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Dontaskme wrote:Is it just me or are you a bit confused AUK?
It's you.
Do we have to qualify just to be ourselves now?
No but if you are going to make authoritative statements about a subject with the aim of denigrating it then I think one ought to at least have the courtesy of experience.
How come we have to qualify to be something when we're already just as we are?
Go back and reread what I said and why.
Would qualifying make us cleverer, ...
Yes.
do we have to be qualified as being clever before we are accepted into the exclusive philosophy club?
No but it'd help as you wouldn't be reinventing the wheel all the time.

Go back and reread what I said and why before your insecurities jump in.
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Dontaskme wrote:None of us know anything. ...
Speak for yourself.
While you were lying in your mothers womb did you know anything? no, you didn't need to know anything to be, you were just pure not-knowing being, and yet beyond that pure being that you are, there is something, not you, that knew how to be you. This is not something known by a someone, you are in essence that not-knowing knowing. Stop putting pressure on people to be something other than they are, it's un-natural. ...
Save your insecurities for your shrink as all I was saying was that before one starts pontificating about what academic philosophy is or is not, with the aim of denigrating it, one should actually have experienced what one is talking about.
Knowledge is just an artificial addendum upon this already not-knowing knowing, it's a mental construct and does not exist in reality. It's what the mind makes-up out of thin air, and is believed to be actual reality, hook line and sinker.
No-one in Philosophy believes knowledge is anything else other than stored and hopefully transferable experience or information.
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Arising_uk wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:05 am
Dontaskme wrote:Is it just me or are you a bit confused AUK?
It's you.
Why does it have to be just me and not you also?

I'm just re-pointing out to you what you said about how we should not be telling others how things should be...Well surprise surprise ..That includes No one can tell us how to be who we are. We can make up our own mind about that, we don't need degrees and PHd's to be who we essentially and effortlessly are.

Sorry you don't seem to understand the cosmic man mentality.

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Dontaskme wrote:Why does it have to be just me and not you also?
You asked?
I'm just re-pointing out to you what you said about how we should not be telling others how things should be...Well surprise surprise ..That includes No one can tell us how to be who we are. We can make up our own mind about that, we don't need degrees and PHd's to be who we essentially and effortlessly are.
Who said we did? You need to go back and reread what I actually said rather than let your insecurities rule you.
Sorry you don't seem to understand the cosmic man mentality.
I look forward to someone demonstrating it one day.
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Arising_uk wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:12 amSave your insecurities
Stop projecting.

I'm showing you something, not telling you something, it's up to you to discern what is true for you....I'm not insecure, what would I be insecure about, who would be insecure..is there someone inside my head, because the last time I looked, I couldn't see my face...I had to look in the mirror for it, but then discovered there was no one in the mirror that I could have direct contact with. It was like how can I get inside that mirror and see that it was indeed really me in there.

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Arising_uk wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:12 amHow many here have an academical background in Philosophy? Not you for a starter.
Why does it matter?

You imply that unless one has a background in philosophy they don't know what they are talking about...so this is like telling people they have no place in it unless they are qualified.

I thought you were an advocate in not believing we should be telling it is how it is... and here you are telling it how it is...

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Dontaskme wrote:Stop projecting. ...
I'm not. You've jumped onto my posts about academic philosophy and have shown that you have not read what I said nor why I said it and have projected your insecurities, or confusion if you prefer, onto them.
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Arising_uk wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:29 am
Dontaskme wrote:Stop projecting. ...
I'm not. You've jumped onto my posts about academic philosophy and have shown that you have not read what I said nor why I said it and have projected your insecurities, or confusion if you prefer, onto them.
And you have shown over on my own thread that you have not read what I said nor why I said it and have projected your insecurities, or confusion if you prefer, onto them...hmmm, what a dilemma eh? :roll:

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I'm not going to waste my energy on responding to all your replies to me because you post in desperation of wanting to be right. I don't do that, I don't care what people think of my posts, I'm only showing them something, they can make their own mind up about the content.

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Dontaskme wrote:Why does it matter?
It doesn't in general but in Nick_A's case it matters because he is saying what academic philosophy is and is not with the aim of denigrating it and promoting his guff. As such I think before one can make such a judgement one should actually know what one is talking about.
You imply that unless one has a background in philosophy they don't know what they are talking about...so this is like telling people they have no place in it unless they are qualified. ...
No, this is your insecurity filtering my words. What I said was that if one is to say how a subject is or isn't then they ought to have experience of it.
I thought you were an advocate in not believing we should be telling it is how it is... and here you are telling it how it is...
No, I'm an advocate of not teaching how it is with respect to Philosophy.
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Dontaskme wrote:And you have shown over on my own thread that you have not read what I said nor why I said it and have projected your insecurities, or confusion if you prefer, onto them...hmmm, what a dilemma eh? :roll:
I read what you say and think I understand why and what you say it, I just don't agree with it.
I'm not going to waste my energy on responding to all your replies to me because you post in desperation of wanting to be right. I don't do that, I don't care what people think of my posts, I'm only showing them something, they can make their own mind up about the content.
Righty Oh. Given that what you say is that what you say is all meaningless and illusory I doubt it'll take that long to make up ones mind about the content.
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Belinda wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:34 pm
If you have not studied the academic discipline called 'philosophy' , and nevertheless call yourself a philosopher you are either a genius or a charlatan.
We're all genius's Belinda, lets not forget this.

I mean just how is anything here at all..? look at us, look at what we are, look at nature, and all the animals, how is that even possible, but it is.

It's frigging genius.

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Did the maker of all this need to read a manual on how to do it...noooo, of course not.

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Nick
Why speak of professional philosophers when you don't know the purpose of philosophy?
This is absolute truth.
Belinda wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:50 pmBecause professionals who have done a lot of hard work are better than lay people at their specialism. Would you employ a professional philosopher to milk your cow, or would you rather employ a professional dairyman?

This is half-baked truth. It makes me cringe to see comments like that these days. I really wish people could understand that the most important thing in life is to be comfortable knowing who you are and what you are capable of and not be made to feel like you have to be someone special to be somebody. The trust has gone out of society. It's gone forever. Now we live in fear of never being good enough.

The reason I've brought this up is because in my younger days...I used to milk cows, and did a very good job of it, I has no experience when I first took on my agricultural role in farming.. I just learnt the skills of farming as I went along. It's the same with parenting, no one is handed a manual on how to be a parent, you just have to muddle through the best you can do and hope you are doing it right. You'd think we'd have to have some special knowledge on the subject of raising kids given how much importance is put on what being a successful human represents. But no, no one thinks about that do they, it's just here we are, we have no experience on how to raise a child, and no one says you must have experience and special qualified knowledge on how to do it...we're just left to do it, often single handed when the other half decides to cop out of the whole responsibility.

My husband abandoned me and my 4 kids because he said it was not enough for him and that he wanted to challenge himself further, he some years later qualified as a fully professional osteopath..and in those years where he studied so very hard, he never once paid any child maintenance or wanted any contact with his children ever again. The child support agency could not find him either, he made sure he stayed well out of reach. Now, the question is, does that make him a professional just because he's an osteopath? ... would I trust a person like that?

I understand that today in modern society the dairy industry would not allow any tom, dick or harry to milk their cows.

What you are implying here ..is that you might just as well have said unless you are a professional philosopher and have earned a PHd in the subject to qualify you as such...then you are so totally misplaced and have no business to be participating in any discussion on this Philosophy Now Forum

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Arising_uk wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:05 amNo but if you are going to make authoritative statements about a subject with the aim of denigrating it then I think one ought to at least have the courtesy of experience.
Who is the real author of knowledge? ..or is your knowledge something you found inside a box of cornflakes?

When you can answer the ''real who'' correctly, Only then will I have great respect for you and your impeccable authoritative stance on being in the supreme position of having that authority in the first place to be judging others on theirs.. :)

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Arising_uk wrote: Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:12 amSave your insecurities for your shrink
What you mean those professional people that get paid tons of money for telling gullible people what they already know but had forgotten. Like selling water by a river?

Don't make me laugh, not heard of being your own shrink? why would any intelligent human being pay for their own knowledge?

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Dontaskme wrote:What you mean those professional people that get paid tons of money for telling gullible people what they already know but had forgotten.
And they'll remember it how?
Like selling water by a river?
And if the river is polluted?
Don't make me laugh, not heard of being your own shrink? why would any intelligent human being pay for their own knowledge?
Because they are depressed or mentally ill.
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Dontaskme wrote:Who is the real author of knowledge? ..or is your knowledge something you found inside a box of cornflakes?
The real author of knowledge is the one who has managed to explain it or write it down so that others can understand it.

What you got against cornflakes?
When you can answer the ''real who'' correctly, Only then will I have great respect for you and your impeccable authoritative stance on being in the supreme position of having that authority in the first place to be judging others on theirs.. :)
Except that I'm not judging others am I? I'm telling someone who is making a judgement that it might be a good idea to have actually experienced what they are judging before doing so.
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