"Project Logic" #1

The Voice of Time · Post by **The Voice of Time** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:57 pm

wleg wrote:Kelly, The Project will pay you to respond to Chaz with an irrefutable argument.

Wayne Leggette Sr.

That's called virtually hiring a wrestler in philosophy, and it's sport in the same way that chess is one, it's not building a logic foundation or work of logic.

wleg · Post by **wleg** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:53 pm

Kelly, Project Logic believes you have constructed an argument that no reasonable person will attempt to refute. The Project will purchase you argument for the sum of thirty dollars ($30).

Wayne Leggette Sr.

duszek · Post by **duszek** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:25 pm

Instead of getting the money ourselves we could donate it to ....

Greenpeace ?

or the Philosophy Now Magazine ?

Rick is a smart man, he would not allow anything fishy happen on his bank account.

Another point:

Quakers would object: such statements are "notional".

chaz wyman · Post by **chaz wyman** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:53 pm

wleg wrote:Kelly, The Project will pay you to respond to Chaz with an irrefutable argument.

Wayne Leggette Sr.

My statement is irrefutable. Where's my cash?

chaz wyman · Post by **chaz wyman** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:55 pm

Kelly wrote:Chaz,

If there is no behavior we can voluntarily engage in without thinking to do it.
And there is nothing about riding a bike we can think about without remembering what a bike is. And no way to recognize a bike from any other thing except we have stored in memory the attributes of a bike. And no way we can engage in the behavior of riding a bike unless we have stored in memory the attributes that equate to the behavior of riding e.g., mounting the bike with our hands on the handlebars and our feet on the peddles, pressing down on the peddles and once we begin moving to balance ourselves by turning the front wheel in the direction we are falling.

And there is no way you can escape from your list of completely circular arguments unless you stop, think and use your brain.

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duszek · Post by **duszek** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:01 pm

Americans are human beings.
Human beings are mortal.
Americans are mortal.

If this is considered irrefutable I donate 10 bucks to Rick Lewis, the owner of this distinguished forum of ours.

Thanks in advace.

chaz wyman · Post by **chaz wyman** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:06 pm

duszek wrote:Americans are human beings.
Human beings are mortal.
Americans are mortal.

If this is considered irrefutable I donate 10 bucks to Rick Lewis, the owner of this distinguished forum of ours.

Thanks in advace.

Would you call a Cadillac American?
Is the statue of Lincoln' memorial American?
Is the Bison American?

duszek · Post by **duszek** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:14 pm

Don´t be notional, Charles.

An American is a citizen of the USA. And you know it.

wleg · Post by **wleg** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:34 pm

........................................................ NOTICE.....................................................................

Project Logic is searching for a “poster child” who demonstrates the debilitating influence on the mental state of those who identify with Philosophy that is not grounded on logical argument. The Project believes it has found the perfect example in chaz wyman.

Chaz, The Project will pay you ten dollars ($10) to be the example to mankind of the dangers to ones’ mental state to think rationally when one identifies with Traditional Philosophy.

State the name of your PayPal account in your next reply, if you agree.

Wayne Leggette Sr.

chaz wyman · Post by **chaz wyman** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:56 am

duszek wrote:Don´t be notional, Charles.

An American is a citizen of the USA. And you know it.

Who's Charles?

chaz wyman · Post by **chaz wyman** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:57 am

wleg wrote:........................................................ NOTICE.....................................................................

Project Logic is searching for a “poster child” who demonstrates the debilitating influence on the mental state of those who identify with Philosophy that is not grounded on logical argument. The Project believes it has found the perfect example in chaz wyman.

Chaz, The Project will pay you ten dollars ($10) to be the example to mankind of the dangers to ones’ mental state to think rationally when one identifies with Traditional Philosophy.

State the name of your PayPal account in your next reply, if you agree.

Wayne Leggette Sr.

I think you should take the money and run - you deserve it!

wleg · Post by **wleg** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:27 am

…………………………………………………….....................................................CHALLENGE...........................................................

Project Logic will pay fifty dollars ($50) to the person who solves the problem that philosophers cherish the most, the problem associated with understanding the nature of consciousness (the Hard Problem).

chaz wyman · Post by **chaz wyman** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:45 am

wleg wrote:…………………………………………………….....................................................CHALLENGE...........................................................

Project Logic will pay fifty dollars ($50) to the person who solves the problem that philosophers cherish the most, the problem associated with understanding the nature of consciousness (the Hard Problem).

Consciousness is the thing we all share. We have no better understanding of anything. Everything else is a pale facsimile.
The problem of consciousness is solved 100% by experiencing it.
As a thing experienced, you know exactly what it is.

Kelly · Post by **Kelly** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:39 pm

This so- called problem exist because philosophers have never understood the nature of knowledge. Consciousness and knowledge are one and the same mental condition. When our mind is exposed, through our senses, to physical things and conditions e.g. heat, cold, wind, color, est., what registers in memory are the attributes that equate to the existence of the physical thing or the condition our mind is being exposed to. How we each react and our ability to describe the experience of this exposure will be different. What is not different, in a philosophical sense, is the consciousness of every person is a construct of the attributes we remember that equate to the existence of things and conditions. There are no hard problems in all of Philosophy. There are hard headed philosophers who have failed to recognize the philosophical understanding of consciousness/knowledge is grounded in understanding the nature of existence of the things and conditions we are conscious of.

The Voice of Time · Post by **The Voice of Time** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:50 pm

Kelly wrote:Consciousness and knowledge are one and the same mental condition.

bullocks.

Knowledge is the finery of memory accumulated in acquainting phenomena. However, phenomena does not have to be conscious phenomena, or even subconscious. Phenomena can be things you don't know that you know and so somebody else has to tell you it and you'll have no idea how you know it, you just know it. Doesn't seem very "conscious" to me, and you can act on such knowledge with out knowing about it. You can do something, completely spontaneously, and have no idea where it came from, the initiative in you to do it, and yet it can be perceived as an intelligent act, people may question if you haven't planned it... how you explain that?

Whatever happened to miss-firing of neurons? Creativity FTW!

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