The Bible as Miraculous Secular Instrument

[Walker]

When you only consider extremes, in order to justify your extreme, you are choosing ignorance.

Is the subjective you the arbiter of what is true and what is not true in the Holy Bible?

History is and history does not favor the bible with anything amounting to holy or miraculous. It's the belief in the bible as divinely inspired which is thoroughly subjective and only idiots accept in every detail starting with an Original Mating Couple using the pejorative evolutionism to give it biblical credence.

Because at first there were only two, containing all the life force of humanity in just two forms ... they must have been tremendously powerful.

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Lest Lacewing’s attempts to derail the OP with undescribed visions of the Emerald Beyond designed to boost her own ego succeed, a needed boosting as revealed by the nature of her projections, we should endeavour to shun such feminine disorder and get back on track with the OP:

Pick a miracle.
Translate the divine supernaturalness of that miracle into the supramundane preternatural of Man.

Slow erosion is a Grand Canyon assumption.
Fast erosion is illustrated by what happened after Mt. St. Helens blew her top.
Forty days and forty nights of torrential rain would cause some fast erosion,
On a Grand scale.

Certainly,
If God is no less than man
And man can change the weather ...
Then God can do no less, and more
Maybe even carve a Grand Canyon lickety split.

This brings into question … what form of every critter did Noah take? DNA samples to be divinely reconstituted? Maybe that was one of the many things not explicitly detailed. DNA technology is already becoming mundane but back in the day, the form of an animal would be apprehended by the receiver as corporeal regardless of the transmission, unless God unbound by time made it possible.

[Lacewing]

You are seriously disturbed and delusional. So, whatever you're following or intoxicated with, I'm not interested because it clearly attracts whack-jobs to feed on it... and apparently does you no good.

On the other side of the psychological game of declaring who is and who is not “disturbed and delusional” is a stance, a perspective, that could say the same essential thing to you

Of course. We all see absurdity in different places.

(and really I mean to a wide class of people who are, and here is the key: illiterate and who suffer lack of nourishment on many levels).

If you are attributing this to me, you are truly desperate. I thought you had realized that I don't care about your views and opinions. Which is why I won't bother to read any more of what you've dumped here. If you have anything that is truly interesting to ponder that doesn't require the investment of wading through your convoluted mess, I might respond to that.

[Lacewing]

Is the subjective you the arbiter of what is true and what is not true in the Holy Bible?

You are seriously disturbed and delusional. So, whatever you're following or intoxicated with, I'm not interested because it clearly attracts whack-jobs to feed on it... and apparently does you no good.

The obvious answer to the shunned question is …

No, you are not the objective arbiter of truth in the Holy Bible.

So, you ask whatever distorted questions you want, and then come up with your own answers for it. Impressive!

[Lacewing]

But though illiteracy is not a sin it is certainly a failing. And a gurgling vagina though its ‘music’ may have a certain charm if it is correctly tuned, cannot in any sense nor in any way compete with what has been expressed in Scripture and what it has inspired.

Ah yes... more of Jacobi's mental diarrhea, and you're all over it.

“Divinely inspired” can be, and is, in reference to both the product and the proper motive to move off the couch (other than to be servant of the body).

Is this what it is for you... or are you grasping to somehow insult someone else? Whatever this is, it makes no sense.

[Lacewing]

Because at first there were only two, containing all the life force of humanity in just two forms ... they must have been tremendously powerful.

That's a nice fantasy.

Lest Lacewing’s attempts to derail the OP .../... we should endeavour to shun such feminine disorder and get back on track with the OP

That's hilarious. Shun the feminine disorder!

We certainly don't want to go off topic when Walker is keen to have someone/anyone focus on his madness of the moment.

[Dubious]

Translated from a German essay:

With the rise of National Socialism, Dietrich Bonhoeffer recognized something fundamental about the nature of stupidity: We are defenseless against it. Protests achieve nothing. Facts that contradict personal prejudices simply do not have to be believed. This is the most dangerous characteristic of the stupid person: He is impervious to evidence. You can present him with studies, strictly logical arguments—and none of it will have the slightest effect. The stupid person possesses a cognitive armor that devalues any information that threatens his comfortable certainties. He does not process facts that contradict his beliefs; he simply rejects them. And when mere rejection is not enough, he invents elaborate conspiracies to explain why all the experts are wrong and only he is right. This complete lack of self-criticism turns the stupid person into a social danger. He is not merely mistaken; he leads others into error with unwavering conviction. His absolute certainty is contagious. Less secure people, when they see someone so convinced of his opinions, assume that this conviction must be based on solid knowledge. After all, no one would be so categorical without being certain. Or wrong.

Stupidity thrives precisely because it knows no doubt. The intelligent person hesitates, reflects, and weighs multiple perspectives. The wise person recognizes the complexity of questions and the limitations of their own conclusions. But the fool—they have certainty, absolute, unshakable certainty, impenetrable to any questioning. And in a society that mistakes certainty for competence, this unfounded self-confidence becomes a form of authority. The result is that we live in an era where the most self-assured are frequently the least qualified, where the loudest are the least informed, and where the most categorical are the most mistaken. And society, incapable of distinguishing genuine knowledge from ostentatious ignorance, follows the wrong leaders to the wrong goals.

...a precise description - the highlights being mine - of the general nature of stupidity and how it manfests, which a few here have demonstrated to perfection in almost every post.

[Walker]

With the inability to budge off a secular, subjective agenda, the secular view that the Holy Bible is indeed beyond secular explanation, and in fact does narrate miraculous supernatural events that will forever be beyond the ambitious comprehension of human beans, maybe indeed be the way things are. You may be onto something there, Lacewing.

However, that does refute the OP because such a view does require an incomprehensible God (not to be confused with an uncomprehending God.)

Of course, as with the apprehension of any ol’ miraculous event, Mans’ limited access to the curious and fertile aspects of the one mind will naturally keep turning to and toying with reasonable secular explanations for miracles that cram the unknown into the known ...

... until surrendering with miraculous concepts such as the Big Bang, a miracle which echoes the creation story of the Holy Bible; however with fidelity to a godless narrative leaving God out of the formulation, which in effect declares that without God something just has to come from nothing or else it has been around without cause and without beginning for ever, and perhaps evermore if further stretching logic to assume no beginning implies no ending, all the while ignoring that when everything is a reaction, then the existence of all things is also a reaction ... to God.

[Walker]

...a precise description - the highlights being mine - of the general nature of stupidity and how it manfests, which a few here have demonstrated to perfection in almost every post.

You sound pretty certain about that.

[Walker]

That's hilarious. Shun the feminine disorder!

It's actually part of the Shiva/Shakti view of reality contained within each individual to achieve organized communicable understanding, which is why an imbalance causes folks to say ... I don't need no stinking rules.

[Lacewing]

Because at first there were only two, containing all the life force of humanity in just two forms ... they must have been tremendously powerful.

Do you really believe this?

[Lacewing]

That's hilarious. Shun the feminine disorder!

It's actually part of the Shiva/Shakti view of reality contained within each individual to achieve organized communicable understanding.

Why do you shun it?

[Walker]

Because at first there were only two, containing all the life force of humanity in just two forms ... they must have been tremendously powerful.

Do you really believe this?

It's a preternatural explanation of the miraculous, as an example of the themes that are in line with the OP. Just exploring the intellectual map laid out by the premise of the thread.

[Walker]

That's hilarious. Shun the feminine disorder!

It's actually part of the Shiva/Shakti view of reality contained within each individual to achieve organized communicable understanding.

Why do you shun it?

On the contrary, feminine disorder provides the energy to not only organize your wild detours, but to communicate and get you back on the road to truth, however you appear to have a chronic case of the monofreqency.

[Dubious]

...a precise description - the highlights being mine - of the general nature of stupidity and how it manfests, which a few here have demonstrated to perfection in almost every post.

You sound pretty certain about that.

As certain that without oxygen the brain dies and that at least a minimum is required to maintain the brains of the living dead.

[Lacewing]

On the contrary, feminine disorder provides the energy to not only organize your wild detours, but to communicate and get you back on the road to truth, however you appear to have a chronic case of the monofreqency.

You make up things as you go... which don't last very long. For example, you said 'shun feminine disorder' in regard to me, and now you're trying to claim that I wasn't fully that. I AM fully that, and you should be celebrating it!

Some of you men (the three mono-brothers, specifically) are so lacking in consciousness (shiva energy) that you leave it all to shakti to take care of while you sit on the couch getting drunk on nonsense and trying to pleasure your impotent selves. It's a cosmic disgrace.

Thankfully there ARE men here who demonstrate their glorious consciousness... and it is a wonderful sight to behold!