were aware of context, it would certainly prevent you from making more embarassing mistakes, perhaps. Perhaps. We can see.

But you did have something right, and didn't want to check it out: Marx was quite Satanic, just as you predicted. And his own words provide abundant evidence of that -- were you not apparently afraid even to hear them read to you.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 7:06 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 6:04 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 5:27 pm
It will mean a great deal to you one day. In fact, it will mean everything.

It will never mean anything to me. You say one thing, someone else says another thing, so to listen to one person means ignoring all the others, and you will inevitably sometimes be one of the others.

Well, reality will sort that out.

I disagree; I don't think anything will be sorted out.

Harbal wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 7:26 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 7:06 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 6:04 pm

It will never mean anything to me. You say one thing, someone else says another thing, so to listen to one person means ignoring all the others, and you will inevitably sometimes be one of the others.

Well, reality will sort that out.

I disagree; I don't think anything will be sorted out.

Agree or not, reality will win.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 7:38 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 7:26 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 7:06 pm
Well, reality will sort that out.

I disagree; I don't think anything will be sorted out.

Agree or not, reality will win.

Why do you believe that your beliefs align with 'reality'?

Also, what do you think or believe there is to actually 'win' and/or 'lose' here, exactly?

Reality never 'wins' any thing. Reality just keeps going on, not what what you human beings think or believe.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 7:38 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 7:26 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 7:06 pm
Well, reality will sort that out.

I disagree; I don't think anything will be sorted out.

Agree or not, reality will win.

We'll see.

Harbal wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 10:01 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 7:38 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 7:26 pm

I disagree; I don't think anything will be sorted out.

Agree or not, reality will win.

We'll see.

Indeed so.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 10:07 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 10:01 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 7:38 pm
Agree or not, reality will win.

We'll see.

Indeed so.

Absolutely.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 7:12 pm

Alexiev wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 6:43 pm I quote the Bible about killing witches...

You quote instructions to Israel as if they were instructions to Christians. But you find no such injunction directed to Christians, just as you find no duty for Christians to execute murderers, not to mix clothing-fibres, to cross the Jordan, or to circumcise their babies.

If you were aware of context, it would certainly prevent you from making more embarassing mistakes, perhaps. Perhaps. We can see.

But you did have something right, and didn't want to check it out: Marx was quite Satanic, just as you predicted. And his own words provide abundant evidence of that -- were you not apparently afraid even to hear them read to you.

Your sources are not trustworthy. Didn't Jesus say he was not contradicting any Scripture?

In addition, I find it bizarre that you fail to recognize the Church as an authority, but recognize the Bible. Who do you think approved the Canon in the first place? If the Church (Orthodox) lacks authority, do does the Bible.

Marx got one thing right. He had your number.

Alexiev wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 10:28 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 7:12 pm

Alexiev wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 6:43 pm I quote the Bible about killing witches...

You quote instructions to Israel as if they were instructions to Christians. But you find no such injunction directed to Christians, just as you find no duty for Christians to execute murderers, not to mix clothing-fibres, to cross the Jordan, or to circumcise their babies.

If you were aware of context, it would certainly prevent you from making more embarassing mistakes, perhaps. Perhaps. We can see.

But you did have something right, and didn't want to check it out: Marx was quite Satanic, just as you predicted. And his own words provide abundant evidence of that -- were you not apparently afraid even to hear them read to you.

Your sources are not trustworthy.

Well, the "source" they are quoting is Marx himself, verbatim. So if you don't trust Marx's word about what Marx believed...I don't know who you're going to find to trust about it at all.

I find it bizarre that you fail to recognize the Church as an authority, but recognize the Bible.

You really shouldn't. It's typical of every Protestant. What do you think they "protest"? They protest the imposition of arbitrary, anti-Scriptural clerical authoritarianism.

You're really badly underinformed, I have to say...about theology, about Marx...really, about everything we're talking about. That's curable, but not if you're not interested in the truth. Maybe you should watch that video after all...unless you're terrified you'll find out you were wrong all along.

And that's a real possibility.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 10:41 pm

Well, the "source" they are quoting is Marx himself, verbatim. So if you don't trust Marx's word about what Marx believed...I don't know who you're going to find to trust about it at all.

I find it bizarre that you fail to recognize the Church as an authority, but recognize the Bible.

You really shouldn't. It's typical of every Protestant. What do you think they "protest"? They protest the imposition of arbitrary, anti-Scriptural clerical authoritarianism.

You're really badly underinformed, I have to say...about theology, about Marx...really, about everything we're talking about. That's curable, but not if you're not interested in the truth. Maybe you should watch that video after all...unless you're terrified you'll find out you were wrong all along.

And that's a real possibility.

And the source I'm quoting is the Bible, from which you pick and choose as you like. The Orthodox Church claims the Roman's have added to epistemic Christianity, and the protestants have subtracted from it. Hence, they are the only ones that practice it (as well as giving you your Bible).

Alexiev wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 11:32 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2024 10:41 pm

Well, the "source" they are quoting is Marx himself, verbatim. So if you don't trust Marx's word about what Marx believed...I don't know who you're going to find to trust about it at all.

I find it bizarre that you fail to recognize the Church as an authority, but recognize the Bible.

You really shouldn't. It's typical of every Protestant. What do you think they "protest"? They protest the imposition of arbitrary, anti-Scriptural clerical authoritarianism.

You're really badly underinformed, I have to say...about theology, about Marx...really, about everything we're talking about. That's curable, but not if you're not interested in the truth. Maybe you should watch that video after all...unless you're terrified you'll find out you were wrong all along.

And that's a real possibility.

And the source I'm quoting is the Bible,

Yes: but to know how to quote, without getting the message all mucked up, you have to know the whole context. That's true of all communication, by the way, not merely of the Bible.

from which you pick and choose as you like.

I'm not. I'm interpreting in context. You're trying to interpret with no context at all. This is really basic exegesis, but clearly, you've never even heard about that before.

And trust me; you don't want get into the denominations, not unless you really want to lose your way and be baffled. It's not an easy game for dilettantes and dabblers. Because then, we've got to talk precise theological differences, and it's clear you don't even have the basic knowledge to follow somebody through a discussion like that. You don't even know the difference between the two testaments -- a distinction recognized by every denomination, or the difference between ecclesiastical fiat and Scriptural warrant, which is the point the three denominations you're listing depart over. So how are we going to talk about The Filioque Distinction of the Orthodox-Catholic divide, or the Five Solas of the Catholic-Protestant controversy, when you can't seem even to master basic context yet?

To be fair, you may, one day...if you do some reading. But your questions right now show that that day is manifestly not today. At the moment, I don't think you can even grasp that discussion, because even those most basic distinctions seem to elude you.

But what you could do is at least see what Karl Marx said about Karl Marx...and Satan, since you, yourself raised that issue.

Mannie,

So LJWB gets to shoot...

...or rape or slave or rob or defraud...

...as many people has he has power to(.) And really, nobody has any warrant to say anything about that.

Even so, the amoralists still get their panties in a twist. Like the Yorkshireman: they'll get all a'tizzy over the bad act but always stop short of sayin' why the bad act is bad or why -- if morality is just a matter of personal or collective opinion -- anybody ought give a sparrow's fart for their twisted undies.