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Aetixintro wrote:I think indeed that Chernobyl is the worst that has the possibility to happen and that we are now seeing nuclear power plants that has a much more efficient safety/security policy and that the amounts of radioactive material (beyond what is merely present in the reactors) is nicely controlled so that it has little or NO chance to contribute to any meltdown! Thus Geenpeace nuclear power paranoia is thwarted for all future to come!

[Edit, unsp.:] It should also be noted that I have information from a VERY informing Discovery documentary of the Chernobyl accident some time ago. I've also seen other documentaries both before and after, but with higher "emotional" content!

[Edit2, unsp.:] I've added "...(beyond what is...)..." for separating reactive content in direct danger and the reactive content in indirect danger, but possibly contributing to any meltdown.

Cheers!

A few days after Chernobyl clouds bringing rain to North Wales dropped their deadly load and condemned a generation of sheep, their progeny and the livelihood of the farms that depended on them; more than 2000 miles away.
A young man hiking/camping and unwittingly drinking from the Welsh mountain streams gets throat cancer 22 years later - the exact length of time that a dose of radiation is likely to produce a radiogenic tumour.
I cannot prove that the cancer I got was caused by radiation from Chernobyl nor that the increase in cancers we have suffered since 1945 are caused by nuclear testing and the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Police forensic experts have long known that it is possible to identify a body buried before 1945 due to the lack of radioactive Strontium in the bones; every person on earth now has this deadly cargo as the body absorbs it as if it were calcium.

As time goes on we seem to be able to live with more cancer and highly levels of radiation. Yesterday's unacceptable levels are today's baseline. And with each new disaster the level increases again.

All studies show an increase in the incidence in bone and most other cancers.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/US/03/18/nuclear.concerns/


Authorities say there are "miniscule" amounts of radiation reaching California...but they do not pose a threat to the public's health.

Do you believe them? I don't.

Anyway, even if there were tons of radiation, it would be near impossible to evacuate. There is only one feasible highway out of there and that is the 15...it runs east through vegas and has insane traffic on normal days from everyone in L.A. coming to Vegas. I don't think there would be anywhere for all those people to go if the radiation got worse.

Plus...I don't believe that it "just" got there. I have a feeling it "got" there a few days ago and has since traveled to Vegas. Yesterday and today have been the eeriest of days...alot of smog...which is rare for vegas this time of year...esp. when it's cold. Not upset here (well...except for Japan)...just saying, "it is what it is"...but if I am right...I get to say, "I told ya so!"

I just don't trust any of them to tell us the truth...and anyone who does is a serious ass kissing herd following numb nutted ball of radioactive ignorance.

Oh...and not that it means anything...but I tried to call someone I know several times in CA...and my cel phone either won't allow it to go through or it drops the call immediately when they answer.

Don't worry, Fox News has come to he rescue again! Ann Coulter points out that radiation is actually good for you, and that the whole "radiation scare" is a conspiracy by the liberals and the mainstream media to trick us into sending money to Japan when they don't need it. It turns out that radiation poisoning is a myth, and that radiation actually cures cancer! The people in Japan are actually getting free health benefits from the nuclear reactor, and pretending that it's bad just to steal money from hardworking American Republicans. Thank you, Fox News, for setting things straight. Now we can stop worrying about this fake Japan crisis and start worrying about how the liberals are trying to destroy America.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/1 ... 37512.html

Though, and trust me when I said I never thought I would say these words, I actually have to give Bill O'Reilly a little credit, for standing up to her and realizing that this might be taking things too far, even if he was a bit limp-wristed about it. It will be interesting to see how Fox as a whole goes with this angle.

Hi Converge,

Isn't she silly? lol I have been thinking about the miniscule radiation coming our way. Doesn't it stand to reason that the first wave would be smaller since at first it was a smaller release at the plant? I wonder what today's dose will be like when it reaches the US. I wonder what the amount of radiation will be when it become a total meltdown?

I am actually hoping the wind don't change. It would not be fair to have Japan suffer more than it has. Blow it over here, I suppose. We, (the west coast) probably have it coming anyway. I can just hear those radical evangelicals now, "God is punishing all those Gays and prostitutes In Hollywood and Las Vegas!

Here is a pic of that "super" moon from my front porch that is supposedly happening tonight. You can barely see it through the eerie haze.

edit: Opps...sorry...it's supposed to happen tomorrow night. This is the moon tonight.

that's a sad sad moon as, and i hope that you and everyone is ok over there.

Thanks Bondi.

I don't know if this is on the up and up but I thought it was interesting.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-radi ... om-west-la

The larger question is..

Which is more dangerous?

1) Build more nuclear plants.

OR:

2) Build more fossil fuel plants.

One of the two is going to happen for sure.

According to this page:

http://ecopolitology.org/2010/08/26/chi ... isualized/

China is completing a new coal fired plant every few days. Every few days.

What's really overheating the planet is the human mind, and the word "more".

Don't worry Typist, It's coming to a neighborhood near you soon!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/ ... 7639.shtml

Here is what I find interesting about this article:

Tiny amounts of the radioactive isotope cesium-137 were detected at a University of Nevada, Las Vegas laboratory between March 17 and 21, but haven't been reported since then, Hartwell said.

Look at my post above dated March 18th where I say:

Plus...I don't believe that it "just" got there. I have a feeling it "got" there a few days ago and has since traveled to Vegas. Yesterday and today have been the eeriest of days...alot of smog...which is rare for vegas this time of year...esp. when it's cold. Not upset here (well...except for Japan)...just saying, "it is what it is"...but if I am right...I get to say, "I told ya so!"

Wow...am I on the money or what? I tell you I know my body. I could just feel the radiation.

So now my question is....since the levels are so much higher...will they blow over here in higher amounts too? If so....goodby cruel world...LOL.

Seriously though...I do think it's kinda funny that the shit blows directly over my fucking head. It figures!

And now it's traveled to the east coast! Wow! Typist...you better hope it doesn't make a sharp right!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/ ... 2220110327

So far AS there has been no nuclear disaster. Do you agree?

Wootah wrote:So far AS there has been no nuclear disaster. Do you agree?

No...I think this is a nuclear disaster. I thought that was a given. You don't think fuk-us-hima is a disaster? You don't think Chernobyl was a disaster?

artisticsolution wrote:

Wootah wrote:So far AS there has been no nuclear disaster. Do you agree?

No...I think this is a nuclear disaster. I thought that was a given. You don't think fuk-us-hima is a disaster? You don't think Chernobyl was a disaster?

So far fukushima has not been a disaster. I haven't heard of any major radioactive threat from the reactor yet.

Wootah wrote:
So far fukushima has not been a disaster. I haven't heard of any major radioactive threat from the reactor yet.

Really? Perhaps you don't keep abreast of the news.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/29/world ... ss&emc=rss

artisticsolution wrote:

Wootah wrote:
So far fukushima has not been a disaster. I haven't heard of any major radioactive threat from the reactor yet.

Really? Perhaps you don't keep abreast of the news.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/29/world ... ss&emc=rss

The reason the water had radiation measuring 1 Sv/h is because that water was cooling the reactor core. Such levels are normal there.


The radiation levels measured outside the reactor buildings are still inferior to the levels measured in Southern Germany after the Chernobyl accident.