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SpheresOfBalance wrote:
John wrote:
SpheresOfBalance wrote:If I punch a Makiwara multiple times everyday, does my body not create callous to protect my knuckles? The localized cells sense damage and they add additional cells so as to protect. I say that if I did this, everyday of my life having progeny late in life, and they do the same, etc, etc, etc, etc, eventually they could stop, as I see that eventually a progeny would be born with additional skin cells on it's knuckles.
They would do so because they had similar traits (and cultural imperatives) to you that encourage them to punch a Makiwara every day but they get no credit from your callouses. And their children would have no tougher knuckles than anyone else unless someone with an extra skin layer on their fist somehow managed to gain some reproductive advantage and such a trait was hereditary.

You're not seriously advocating Lamarckism are you?
You see I don't do things that way, I don't learn of something and then either believe in it 100% or pitch it, I see that from 0 to 100% of it can be either correct or incorrect, and that some of it may require revision as it's partially correct. Anyway I'd never heard of the term Lamarckism before, thanks for the tip, but I see that the Baldwin Effect also shows promise, because we are talking about single celled organisms.

You also have to realize that I really don't believe that in our time of modern science we have seen the required amount of time which would allow for such things as I reference to be tested, as I see it taking tens of thousands of years. Of course mine is just theory, but it is somewhat informed. One of my sources is the book titled "The Biology of Belief" by Bruce H. Lipton Ph.D. I see that they could get credit for my callouses, after a prolonged period of time, under the circumstances I've outlined.

Actually we're not talking about callouses anyway, that was just a hypothetical so as to convey an idea, we are talking about sexual as opposed to asexual reproduction, which was initiated a million years ago. As I read the wikipedia articles, that I quoted above, I sense that sexual reproduction was created and is maintained purposefully, by the organism, that's how it reads to me, which fits right along with other indicators, including the book that I referenced.
Your callouses are not passed on to your progeny.
A dog in cold weather will grow extra thick fur. They will not pass this fur on to their progeny.
If you work out everyday and double your body muscle you will not pass this on to your progeny.

The potential to vary the body has been gained through your genes and you will pass on the same potential, but what you do in your life will not have any effect on evolution.

If you do not understand this, then you do not understand the way evolution works.
Yours is a common and tragic misconception.
If you think I am wrong then please demonstrate the mechanism by which you think those changes take place.
In other words how can working out change your genome?
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The Jesus Head wrote:
I'm continually puzzled why a bright young woman like yourself maintains any kind of interests in all this.
its a bit like asking a british person why do you go to the local pub

this is semi-rural texas

people go to church

thats what we do
Exactly my point. It would otherwise seem that you are smart enough to live your own life.Not follow the crowd. I don't go to the pub.
The central theme of her environment is church and she raises a question about
what the bible has to say about homosexuality.
To say that her involvement is a herd instinct is a misplaced
concept.
Also whether you go to the pub or not is completely irrelevant to the girls point

I did not bring that up. But you are wrong. Pubbing in the UK is 'the acceptable endemic environment" , as is her church. "iIn Texas, that's what people do". Thus relevant


which was to emphasize regional custom.
It is also strange that you question what she happens to value as if you
have a rule book of values that everyone should follow.
I have asked here if she has considered a different path. She can do what she likes.

Basically you are saying that debating sexuality and the bible is something a bright person
should not be concerned with.
No. Debating the contents of the bible as if it should guide us is something a bright person should not do.
Any fool can find out what the bible says.

Do you also think that a bright person should not watch Star Trek
or how about stamp collecting ?
Star Trek is great. Stamp collecting also has its charm. But one should not be guided to life one;s life ONLY by what one finds there.

Totally amazing to say the least.
I'm so glad you are so pleased with your idiosyncratic misinterpretation
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SpheresOfBalance wrote:So my argument is that humans are animals that evolved for the reasons mentioned above
John wrote:There are reasons why some traits are passed on but there is no reason to evolution because nothing evolves for a reason. Organisms survive because they evolve, they do not evolve to survive.
SpheresOfBalance wrote:Evolution dictated otherwise
I assume you're using poetic license but as it's one of my personal hobby-horses I'd like to point out that evolution doesn't dictate anything.
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SpheresOfBalance wrote:Obviously I disagree john, those organisms lived millions of years ago, while you may find fossils of their structure there is no such thing as a fossil of their having or not having some sort of primitive consciousness, do not animals including humans run from fire? If I punch a Makiwara multiple times everyday, does my body not create callous to protect my knuckles? The localized cells sense damage and they add additional cells so as to protect. I say that if I did this, everyday of my life having progeny late in life, and they do the same, etc, etc, etc, etc, eventually they could stop, as I see that eventually a progeny would be born with additional skin cells on it's knuckles. Look to the plethora of variations of dogs all coming from wolves as your example. I believe that your belief is mistaken, this is not to say that it's not popular belief.
The genes you are born with are exactly the same as the genes you die with. The activities of your life are not transmitted to your progeny. Individuals do not learn for their genome. Evolution works by either living or dieing, and either passing your genes or not. It has fuck all to do with 'punching a Makiwara" everyday.

QED you do not understand Natural Selection.
YOU ARE INCORRECT AND ONLY SHOW YOU KNOWLEDGE IS BEHIND THE TIMES, YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND EPIGENETICS, I SUGGEST YOU PAY ATTENTION!
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SpheresOfBalance wrote:If I punch a Makiwara multiple times everyday, does my body not create callous to protect my knuckles? The localized cells sense damage and they add additional cells so as to protect. I say that if I did this, everyday of my life having progeny late in life, and they do the same, etc, etc, etc, etc, eventually they could stop, as I see that eventually a progeny would be born with additional skin cells on it's knuckles.
chaz wyman wrote:
SpheresOfBalance wrote:
John wrote:They would do so because they had similar traits (and cultural imperatives) to you that encourage them to punch a Makiwara every day but they get no credit from your callouses. And their children would have no tougher knuckles than anyone else unless someone with an extra skin layer on their fist somehow managed to gain some reproductive advantage and such a trait was hereditary.

You're not seriously advocating Lamarckism are you?
You see I don't do things that way, I don't learn of something and then either believe in it 100% or pitch it, I see that from 0 to 100% of it can be either correct or incorrect, and that some of it may require revision as it's partially correct. Anyway I'd never heard of the term Lamarckism before, thanks for the tip, but I see that the Baldwin Effect also shows promise, because we are talking about single celled organisms.

You also have to realize that I really don't believe that in our time of modern science we have seen the required amount of time which would allow for such things as I reference to be tested, as I see it taking tens of thousands of years. Of course mine is just theory, but it is somewhat informed. One of my sources is the book titled "The Biology of Belief" by Bruce H. Lipton Ph.D. I see that they could get credit for my callouses, after a prolonged period of time, under the circumstances I've outlined.

Actually we're not talking about callouses anyway, that was just a hypothetical so as to convey an idea, we are talking about sexual as opposed to asexual reproduction, which was initiated a million years ago. As I read the wikipedia articles, that I quoted above, I sense that sexual reproduction was created and is maintained purposefully, by the organism, that's how it reads to me, which fits right along with other indicators, including the book that I referenced.
Your callouses are not passed on to your progeny.
A dog in cold weather will grow extra thick fur. They will not pass this fur on to their progeny.
If you work out everyday and double your body muscle you will not pass this on to your progeny.

The potential to vary the body has been gained through your genes and you will pass on the same potential, but what you do in your life will not have any effect on evolution.

If you do not understand this, then you do not understand the way evolution works.
Yours is a common and tragic misconception.
If you think I am wrong then please demonstrate the mechanism by which you think those changes take place.
In other words how can working out change your genome?
I suggest you learn of epigenetics, the baldwin effect and read The Biology of Belief by Bruce H Lipton Ph.D. Oh and I recommend you learn how to read as well.
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chaz wyman wrote:Exactly my point. It would otherwise seem that you are smart enough to live your own life.
Not follow the crowd. I don't go to the pub.
there is nothing inherently good or bad about following or not following the crowd

it would depend on where the crowd is going

whatever ones metaphysical views might be the church is a major center of social life
How about "freethinking"?
hasnt really come up

isnt that something of a very old fashioned word?
hey didnt blink182 do a song about this?
You got me there
yes they did

here are the lyrics

Shit, piss, fuck, ****, cock-sucker, Mother-fucker, tits, fart, turd, and twat.
Shit, piss, fuck, ****, cock-sucker, Mother-fucker, tits, fart, turd, and twat.
Shit, piss, fuck, ****, cock-sucker, Mother-fucker, tits, fart, turd, and twat.
Shit, piss, fuck, ****, cock-sucker, Mother-fucker, tits, fart, turd, and twat.
I fucked your mom I wunna suck my dick, and my boobs too, oh is this thing on?

From: http://www.metrolyrics.com/shit-piss-fu ... k-182.html
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Kayla wrote:
chaz wyman wrote:Exactly my point. It would otherwise seem that you are smart enough to live your own life.
Not follow the crowd. I don't go to the pub.
there is nothing inherently good or bad about following or not following the crowd

it would depend on where the crowd is going

whatever ones metaphysical views might be the church is a major center of social life
How about "freethinking"?
hasnt really come up

isnt that something of a very old fashioned word?
hey didnt blink182 do a song about this?
You got me there
yes they did

here are the lyrics

Shit, piss, fuck, ****, cock-sucker, Mother-fucker, tits, fart, turd, and twat.
Shit, piss, fuck, ****, cock-sucker, Mother-fucker, tits, fart, turd, and twat.
Shit, piss, fuck, ****, cock-sucker, Mother-fucker, tits, fart, turd, and twat.
Shit, piss, fuck, ****, cock-sucker, Mother-fucker, tits, fart, turd, and twat.
I fucked your mom I wunna suck my dick, and my boobs too, oh is this thing on?

From: http://www.metrolyrics.com/shit-piss-fu ... k-182.html
I think that actually comedian George Carlin (RIP) probably inspired Blink 182 as to those lyrics. As long ago he did a skit about, what started out as, I believe is was 7 of the words that one couldn't say on TV, the number of which continued to grow, as I believe he continued to test various words. If you're not familiar with George, I highly recommend any one of his HBO specials, actually on second thought, it's probably better to start with his earlier stuff and work your way up.
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Kayla wrote:
chaz wyman wrote:Exactly my point. It would otherwise seem that you are smart enough to live your own life.
Not follow the crowd. I don't go to the pub.
there is nothing inherently good or bad about following or not following the crowd

I completely disagree.

it would depend on where the crowd is going

whatever ones metaphysical views might be the church is a major center of social life

Baaaaaaaaahhh!
How about "freethinking"?
hasnt really come up

No shit sherlock! groupthink is the antithesis of freethinking.
The point that is - it does not come up in groups - you have to do it for yourself.


isnt that something of a very old fashioned word?

No Church is old fashioned. God, christianity, belief, faith, - they are old fashioned.

hey didnt blink182 do a song about this?
You got me there
yes they did

here are the lyrics

Shit, piss, fuck, ****, cock-sucker, Mother-fucker, tits, fart, turd, and twat.
Shit, piss, fuck, ****, cock-sucker, Mother-fucker, tits, fart, turd, and twat.
Shit, piss, fuck, ****, cock-sucker, Mother-fucker, tits, fart, turd, and twat.
Shit, piss, fuck, ****, cock-sucker, Mother-fucker, tits, fart, turd, and twat.
I fucked your mom I wunna suck my dick, and my boobs too, oh is this thing on?

From: http://www.metrolyrics.com/shit-piss-fu ... k-182.html
How enlightened of you.
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Kayla wrote:... whatever ones metaphysical views might be the church is a major center of social life ...
Over there may be but over here it was pretty much a dead dog. Although unfortunately it appears to be on the move due to having something to whinge, whine and react against, i.e. a vocal and militant Islam who again unfortunately have decided they've had enough of the West interfering with their forms of barbarity. So bodes ill for all I suspect. Still, after the madness thats sure to follow maybe we can well and truly kill off this childishness once and for all.
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Arising_uk wrote: i.e. a vocal and militant Islam who again unfortunately have decided they've had enough of the West interfering with their forms of barbarity.
I might welcome western interference with some militant Islamic acts that I may possibly refuse myself but after I see a real western interference with Israeli imperialism , expansion and colonialism .
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Khalid wrote:
Arising_uk wrote: i.e. a vocal and militant Islam who again unfortunately have decided they've had enough of the West interfering with their forms of barbarity.
I might welcome western interference with some militant Islamic acts that I may possibly refuseyself but after I see a real western interference with Israeli imperialism , expansion and colonialism .
khalid lets say israel decided to pull out completely out of west bank and gaza - giving up control over their borders and airspace as well

would that reduce the number of terrorists attacks on israel

would people crying for destruction of israel entirely stop
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Kayla wrote:
Khalid wrote:
Arising_uk wrote: i.e. a vocal and militant Islam who again unfortunately have decided they've had enough of the West interfering with their forms of barbarity.
I might welcome western interference with some militant Islamic acts that I may possibly refuseyself but after I see a real western interference with Israeli imperialism , expansion and colonialism .
khalid lets say israel decided to pull out completely out of west bank and gaza - giving up control over their borders and airspace as well

would that reduce the number of terrorists attacks on israel

would people crying for destruction of israel entirely stop
Absolutely and logically , If they give a chance for an independent RESPONSIBLE palestinian government to exist then peace will take place . When two governments treat officially and responsibly with each other things will surely be different . In addition Israel has military abilities to scare the shit out of anyone tries to get close to it's borders .
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Khalid wrote:Absolutely and logically , If they give a chance for an independent RESPONSIBLE palestinian government to exist then peace will take place . ...
Who is stopping the Palestinians from having a responsible government? Although I can see that its Muslim Iran with its support of Hezbollah who are having big hand in stopping them in this way. But I'd have thought their current one very independent from the Israelis.
When two governments treat officially and responsibly with each other things will surely be different . In addition Israel has military abilities to scare the shit out of anyone tries to get close to it's borders .
Maybe but it wasn't always this way as I remember when the world sat by and watched as the Arab countries got together to exterminate Israel and at the time most thought they'd do it as they had a much larger force. Shame they didn't have the Israeli generals in command.
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Arising_uk wrote:
Khalid wrote:Absolutely and logically , If they give a chance for an independent RESPONSIBLE palestinian government to exist then peace will take place . ...
Who is stopping the Palestinians from having a responsible government? Although I can see that its Muslim Iran with its support of Hezbollah who are having big hand in stopping them in this way. But I'd have thought their current one very independent from the Israelis.
When two governments treat officially and responsibly with each other things will surely be different . In addition Israel has military abilities to scare the shit out of anyone tries to get close to it's borders .
Maybe but it wasn't always this way as I remember when the world sat by and watched as the Arab countries got together to exterminate Israel and at the time most thought they'd do it as they had a much larger force. Shame they didn't have the Israeli generals in command.
ok ok , you are right with everything you said but just one question , Why are you guys defending Israel this way? I've been attacked with every comment I wrote on this website ? Isn't there anything good about Arabs or Islam have you seen or witnessed ?
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Who's defending Israel?
Do I think the establishment of Israel was sensitive to the ethnic groups in Palestine; no.
Do I think there was the slightest legal justification for the establishment of Israel; no.
Do I think it was a good idea; no.
Do I think the US is using it as a military base in the ME; yes.
Do I think together they form a Judeo-Christian nexus of power to ensure instability in the region; yes.



Would I prefer to let Islam take control and force their religion down everyones throat ; fuck no.

Do I want Khalid and his morons to be in control fuck no.

Do I think that there is a solution that would solve all the problems of the ME; no.

Oh wait - there is one I can think of; four 100 megatonne nuclear devices on Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Meccah and Tehran - that should sort things out.
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Khalid wrote: ok ok , you are right with everything you said but just one question , Why are you guys defending Israel this way? I've been attacked with every comment I wrote on this website ? Isn't there anything good about Arabs or Islam have you seen or witnessed ?
what made you bring up israel in the first place

what did you expect would happen

there are arabs and muslims in my school not a big sample size but even with that i see no reason to believe that they are worse or better than christians or jews or atheists or wiccans
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