The Philosophy Now Forum

Walker wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2026 9:47 am That was then.
Being converted is in the future, after which it becomes now.

Except this is a pattern REPEATED throughout known history, sacred sites reused/repurposed. Why do you not expect this behavior to continue?

MikeNovack wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2026 2:07 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2026 9:47 am That was then.
Being converted is in the future, after which it becomes now.

Except this is a pattern REPEATED throughout known history, sacred sites reused/repurposed. Why do you not expect this behavior to continue?

we have evolved into the perfect democratic humans

can't you feel the utopia?

-Imp

Impenitent wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2026 3:47 pm

MikeNovack wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2026 2:07 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2026 9:47 am That was then.
Being converted is in the future, after which it becomes now.

Except this is a pattern REPEATED throughout known history, sacred sites reused/repurposed. Why do you not expect this behavior to continue?

we have evolved into the perfect democratic humans

can't you feel the utopia?

-Imp

Nah. Democracy/bad. Utopia/bad. Let's live in the Stone Age instead.

MAKE HUMANITY GREAT AGAIN!!!!

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2026 3:50 pm MAKE HUMANITY GREAT AGAIN!!!!

That's a joke, right? When was it ever?

Humanity was great from 1982 to 1990.

Dubious wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2026 12:41 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2026 3:50 pm MAKE HUMANITY GREAT AGAIN!!!!

That's a joke, right? When was it ever?

I hope I was joking. Of course, maybe returning to the stone age is what some MAGA people think of as making things "great". I don't know. I haven't figured them out yet.

(Whatever it is they call "great", apparently wasn't here before Trump and is here now that Trump is disgracing us all in the White House.)

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2026 1:57 am

Dubious wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2026 12:41 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Oct 09, 2026 3:50 pm MAKE HUMANITY GREAT AGAIN!!!!

That's a joke, right? When was it ever?

I hope I was joking. Of course, maybe returning to the stone age is what some MAGA people think of as making things "great". I don't know. I haven't figured them out yet.

(Whatever it is they call "great", apparently wasn't here before Trump and is here now that Trump is disgracing us all in the White House.)

I haven't figured them out either and probably never will. It's almost impossible to unravel the motives for this kind of anti-rationalism bordering on insanity whether in individuals, as provided on this site, or in masses as within the MAGA group...except that most of them are relgious or fanatically so.

Dubious wrote: ↑Sat Oct 10, 2026 2:13 am It's almost impossible to unravel the motives for this kind of anti-rationalism bordering on insanity...

Well, in France, it is now reported that only 15 of 50 groups involved in the riots are actually student groups. The rest are apparently "adult" groups, primarily labour unions, Socialist-Communist insurrectionists and supporters of Islamism. You can see it in the flags, too: plenty of Communist and Hamas ones in there. Funding seems to be flowing from China especially. The goal seems to be to depict the West as in total chaos...and then to use that depiction as a rationale for increasing political revolt.

These riots, if they were ever about education at all, certainly aren't about that now. There are big actors behind this apparent "anti-rationalism bordering on insanity," and a malign purpose behind the "motives." But it certainly all has a reasoning of sorts behind it.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2026 1:59 pm ....... Funding seems to be flowing from China especially. ..........

Because of personal experience/knowledge I am always skeptical about claims of outside funding. Certainly skeptical about the amounts. Part of that comes from erroneous assumptions about "paid agitators" etc.

MikeNovack wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2026 3:47 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2026 1:59 pm ....... Funding seems to be flowing from China especially. ..........

Because of personal experience/knowledge I am always skeptical about claims of outside funding. Certainly skeptical about the amounts. Part of that comes from erroneous assumptions about "paid agitators" etc.

Be skeptical. We should be. But also, be skeptical of the people who were bound and determined to tell you that the riots were about "education issues," and were being performed spontanteously, and by "students."

The first dead giveaway should maybe have been when they started burning schools and throwing gasoline on teachers. And maybe the people who are holding those Hamas and hammer-and-sickle flags just might have something on their minds, other than getting money into classrooms.

Somebody is behind all this...what their agenda is probably has little to do with French educational funding.

on the other side,
«One Frenchman is a romantic, two Frenchmen are a duel, and three Frenchmen are a revolution.»
1975. Prostitutes' revolt in Lyon

Janoah wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2026 7:36 pm on the other side,
«One Frenchman is a romantic, two Frenchmen are a duel, and three Frenchmen are a revolution.»
1975. Prostitutes' revolt in Lyon

Four Frenchmen are apparently a surrender.

Yes, perhaps now there is also a revolution of prostitutes there, like in Perrault, Little Red Riding Hood woke up and began to give herself with revolutionary fury to the dark wolf in the keffiyeh.
And what about Belgium, Britain, are they there without revolutionary fervor, lazily giving in?

Janoah wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2026 9:20 pm Yes, perhaps now there is also a revolution of prostitutes there, like in Perrault, Little Red Riding Hood woke up and began to give herself with revolutionary fury to the dark wolf in the keffiyeh.
And what about Belgium, Britain, are they there without revolutionary fervor, lazily giving in?

There are now riots in Belgium and Spain, some smaller upheavals in Greece and Italy, and both riots and counter-marches in England, in Scotland and in Ireland. It looks like things are moving toward some sort of more serious and direct clash. But we'll see.