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Re: I don't want to be murdered
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2025 11:31 am
by Walker
So, what about the Youth In Asia?
Re: I don't want to be murdered
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2025 3:31 pm
by MikeNovack
Walker wrote: ↑Wed Nov 19, 2025 10:10 am
A woman does not go to an abortion clinic to starve her defenseless, developing baby to death ... MikeNovack.
I said "considerations LIKE" ==> akin to.
I asked separation of topic because while the anti-abortion crowd thinks ONE thing medically/scientifically "pregnancy" several rather different periods:.
a) Fertilized zygote NOT yet attached (first 7-10 days after fertilization)
b) Then to "quickening" (for historical reasons.
c) Quickening to viability if disconnected.
d) NON-pregnancies, like zygote attached where it should not be (ectopic "pregnancies" etc.
Shall we start with "a"? It is impossible to collect data for proper statistics but probably most zygotes fail to implant. I base that on the anecdotal observation that even if coupes are trying, the average is a few months before she gets pregnant.
Actually, best start before "a" ----agreed? doing something Chemically that prevents the egg from allowing fertilization is contraception, not abortion.
OK, back to "a" and the IUD --- this works by making the uterus unwilling to allow a zygote to implnt. But also any chemical that would have the same effect. Is THAT "abortion", and if so, would you cause THAT sort of thing murder. << is not opening the door of a bunker to allow somebody else in "murder" >>
Re: I don't want to be murdered
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2025 6:04 pm
by accelafine
MikeNovack wrote: ↑Wed Nov 19, 2025 3:31 pm
Walker wrote: ↑Wed Nov 19, 2025 10:10 am
A woman does not go to an abortion clinic to starve her defenseless, developing baby to death ... MikeNovack.
I said "considerations LIKE" ==> akin to.
I asked separation of topic because while the anti-abortion crowd thinks ONE thing medically/scientifically "pregnancy" several rather different periods:.
a) Fertilized zygote NOT yet attached (first 7-10 days after fertilization)
b) Then to "quickening" (for historical reasons.
c) Quickening to viability if disconnected.
d) NON-pregnancies, like zygote attached where it should not be (ectopic "pregnancies" etc.
Shall we start with "a"? It is impossible to collect data for proper statistics but probably most zygotes fail to implant. I base that on the anecdotal observation that even if coupes are trying, the average is a few months before she gets pregnant.
Actually, best start before "a" ----agreed? doing something Chemically that prevents the egg from allowing fertilization is contraception, not abortion.
OK, back to "a" and the IUD --- this works by making the uterus unwilling to allow a zygote to implnt. But also any chemical that would have the same effect. Is THAT "abortion", and if so, would you cause THAT sort of thing murder. << is not opening the door of a bunker to allow somebody else in "murder" >>
You are wasting your time. He's a kristian nut-job who hates women and doesn't give a flying fuck about human zyogotes and embryos, same as every other 'anti-choice for women' hypocrite.
Re: I don't want to be murdered
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2025 5:36 pm
by Walker
accelafine wrote: ↑Wed Nov 19, 2025 6:04 pm
You are wasting your time. He's a kristian nut-job who hates women and doesn't give a flying fuck about human zyogotes and embryos, same as every other 'anti-choice for women' hypocrite.
Ah, that's what stirred the beehive up.
Now I remember. I wrote something about abortion.
Should have known.
When some topics comes up, out come short knives ...
Re: I don't want to be murdered
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2025 5:36 pm
by Walker
Interesting. Thank you for sharing.
*
At the moment of conception, there is the quickening.
A flash of light.
Re: I don't want to be murdered
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2025 6:25 pm
by Impenitent
Walker wrote: ↑Wed Nov 19, 2025 11:31 am
So, what about the Youth In Asia?
the Chinese war machine always needs fodder...
however the the theme song is incorrect, suicide is not painless...
-Imp
Re: I don't want to be murdered
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2025 11:01 pm
by MikeNovack
Impenitent wrote: ↑Thu Nov 20, 2025 6:25 pm
however the the theme song is incorrect, suicide is not painless...
You perhaps meant something like "suicide is not necessarily painless or even usually painless"
But it COULD be, yes? No living people adversely affected left behind and one of the painless methods not experienced different than when normally falling asleep (except no waking)
Re: I don't want to be murdered
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2025 11:41 pm
by Impenitent
MikeNovack wrote: ↑Thu Nov 20, 2025 11:01 pm
Impenitent wrote: ↑Thu Nov 20, 2025 6:25 pm
however the the theme song is incorrect, suicide is not painless...
You perhaps meant something like "suicide is not necessarily painless or even usually painless"
But it COULD be, yes? No living people adversely affected left behind and one of the painless methods not experienced different than when normally falling asleep (except no waking)
I forget that not everyone saw M.A.S.H.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmLq87RU97w
-Imp
Re: I don't want to be murdered
Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2025 4:12 pm
by Walker
MikeNovack wrote: ↑Thu Nov 20, 2025 11:01 pm
Impenitent wrote: ↑Thu Nov 20, 2025 6:25 pm
however the the theme song is incorrect, suicide is not painless...
You perhaps meant something like "suicide is not necessarily painless or even usually painless"
But it COULD be, yes? No living people adversely affected left behind and one of the painless methods not experienced different than when normally falling asleep (except no waking)
It took awhile but I finally understood that last sentence.
Something that is painful need not be painful to everyone.
Something that is painful does need to be painful to at least one.
No one knows what the
suicider feels because of uncertainty about immediate memory. If there is no memory of death after death, is there any pain?
Time of death can be declared for legal purposes, but in a clinical euthanasia situation rather than in an atomic blast, the body dies in stages, with eager organ-harvesters poised at the first stage. Isn't there some organ damage from drug-induced legal killing, or has that been scientifically overcome.
"Situations are my guru."
- Trunga Rinpoche
Re: I don't want to be murdered
Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2025 7:06 pm
by MikeNovack
Walker wrote: ↑Fri Nov 21, 2025 4:12 pm
No one knows what the
suicider feels because of uncertainty about immediate memory. If there is no memory of death after death, is there any pain?
Time of death can be declared for legal purposes, but in a clinical euthanasia situation rather than in an atomic blast, the body dies in stages,.......... Isn't there some organ damage from drug-induced legal killing, or has that been scientifically overcome.
The question was about PAIN.
Memory of death after death ??????? That is ASSUMING something that COULD have memory or feeling after death.
But as for gradual cellular death, why assume PAIN associated with that? Pain is a specific sort of response to stimulus. More than once I have experienced being anesthetized before some medical procedure. Did not feel pain going under. Allowed to wake up (anesthetic stopped) but if not? So why assume pain. At least one person I knew died from (improper*) recreational use of nitrous oxide.
* Not suggesting use, but IF must always arrange so if falling unconscious will automatically be removed from the N2O. Let's leave it at that.
Re: I don't want to be murdered
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2025 8:14 am
by Fairy
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Nov 14, 2025 7:28 pm
If I don't want to be murdered and you don't want to be murdered, is it possible for the two of us to agree that murder is wrong?
Does anyone here think that murder is OK?
I’m assuming you do not want to be sentenced to death either, is that correct? Or you don’t mind being sentenced to death?
Re: I don't want to be murdered
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2025 12:44 pm
by Hudjefa
If you don't like the heat, don't go into the kitchen ~ Nomen Nescio
Re: I don't want to be murdered
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2025 4:06 pm
by promethean75
With proper ventilation systems kitchens don't usually get noticeably hotter than any other rooms. Just sayin.
Re: I don't want to be murdered
Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2025 5:36 pm
by SpheresOfBalance
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Nov 14, 2025 7:28 pm
If I don't want to be murdered and you don't want to be murdered, is it possible for the two of us to agree that murder is wrong?
Of course, you and I can do so.
Does anyone here think that murder is OK?
Not I! It's always a very selfish, deluded or damaged, (either physically or mentally), individual that believes so.
Re: I don't want to be murdered
Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2025 2:20 am
by Phil8659
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Nov 14, 2025 7:28 pm
If I don't want to be murdered and you don't want to be murdered, is it possible for the two of us to agree that murder is wrong?
Does anyone here think that murder is OK?
Not in the least.
Is there anyone, anywhere, who gives a shit about what you or I want?
Look at it this way, we are born to be murdered, one can say that nature assures it.
The normal mode of speech is I do not want to die. But then who does not? We are a life support system, and dying is a little counter productive to that end.
So what the fuck are you posting about? I don't want my Maypo? Are you so stupid that you have nothing of substance to post?