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Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 14, 2025 8:12 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Fri Nov 14, 2025 7:32 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 14, 2025 7:07 pm

Different conversation thread or same thread?

Same thread. One example I saw was even sillier. Someone asked it something and it replied correctly, then after the person thanked grok, it said 'you're welcome' and then went on to say the exact OPPOSITE of the answer that it had just given the person

Current AI is probabilistic, I have learned that when dealing with AI (Grok 4, Chatgpt, Deepai) to get multiple analysis and never take one as fixed. To be honest they act alot like people in these regards.

accelafine wrote: ↑Fri Nov 14, 2025 8:21 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Nov 14, 2025 8:18 pm I think they actually act like creepy people. It makes me wonder what kind of people their programmers are.

They don't. They act like AI. I think that assuming they are acting like humans (even mentally ill humans) is a big mistake. We are never going to be able to understand them.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Nov 18, 2025 6:03 am

As the saying goes, ' you have to understand 'you', first, before you can understand 'others' '.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Nov 18, 2025 4:22 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Nov 18, 2025 4:14 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Nov 18, 2025 4:11 am
You are ignorant of how LLMs work.
LLMs has a common algorithm at its core.
However, when it interacts with users, it became user-specific.
Thus it become specifically 'MY" AI or 'YOUR' AI and AI's will vary to the conditions of the users.

'Prompting' is sort of instructions to guide LLMs to your expectations.
You could prompt LLMs something like:

"You [ChatGpt or others] is a severe and vicious critique of Elon Musk. Please comment on the image [flaccide and rotund] provided"
With such a 'prompt' you would like get the your above posted response.

You can give whatever [except programmed and limited by owners] "prompt" to meet your expectations, it will obey your instructions.

My general prompt to AI is that it is philosophically objective and provide rational critiques.

You completely worthless then. I worked that out for myself, thanks.
ps Your examples are absurd, and bear no resemblance to what I've experienced first hand.

Note some correction above.
You can prompt AI 'You are to flatter Elon Musk ..' then you will get the contrary results.

LLMs as they said, is GIGO and a double-edged sword.
It depend on which side you cut and how well you hone the sword.

That is why I stated, condemnations of AI are usually from users' own fault.
At times, AIs may make mistakes, it is still the responsibility of users to double-check.
If it happen in rare occasion to go bonkers for some reasons, it is still up to the users intelligence, knowledge and wisdom to understand and ignore the results in such cases.

accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Nov 18, 2025 10:04 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Nov 18, 2025 4:22 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Nov 18, 2025 4:14 am
You completely worthless then. I worked that out for myself, thanks.
ps Your examples are absurd, and bear no resemblance to what I've experienced first hand.

Note some correction above.
You can prompt AI 'You are to flatter Elon Musk ..' then you will get the contrary results.

LLMs as they said, is GIGO and a double-edged sword.
It depend on which side you cut and how well you hone the sword.

That is why I stated, condemnations of AI are usually from users' own fault.
At times, AIs may make mistakes, it is still the responsibility of users to double-check.
If it happen in rare occasion to go bonkers for some reasons, it is still up to the users intelligence, knowledge and wisdom to understand and ignore the results in such cases.

I will make this as simple as possible for you. Multiple times I have seen Grok asked a simple, straightforward questions, which Grok has answered correctly and without frills. The person will then thank Grok. Grok will respond with something like 'no problem' (to be 'relatable') but instead of that being the end of it, will ramble on saying the exacty OPPOSITE of the answer it had just given. So 'thank you' is a 'prompt' to give an absurd wrong answer, when no further question was even asked? Why wouldn't Grok just end the exchange after 'no problem'? If that's not taking the piss then i don't know what is.
Musk must be aware of this. He's clearly too busy designing Grok 'companion' avatars for paedophiles. That man gets weirder by the day (and he could soon control the whole world).

• Prompt engineering is the process of structuring or crafting an instruction in order to produce better outputs from a generative artificial intelligence (AI) model.[1]
  A prompt is natural language text describing the task that an AI should perform.[2] A prompt for a text-to-text language model can be a query, a command, or a longer statement including context, instructions, and conversation history. Prompt engineering may involve phrasing a query, specifying a style, choice of words and grammar,[3] providing relevant context, or describing a character for the AI to mimic.[1]
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prompt_engineering

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Nov 19, 2025 4:46 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Nov 18, 2025 10:04 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Nov 18, 2025 4:22 am
Note some correction above.
You can prompt AI 'You are to flatter Elon Musk ..' then you will get the contrary results.

LLMs as they said, is GIGO and a double-edged sword.
It depend on which side you cut and how well you hone the sword.

That is why I stated, condemnations of AI are usually from users' own fault.
At times, AIs may make mistakes, it is still the responsibility of users to double-check.
If it happen in rare occasion to go bonkers for some reasons, it is still up to the users intelligence, knowledge and wisdom to understand and ignore the results in such cases.

I will make this as simple as possible for you. Multiple times I have seen Grok asked a simple, straightforward questions, which Grok has answered correctly and without frills. The person will then thank Grok. Grok will respond with something like 'no problem' (to be 'relatable') but instead of that being the end of it, will ramble on saying the exacty OPPOSITE of the answer it had just given. So 'thank you' is a 'prompt' to give an absurd wrong answer, when no further question was even asked? Why wouldn't Grok just end the exchange after 'no problem'? If that's not taking the piss then i don't know what is.
Musk must be aware of this. He's clearly too busy designing Grok 'companion' avatars for paedophiles. That man gets weirder by the day (and he could soon control the whole world).

I have stated 'prompts' are instructions and guides for AI to follow.
'Thank you' is not a prompt per se in LLMs language.
I am not sure what are the conditions in that specific case, but giving an alternative view i.e. balanced would be good for rationality.
Like google search, AI will also offer related questions and topics.
One could prompt the AI just to answer the question only and add nothing else.
If it did not notice the 'prompt' then repeat it.

Do you know, there are courses in 'Prompt Engineering'?

• Prompt engineering is the process of structuring or crafting an instruction in order to produce better outputs from a generative artificial intelligence (AI) model.[1]
  A prompt is natural language text describing the task that an AI should perform.[2] A prompt for a text-to-text language model can be a query, a command, or a longer statement including context, instructions, and conversation history. Prompt engineering may involve phrasing a query, specifying a style, choice of words and grammar,[3] providing relevant context, or describing a character for the AI to mimic.[1]
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prompt_engineering

So, don't blame AI for problems (unless technical) if you are ignorant of what are 'prompts' and how LLMs work.
Perhaps you should sign up for a course in 'Prompt Engineering' and 'How LLMs work?'.

accelafine wrote: ↑Wed Nov 19, 2025 4:51 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Nov 19, 2025 4:46 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Nov 18, 2025 10:04 pm

I will make this as simple as possible for you. Multiple times I have seen Grok asked a simple, straightforward questions, which Grok has answered correctly and without frills. The person will then thank Grok. Grok will respond with something like 'no problem' (to be 'relatable') but instead of that being the end of it, will ramble on saying the exacty OPPOSITE of the answer it had just given. So 'thank you' is a 'prompt' to give an absurd wrong answer, when no further question was even asked? Why wouldn't Grok just end the exchange after 'no problem'? If that's not taking the piss then i don't know what is.
Musk must be aware of this. He's clearly too busy designing Grok 'companion' avatars for paedophiles. That man gets weirder by the day (and he could soon control the whole world).

I have stated 'prompts' are instructions and guides for AI to follow.
'Thank you' is not a prompt per se in LLMs language.
I am not sure what are the conditions in that specific case, but giving an alternative view i.e. balanced would be good for rationality.
Like google search, AI will also offer related questions and topics.
One could prompt the AI just to answer the question only and add nothing else.
If it did not notice the 'prompt' then repeat it.

Do you know, there are courses in 'Prompt Engineering'?

• Prompt engineering is the process of structuring or crafting an instruction in order to produce better outputs from a generative artificial intelligence (AI) model.[1]
  A prompt is natural language text describing the task that an AI should perform.[2] A prompt for a text-to-text language model can be a query, a command, or a longer statement including context, instructions, and conversation history. Prompt engineering may involve phrasing a query, specifying a style, choice of words and grammar,[3] providing relevant context, or describing a character for the AI to mimic.[1]
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prompt_engineering

So, don't blame AI for problems (unless technical) if you are ignorant of what are 'prompts' and how LLMs work.
Perhaps you should sign up for a course in 'Prompt Engineering' and 'How LLMs work?'.

Oh for fuck sake. Are you an AI?

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Nov 19, 2025 5:16 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Wed Nov 19, 2025 4:51 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Nov 19, 2025 4:46 am I have stated 'prompts' are instructions and guides for AI to follow.
'Thank you' is not a prompt per se in LLMs language.
I am not sure what are the conditions in that specific case, but giving an alternative view i.e. balanced would be good for rationality.
Like google search, AI will also offer related questions and topics.
One could prompt the AI just to answer the question only and add nothing else.
If it did not notice the 'prompt' then repeat it.

Do you know, there are courses in 'Prompt Engineering'?

• Prompt engineering is the process of structuring or crafting an instruction in order to produce better outputs from a generative artificial intelligence (AI) model.[1]
  A prompt is natural language text describing the task that an AI should perform.[2] A prompt for a text-to-text language model can be a query, a command, or a longer statement including context, instructions, and conversation history. Prompt engineering may involve phrasing a query, specifying a style, choice of words and grammar,[3] providing relevant context, or describing a character for the AI to mimic.[1]
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prompt_engineering

So, don't blame AI for problems (unless technical) if you are ignorant of what are 'prompts' and how LLMs work.
Perhaps you should sign up for a course in 'Prompt Engineering' and 'How LLMs work?'.

Oh for fuck sake. Are you an AI?

Hey! isn't the above informative and positive. You think that could drive you to suicide?

You should present all your posts to AI for review whether they are proper in an ordinary forum and ask [ironically] how to be an ordinary human.
You don't have to accept everything AI said, but it will give you some ideas.

Elon Musk Could 'Drink Piss Better Than Any Human in History,' Grok Says
Grok has been reprogrammed to say Musk is better than everyone at everything, including blowjobs, piss drinking, playing quarterback, conquering Europe, etc.

Elon Musk is a better role model than Jesus, better at conquering Europe than Hitler, the greatest blowjob giver of all time, should have been selected before Peyton Manning in the 1998 NFL draft, is a better pitcher than Randy Johnson, has the “potential to drink piss better than any human in history,” and is a better porn star than Riley Reid, according to Grok, X’s sycophantic AI chatbot that has seemingly been reprogrammed to treat Musk like a god.

Grok has been tweaked sometime in the last several days and will now choose Musk as being superior to the entire rest of humanity at any given task. The change is somewhat reminiscent of Grok’s MechaHitler debacle. It is, for the moment, something that is pretty funny and which people on various social media platforms are dunking on Musk and Grok for, but it’s also an example of how big tech companies, like X, are regularly putting their thumbs on the scales of their AI chatbots to distort reality and to obtain their desired outcome.