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Posted: **Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:56 pm**

Kayla wrote:well yes i told her that if she wanted my help in kicking his ass after school she got it but she is much gentler than me unfortunately

Violence seems like a fairly common response from you.

Posted: **Sat Dec 03, 2011 5:27 pm**

John wrote:
Kayla wrote:well yes i told her that if she wanted my help in kicking his ass after school she got it but she is much gentler than me unfortunately
Violence seems like a fairly common response from you.

It seems you have a pretty narrow asset of righteousness.

artisticsolution wrote:
Kayla wrote: found out that one boy she was occasionally fucking was referring to her as the cumdumpster when talking to his friends
So your solution to this is morally condemn the girl? In what way is that going to help her? I don't remember Jesus ever morally condemning anyone....no instead he was kind ...he stopped a crowd from stoning a woman by saying, "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."

It is clear to me that the girl has no idea how to get the love she wants...but is that a reason to condemn her? Why not try to help her?

This boy is not a nice person...and you know what? He would even be a dick to someone he married who was a virgin...because that type of behavior toward another human...even if they are promiscuous....shows what type of individual a person is.

I dont remember Jesus ever gave you permission to use his name. For "What would Jesus do?" wont count on this matter.

This is the second time I have to say it in Philosophy now. This time because some guy wants to show his brains. If Jesus would have used your advise, he would never had let himself be crusified, for it would damage the wicked and send em to hell.

Sometimes tough actions are nescescary to show that this is the point we draw the line to avoid future abuse, because if you do nothing then nobody accuses the boys who do wrong, but the girl who believed the lie that she was loved.

That is that such kind of boys use to get girls over. And because these boys are normally sporty well dressed and goodlooking and/or from good families, girls tend to believe such stories.

If the man acts right then the woman will follow and have no sex before marriage.

Posted: **Sat Dec 03, 2011 5:36 pm**

Walgekaaren wrote:
John wrote:
Kayla wrote:well yes i told her that if she wanted my help in kicking his ass after school she got it but she is much gentler than me unfortunately
Violence seems like a fairly common response from you.
It seems you have a pretty narrow asset of righteousness.

What do you mean by "narrow asset"?

Posted: **Sat Dec 03, 2011 5:44 pm**

John wrote: What do you mean by "narrow asset"?

Because you reject any kind of violence, are you even eating meat, coas I suspect you to be a vegetarian. Sometimes it is right to beat the hell out of the guy who did wrong... thats my point.

Posted: **Sat Dec 03, 2011 5:53 pm**

Walgekaaren wrote:
John wrote: What do you mean by "narrow asset"?
Because you reject any kind of violence, are you even eating meat, coas I suspect you to be a vegetarian. Sometimes it is right to beat the hell out of the guy who did wrong... thats my point.

You're inferring things from my statement. I didn't reject "any kind of violence" I merely pointed out that Kayla has a tendency towards violence.

And beating up the guy isn't going to sort out any self esteem issues the girl might have that leads her to behave in a way that she's maybe not happy with.

Posted: **Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:44 pm**

John wrote:And beating up the guy isn't going to sort out any self esteem issues the girl might have that leads her to behave in a way that she's maybe not happy with.

when i was around 11 i realized that i was good at kicking ass it did wonders for my self esteem

Posted: **Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:03 pm**

Kayla wrote:
chaz wyman wrote:Why don't you ask them?
i did

i got the self important sounding incoherent answer that grown ups give when they try to justify something obviously retarded

Which was what??????

What exactly did they say?

Posted: **Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:05 pm**

Kayla wrote:
artisticsolution wrote:So your solution to this is morally condemn the girl?
what she is doing harms herself and to some extent others so it is morally objectionable

REALLY??? you sound as bad as those you criticise!
Maybe you should reflect on your own hypocrisy?

it does not mean i would ever tell her 'you are a stupid immoral slut that is why you are so fucked you whore you are going to hell' that would be retarded.

No, instead you pour out your scorn and moral judgement on the Internet?? But don't have the courage to tell her to her face.

but it may be appropriate to gently point out to her that what she does is hurting herself as well as others providing one can do it in a way that she will listen

How can you criticise others for moral judgement when you think it is okay to do it yourself?

It is clear to me that the girl has no idea how to get the love she wants...but is that a reason to condemn her? Why not try to help her?

Posted: **Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:11 pm**

Walgekaaren wrote: I dont remember Jesus ever gave you permission to use his name. For "What would Jesus do?" wont count on this matter.

WHy did you ask him??
WHo gave YOU permission to tell others what they can and cannot do?

This is the second time I have to say it in Philosophy now. This time because some guy wants to show his brains. If Jesus would have used your advise, he would never had let himself be crusified, for it would damage the wicked and send em to hell.

Well it is nice for you to know the mind of God, but what makes you think that others whom you criticise do not also know the mind of God?

Sometimes tough actions are nescescary to show that this is the point we draw the line to avoid future abuse, because if you do nothing then nobody accuses the boys who do wrong, but the girl who believed the lie that she was loved.

That is that such kind of boys use to get girls over. And because these boys are normally sporty well dressed and goodlooking and/or from good families, girls tend to believe such stories.

If the man acts right then the woman will follow and have no sex before marriage.

Where the hell do you come from??

Posted: **Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:13 pm**

Kayla wrote:
John wrote:And beating up the guy isn't going to sort out any self esteem issues the girl might have that leads her to behave in a way that she's maybe not happy with.
when i was around 11 i realized that i was good at kicking ass it did wonders for my self esteem

Its a shame you did not find something more useful.

Posted: **Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:03 pm**

Kayla wrote:
John wrote:And beating up the guy isn't going to sort out any self esteem issues the girl might have that leads her to behave in a way that she's maybe not happy with.
when i was around 11 i realized that i was good at kicking ass it did wonders for my self esteem

A lot of bullies would no doubt say the same.

Besides, you previously wrote that she had a habit of getting involved with guys who you thought weren't exactly good choices. Would the two of you beating up this one guy change her preferences or would you end up having to beat up the next one and the next and the next?

Posted: **Sun Dec 04, 2011 3:51 am**

W:I dont remember Jesus ever gave you permission to use his name. For "What would Jesus do?" wont count on this matter.

AS:Well, I figure if God provided a book with the name jesus in it, he knew I might be discussing him from time to time...that and it doesn't say anything in the 10 commandments to make me think it is a sin. And since I am the only one who has to pay for my sins, I am going to have to decide what they are from what I have read and not rely on you to tell me.

I think asking "what would jesus do" does count...that is if there is a God. I am not sure there is....it's just that I have a hunch. A hunch is not proof...and I can't lie and say it is...it says so in the 10 commandments.

Actually, I believe that if there is a God...then this life we lead is one big test. I believe he wrote the bible to be ambiguous deliberately, in order to see how we fair. And I also believe that if he exists he gave us the 10 commandments for good reason...and that is to help us know right from wrong when we interpret the bible.

For example...let's take the story about abraham and issac. People are always saying that God wants us to obey...and I too believe that if he exists...he definitely wants us to obey. However, some people think that to obey God means that we should Kill our only son if God tells us to. This is where I part from most. I would tell God, "No, I will not kill my son." I would explain to God that he also told me to obey the 10 commandments and it clearly states that I should not kill.

I kinda feel I have God on a technicality on this issue. LOL But seriously, I will gladly accept my punishment from God if I am wrong. That is how strongly I know I am right about this. I am not afraid to face God.

W: If Jesus would have used your advise, he would never had let himself be crusified, for it would damage the wicked and send em to hell.

AS: I don't know if the people who crucified Jesus went to hell. They might be in heaven. Only God knows. It's not for us to judge.

W:Sometimes tough actions are nescescary to show that this is the point we draw the line to avoid future abuse, because if you do nothing then nobody accuses the boys who do wrong, but the girl who believed the lie that she was loved.

AS: Yes, everyone should do what they think is right. But there is nothing wrong with questioning yourself from time to time. What the girl did was not necessarily wrong. To another boy it could have been right, I know a woman who has grown old with the boy they had sex with from high school. Society called her a slut too. She was in honor classes. They made her quit because she got pregnant out of wedlock. They made her life hell back then. But the boy stayed. He loved her. They are retired now and have 2 children. The boy still loves her.

Society wronged her. They were the evil ones. Personally, I don't think you can go wrong by trying to treat people with kindness and respect as much as possible. I can't see God holding that against you. Can you?

W:That is that such kind of boys use to get girls over. And because these boys are normally sporty well dressed and goodlooking and/or from good families, girls tend to believe such stories.

AS: Girls believe mostly because they are trusting. That is the way it should be. It is a shame that nice part of human nature has to change because of one deceitful person. I say it doesn't have to change....you can still keep the trust AND demand to be treated with kindness.

Posted: **Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:22 am**

chaz wyman wrote:WHy did you ask him??
WHo gave YOU permission to tell others what they can and cannot do?

Well it is nice for you to know the mind of God, but what makes you think that others whom you criticise do not also know the mind of God?

Where the hell do you come from??

I took my part out again, to make my post smaller.

All Christians have the right to ask God, with two or free on the same mind the verdict is clear. So if I am wrong on my asset feel free to point me out.

I am coming from a divorced family, and know what public moccery and hypocrasy works, and how it firstly damages the woman, before ever getting to blame the man. Because of that the girls parents and linage tend to demonise the man, and giving him no chanse to repent. A nice beating between men clears that issue and afterwards all are friends again without damaging the family. That is my ideal, havent seen it working in real world though.

Posted: **Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:40 am**

artisticsolution wrote:W:I dont remember Jesus ever gave you permission to use his name. For "What would Jesus do?" wont count on this matter.

AS:Well, I figure if God provided a book with the name jesus in it, he knew I might be discussing him from time to time...that and it doesn't say anything in the 10 commandments to make me think it is a sin. And since I am the only one who has to pay for my sins, I am going to have to decide what they are from what I have read and not rely on you to tell me.

I think asking "what would jesus do" does count...that is if there is a God. I am not sure there is....it's just that I have a hunch. A hunch is not proof...and I can't lie and say it is...it says so in the 10 commandments.

Actually, I believe that if there is a God...then this life we lead is one big test. I believe he wrote the bible to be ambiguous deliberately, in order to see how we fair. And I also believe that if he exists he gave us the 10 commandments for good reason...and that is to help us know right from wrong when we interpret the bible.

For example...let's take the story about abraham and issac. People are always saying that God wants us to obey...and I too believe that if he exists...he definitely wants us to obey. However, some people think that to obey God means that we should Kill our only son if God tells us to. This is where I part from most. I would tell God, "No, I will not kill my son." I would explain to God that he also told me to obey the 10 commandments and it clearly states that I should not kill.

I kinda feel I have God on a technicality on this issue. LOL But seriously, I will gladly accept my punishment from God if I am wrong. That is how strongly I know I am right about this. I am not afraid to face God.

W: If Jesus would have used your advise, he would never had let himself be crusified, for it would damage the wicked and send em to hell.

AS: I don't know if the people who crucified Jesus went to hell. They might be in heaven. Only God knows. It's not for us to judge.

W:Sometimes tough actions are nescescary to show that this is the point we draw the line to avoid future abuse, because if you do nothing then nobody accuses the boys who do wrong, but the girl who believed the lie that she was loved.

AS: Yes, everyone should do what they think is right. But there is nothing wrong with questioning yourself from time to time. What the girl did was not necessarily wrong. To another boy it could have been right, I know a woman who has grown old with the boy they had sex with from high school. Society called her a slut too. She was in honor classes. They made her quit because she got pregnant out of wedlock. They made her life hell back then. But the boy stayed. He loved her. They are retired now and have 2 children. The boy still loves her.

Society wronged her. They were the evil ones. Personally, I don't think you can go wrong by trying to treat people with kindness and respect as much as possible. I can't see God holding that against you. Can you?

W:That is that such kind of boys use to get girls over. And because these boys are normally sporty well dressed and goodlooking and/or from good families, girls tend to believe such stories.

AS: Girls believe mostly because they are trusting. That is the way it should be. It is a shame that nice part of human nature has to change because of one deceitful person. I say it doesn't have to change....you can still keep the trust AND demand to be treated with kindness.

Why dont I allow the frase "What would Jesus do?" Because I remember it from my bibleschool days and outside of it, and always it has a negative ring, to say, you are wrong and I am right, and Jesus is on my side. And Jesus is always against such idioms, for that reason I know what would Jesus do on that matter, but I rather not use this sentence. And if to ask, wether or not to sacrifise your blood, better read Kierkegaard "Fear and Tremble" then lets talk about it again, you have no idea of that matter, and I rather wait till you have made up your mind, by confronting some philosophers who have thought about it. Also again Nietzsche "Thus spoke Zarathustra" and Dostojevski's "Evil spirits" are of good choise on this matter.

I also know such wrongness of society, my parents got me while attendint to highschool and it broke the carieer of my mother, and his parents hated my father for that, and the reason that he only succeeded in passing the evening school and being a worker on a construction yard, then my mothers father was a renowned architect and proud of that. I guess I inherited my enourmous ego from him. They also did got married like you pointed out on your coupple, but it didnt last for long because of the genetic material of the father. After the psyhoterror of doctors my mother had me and my brother, but couldnt have my sister, who was killed by abortion, for he was claimed to be too ill to live in this world. My father started to drink lost his job and soon the marriage followed and was ended. The bad part was, that my father could be himself only with friends and not his wife and children, for my granny and grandpa hated his guts. - Noone told me that, and I sought it out myself in the spiritual world damaging much of my mind by it. That was before I got baptised, thought my grandparents are lutherans they didnt gave me any christian education. It wounds me still, though I have forgiven em all. Especially now then my father is in hospital for sleeping on a construction yard at february and nearly freesing to death. He'll never be able to live a normal healthy life again.

But if the boy and the girl have sex outside of marriage and then marry and live happily ever after, I have no problem with that, for they fruits judge them worthy. But if they divorce then theyr fruits judge em unworthy. That is all I have to say on that matter. Thanks and regards, Wk.

Posted: **Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:19 pm**

W: And if to ask, wether or not to sacrifise your blood, better read Kierkegaard "Fear and Tremble" then lets talk about it again,

AS: Oh but I have read Fear and trembling. All of us have different life experiences, that is for sure. But it is impossible for us to try to control people, even though it may make us feel more secure, in the long run, life will play out like it is supposed to.

We do serious damage to ourselves by jumping on that hamster wheel going round and round trying to create a world where there is no pain. What a futile and foolish attempt! Because just as soon as we've wasted so much time and energy on something that works itself out in the end anyway, we have lost the time we have to simply live.

We cause ourselves so much pain thinking the worst of people and for what? So they will change? They will never change...they are going to have sexual urges...they are going to lie...they are going to cheat....they will do horrible things to each other...why fret over it? get over it. It's just the way it is. Look in the mirror if you want to change someone. Change yourself. You want a life free of pain? Then tell yourself you do not feel pain! Believe that you don't feel pain. Instead, think to yourself, "That person must have his reason..." And then move on in kindness.

Marcus Aurelius said, "Remove the judgement and you have removed the thought, 'I am hurt'. Remove the thought' 'I am hurt' and the hurt itself is removed."

The problem is that most of us don't take the time to condition our mind the same way we would exercise our bodies. We allow junk thoughts to control our minds...instead of pure thoughts. Simply because we are lazy and it's easy to think negative than it is to think positive.

I think you are falling into the trap of herd like behavior where you pick one group to demonize so you can be superior and control that group....and to make matters worse...it's usually the group or person who is weak in some way. It is because you are weak that you only kick a dog when he/she is down. Be different for a change...let's see you try to kick the person who is strong and on his game. You won't...because you know you will be defeated.

Stop being so predictable. Let's hear you speak of the wrong doings of Kierkegaard or Nietzsche or someone you consider higher status than you. Let's hear you speak of your own wrong doings for that matter. Have you ever given thought about that?

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