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Re: Grown ups are stupid
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:06 am
by SpheresOfBalance
Kayla wrote:speaking of adult stupidity the positive responses to that inbred redneck who shot his daughters laptop are scary
Anyone that uses a gun for anything is scary. But I know what you mean. I don't know the full story but I'm sure the father believed that the laptop was a source of her potential corruption. But if he shot it with a gun, I'd say that's a bit extreme; like insane! Not to say his solution was intelligent, as in this case, it tends to counter what I'm about to say, which is that, I would defend his need to protect his child.
Again I don't think you can accurately state that any particular group of people are 'stupid' across the board, by what ever criteria you use to segregate them, because in that delineation you fail to consider that each individual of that grouping is a member of thousands of other potential groupings and who is to say which grouping or combination thereof is responsible for their seemingly insane thinking/actions. Maybe it's all attributed to the complexity of the dizzying plethora of groupings that we see insanity in thinking/actions, and maybe it's simply ignorance.
One more thing Kayla, I understand your point, really I do. Because as a 54 year old 'kid,' I have seen the same thing. But to be honest with you, I've drawn the line much sooner than you, which may be why you've taken notice. You realize that you have already left the fold, and it's scaring you, because if you are in high school, as far as I'm concerned, you're already an adult, the indicator is the harshness with which you formulated the topic of this thread. Because the purity that I see, that I believe you're referring to, is pre-adolescent/pre-pubescent, and while it's not true in all cases, which are dependent upon the parents (adults) psychological maturity, it's the innocence in which children view the world that lends to their greatness, and the treachery of those so called 'in the know' that would take advantage of that innocence, that you are referring to, and seem to already have lost.
But don't despair Kala, because you now have the opportunity to be one of those psychologically mature adults, as mentioned above, with your dedication and understanding of child psychology and love, that ensures your children are among those that reap the rewards of being innocently pure in wonder, without adult injected complications.
If only all adults could view the world through the rose colored glasses of wonder and innocence that some childhoods afford, then the world would definitely be a better place.
Re: Grown ups are stupid
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:40 pm
by Kayla
chaz wyman wrote:Okay. How often does the vote get taken, and are there any minimum qualifications for the job?
no criminal record and winning the election are pretty much the only minimum qualifications
in practice vast majority of sheriffs used to be sheriffs deputies or police officers
elections are held every four years and almost always the incumbent wins
Re: Grown ups are stupid
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:05 pm
by chaz wyman
Kayla wrote:chaz wyman wrote:Okay. How often does the vote get taken, and are there any minimum qualifications for the job?
no criminal record and winning the election are pretty much the only minimum qualifications
in practice vast majority of sheriffs used to be sheriffs deputies or police officers
elections are held every four years and almost always the incumbent wins
Oh dear. Go go democracy!
Re: Grown ups are stupid
Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:13 am
by lancek4
Kayla wrote:Many grown-ups think that just cause they have made a few extra trips around the sun they are somehow major fonts of wisdom
and they for some reason expect the younger people to partake of this wisdom
unfortunately very few of them have read hume and so do not realize that even if they had some wisdom acquired through experience as they claim - even then it would mean nothing to those with no life experience since even the value of experience cannot be understood except through experience if even then
further many grown-ups are stark raving insane making it obvious to anyone with half a brain - which unfortunately excludes many grown-ups - that the extra trips around the sun provide no extra experience in an of themselves
a little 7 year old girl i frequently babysit - lets call her Clara - is very upset because her best friends parents wont let them see each other any more
the little girl and her friend announced that when they grown up they are going to get married - her best friend is also a girl
Claras parents are very liberal on the subject of same sex marriage to a point where their daughter was not even aware that same sex marriage is an issue at all - of course boys can marry boys and girls can marry girls
but her friends parents are asshole republicans and do not want their daughter getting ideas
obviously they have learned fuck all from all these trips around the sun
on saturday clara asked me why all the grownups except her parents are so stupid i was not sure what to say
well except to point out that not just her parents are non-stupid there is a small minority of grown ups who are not stark raving batshit insane
i am not sure where i am going with this
bleah
I think youngsters are ignorant. And, drawing from a recent discussion with a freind of mine - we used to think that there was a 'normal' or 'sane' group of human beings, and that these constitute the objective group called 'healthy', a group that those with 'issues' are trying to be a part of. Now we, my friend and I, are realizing, individually, but together now since we both had been pondering this phenomenon and have discussed it, that adults are all insane, eveyone is fucked up in their own special way.
So I think your young freind better get used to it, however sad it is. And, you know what, if you just do what you do, things tend to work out. And if they don't, well, I'd have to question whether that person was doing what they do or trying to do what others do.
Re: Grown ups are stupid
Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:28 pm
by chaz wyman
lancek4 wrote:Kayla wrote:Many grown-ups think that just cause they have made a few extra trips around the sun they are somehow major fonts of wisdom
and they for some reason expect the younger people to partake of this wisdom
unfortunately very few of them have read hume and so do not realize that even if they had some wisdom acquired through experience as they claim - even then it would mean nothing to those with no life experience since even the value of experience cannot be understood except through experience if even then
further many grown-ups are stark raving insane making it obvious to anyone with half a brain - which unfortunately excludes many grown-ups - that the extra trips around the sun provide no extra experience in an of themselves
a little 7 year old girl i frequently babysit - lets call her Clara - is very upset because her best friends parents wont let them see each other any more
the little girl and her friend announced that when they grown up they are going to get married - her best friend is also a girl
Claras parents are very liberal on the subject of same sex marriage to a point where their daughter was not even aware that same sex marriage is an issue at all - of course boys can marry boys and girls can marry girls
but her friends parents are asshole republicans and do not want their daughter getting ideas
obviously they have learned fuck all from all these trips around the sun
on saturday clara asked me why all the grownups except her parents are so stupid i was not sure what to say
well except to point out that not just her parents are non-stupid there is a small minority of grown ups who are not stark raving batshit insane
i am not sure where i am going with this
bleah
I think youngsters are ignorant. And, drawing from a recent discussion with a freind of mine - we used to think that there was a 'normal' or 'sane' group of human beings, and that these constitute the objective group called 'healthy', a group that those with 'issues' are trying to be a part of. Now we, my friend and I, are realizing, individually, but together now since we both had been pondering this phenomenon and have discussed it, that adults are all insane, eveyone is fucked up in their own special way.
So I think your young freind better get used to it, however sad it is. And, you know what, if you just do what you do, things tend to work out. And if they don't, well, I'd have to question whether that person was doing what they do or trying to do what others do.
This reminds me of a poster with an ageing hippy carrying a placard which said.
Don't trust anyone over 25 (crossed our, over 30 (crossed out), over 35, 40,45,50 (all crossed out bar the last one.)
Re: Grown ups are stupid
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:51 am
by Kayla
lancek4 wrote:I think youngsters are ignorant.
generally - in philosophy forums - it is considered appropriate to try to justify your opinions not just to state them
youngsters are in general, less skilled than growups in specific narrow skills - e.g. filling out income tax forms, doing calculus, diesel engine repair, heart surgery
however when it comes to treating others decently or being able to recognize that opposing sex education and abortion at the same time is retarded - adults are no better at it than kids
similarly adults are at least as likely as kids to believe in 'scientific creationism" or that not spanking children leads to crime or have other similarly idiotic opinions
i do not mean to suggest that adults are especially prone to being douchbags
i am in high school so i get to see plenty of douchebags of my own age but my peers are no more likely to be douchebags than are the teachers
Re: Grown ups are stupid
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:54 am
by chaz wyman
Kayla wrote:lancek4 wrote:I think youngsters are ignorant.
generally - in philosophy forums - it is considered appropriate to try to justify your opinions not just to state them
Have you heard of the phrase 'she asked for it"?
This one is easier enough. The youngest people are definitively less experienced, have had less access to knowledge and are therefor , in general, more ignorant, than a person who is older.
youngsters are in general, less skilled than growups in specific narrow skills - e.g. filling out income tax forms, doing calculus, diesel engine repair, heart surgery
And, in general have less knowledge. As being knowledgeable is the converse of being ignorant you make his point for him
however when it comes to treating others decently or being able to recognize that opposing sex education and abortion at the same time is retarded - adults are no better at it than kids
That is not what ignorance means.
similarly adults are at least as likely as kids to believe in 'scientific creationism" or that not spanking children leads to crime or have other similarly idiotic opinions
i do not mean to suggest that adults are especially prone to being douchbags
i am in high school so i get to see plenty of douchebags of my own age but my peers are no more likely to be douchebags than are the teachers
You would say that, as being ignorant, you do not know the difference.
Re: Grown ups are stupid
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:38 am
by Kayla
chaz wyman wrote:
That is not what ignorance means.
ok so what does ignorance mean
believing in scientific creationism or opposing abortion AND sex education seem like pretty much paradigm cases of ignorance
Re: Grown ups are stupid
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:06 am
by chaz wyman
Kayla wrote:chaz wyman wrote:
That is not what ignorance means.
ok so what does ignorance mean
believing in scientific creationism or opposing abortion AND sex education seem like pretty much paradigm cases of ignorance
You are describing beliefs, not ignorance. You are describing Moral opinions.
Ignorance is a lack of knowledge, not a lack of adhering to Kayla's moral stance.
World English Dictionary
ignorance (ˈɪɡnərəns)
— n
lack of knowledge, information, or education; the state of being ignorant
Re: Grown ups are stupid
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:26 pm
by Kayla
chaz wyman wrote:Ignorance is a lack of knowledge, not a lack of adhering to Kayla's moral stance.
someone who believes in 'scientific creationism" or that sex education causes teen pregnancy - or that lack of corporal punishment causes children to become criminals - or that the Bible forbids socialized medicine - lacks knowledge - since those beliefs are manifestly false
my moral stance has nothing to do with it
Re: Grown ups are stupid
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:07 pm
by chaz wyman
Kayla wrote:chaz wyman wrote:Ignorance is a lack of knowledge, not a lack of adhering to Kayla's moral stance.
someone who believes in 'scientific creationism" or that sex education causes teen pregnancy - or that lack of corporal punishment causes children to become criminals - or that the Bible forbids socialized medicine - lacks knowledge - since those beliefs are manifestly false
my moral stance has nothing to do with it
No, you are just plain wrong. We are dealing here with different knowledge sets, and opinions.
The idea that the Bible forbids socialised medicine is a matter of opinion.
The bible can be used to justify killing a woman with stones; attacking a non jewish neighbour; banning all lending; shunning women as polluting when they are on their periods; and many other bizarre things.
What weird things do you use the scripture to justify?
The other interesting thing about this little conversation is that the 'ignorant wankers' (that I agree with you are wrong to demand theses things) ALSO take these 'truths' to be manifestly true.
Why should I accept your view of the bible and not theirs?
Re: Grown ups are stupid
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:05 pm
by Kayla
chaz wyman wrote:Why should I accept your view of the bible and not theirs?
why should you accept my view of evolution and not that of the southern baptist convention
Re: Grown ups are stupid
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:06 pm
by John
Kayla wrote:chaz wyman wrote:Why should I accept your view of the bible and not theirs?
why should you accept my view of evolution and not that of the southern baptist convention
I think it's about being armed with the information but drawing different conclusions versus not actually having the information in the first place.
If you take evolution as an example there are people who understand what is being proposed but they chose not to believe, usually for faith based reasons, so they're not actually ignorant they've just arrived at a different conclusion from an alternative perspective. On the other hand, if you don't really understand what evolutionary theory is claiming then you could be described as ignorant. I would imagine there's a mixture of deniers and the ignorant amongst creationists but there may actually be more of the latter because many aspects of evolutionary theory are widely misunderstood even amongst those who accept it and the creationist movement has polluted the argument with inaccurate propaganda. Denying evolution doesn't automatically make you ignorant though.
Re: Grown ups are stupid
Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:05 am
by chaz wyman
Kayla wrote:chaz wyman wrote:Why should I accept your view of the bible and not theirs?
why should you accept my view of evolution and not that of the southern baptist convention
I don't know what their version of evolution is, nor yours. I am happy with the way it is.
I don't have to accept YOUR version of evolution, I am ignorant of your opinion and the baptist opinion on evolution. I doubt if either your or theirs is the correct one.
I have read more than one book, and take my knowledge from more than one book.
I'm not sure if you or your Baptist friends are interested in more that one book.
Like I said - we are not talking about knowledge or matters of fact.
The issues you are bleating about are moral opinions.
Re: Grown ups are stupid
Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:29 pm
by Kayla
chaz wyman wrote:The issues you are bleating about are moral opinions.
'scientific creationism' being bad science is a moral opinion?
you being an asshole - that is an opinion - although strongly supported by facts
the bible having no references to socialized medicine - that is a matter of manifest fact
similarly evolution being a strongly supported scientific theory - is a not a matter of mere opinion
you are yet another exhibit to support my argument - that making a few extra trips around the sound does not add to one's common sense - ability to think clearly - and basic courtesy