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Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Nov 12, 2025 8:26 am

seeds wrote: ↑Wed Nov 12, 2025 7:21 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Nov 12, 2025 4:14 am
OK I admit to that omission.

With 'peacefully and patriotically' inclusion his speech, Trump had it covered, he could not be blamed for what happened after that...

Good freakin' grief!!! what was it about the latter part of my earlier post that you cannot seem to understand?

Here it is again...

seeds wrote: Your complete lacking in understanding of the situation is quite obvious to those of us who are actual U.S. citizens,...

...because for two full months after Trump was trounced in the 2020 election, he (as the sitting president of the United States) incessantly incited the flames of anger and discontent in the minds of millions of his MAGA cult morons by telling them over, and over, and over, and over, again, and again, and again, and again, that the election was "rigged" and "stolen" from him (and them).

So, minds were already pre-primed, and the stage was already set for the insurrection to take place, regardless of him making that one little fleeting comment in his speech that day about being peaceful.

For the second time now, the point is that that one (and only) fleeting little remark he made about being peaceful...

(a remark that took up maybe 3 seconds of a speech that went on for an hour and 10 minutes)

...wasn't going to be enough to undo the intense anger he had already stirred-up and instilled in his MAGA cult in the months leading up to the day of the insurrection.

Furthermore, the incitement of his MAGA base didn't simply begin the day he lost the election, no, because according to Google's AI Overview (again, emphasis mine)...

AI Overview wrote: Donald Trump first began stating at his rallies that "the only way we're going to lose this election is if the election is rigged" in August 2020.

Key instances where he made this claim include:

• August 17, 2020: At a rally in Oshkosh, Wisconsin, Trump famously stated, "The only way we're going to lose this election is if the election is rigged, remember that".
  
  August 24, 2020: He repeated this sentiment during his Republican National Convention acceptance speech, saying, "The only way they can take this election away from us is if this is a rigged election".
  
  September 13, 2020: At a rally in Nevada, he claimed, "The Democrats are trying to rig this election because that's the only way they're going to win".

These claims were part of a broader, sustained effort by Trump to cast doubt on the integrity of the 2020 election, primarily by attacking the use of mail-in ballots, which he began doing as early as April 2020.

So then, contrary to your bewildering defense of Trump, what happened at the U.S. Capitol Building on January 6th, 2021 was totally Trump's fault for being such a sore loser and refusing to accept defeat.

Come on now, VA, the longer you stubbornly persist in being so foolishly tunnel-visioned over this issue, then the more you prove why you are prone to being suckered-in to a cult.
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Show me where has Trump statements motivated his followers into actual mass violence?

I would accuse you of trolling me for a laugh, but I realized a long time ago that you have no sense of humor and that you're actually being serious.

Clearly, absolutely nothing of my prior post registered in your "zombified" brain.

Indeed, can there exist a more obvious and brazen example of "projection" than that which is implicit in the ironic title of this thread?

In seeking something to compare your silly question to, just for funzies, I posed a slightly modified version of it to Google...

"...How did Jim Jones convince his followers to commit mass suicide?..."

...to which Google's AI Overview responded with the following (emphasis mine)...

AI Overview wrote: Jim Jones convinced his followers to participate in a mass murder-suicide through years of psychological manipulation, social isolation, and a climate of fear and paranoia.

And that is precisely what Trump has been doing with his followers...

• !. "Psychological Manipulation" - (incessant lying)
  
  2. "Social Isolation" - (by means of his followers only tuning-in to Fox News, Truth Social, and other forms of intensely biased right-wing media)
  
  3. "A Climate of Fear and Paranoia" - (produced via 1. and 2. of this list)

It's becoming pretty obvious, Veritas, that if you had been present on that fateful day in Guyana in the "Jonestown" compound, you'd have taken the poisoned Kool-Aid just like the rest of those brainwashed idiots.
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seeds wrote: ↑Thu Nov 13, 2025 7:31 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Nov 12, 2025 8:26 am

seeds wrote: ↑Wed Nov 12, 2025 7:21 am
Good freakin' grief!!! what was it about the latter part of my earlier post that you cannot seem to understand?

Here it is again...

For the second time now, the point is that that one (and only) fleeting little remark he made about being peaceful...

(a remark that took up maybe 3 seconds of a speech that went on for an hour and 10 minutes)

...wasn't going to be enough to undo the intense anger he had already stirred-up and instilled in his MAGA cult in the months leading up to the day of the insurrection.

Furthermore, the incitement of his MAGA base didn't simply begin the day he lost the election, no, because according to Google's AI Overview (again, emphasis mine)...

So then, contrary to your bewildering defense of Trump, what happened at the U.S. Capitol Building on January 6th, 2021 was totally Trump's fault for being such a sore loser and refusing to accept defeat.

Come on now, VA, the longer you stubbornly persist in being so foolishly tunnel-visioned over this issue, then the more you prove why you are prone to being suckered-in to a cult.
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Show me where has Trump statements motivated his followers into actual mass violence?

I would accuse you of trolling me for a laugh, but I realized a long time ago that you have no sense of humor and that you're actually being serious.

Clearly, absolutely nothing of my prior post registered in your "zombified" brain.

Indeed, can there exist a more obvious and brazen example of "projection" than that which is implicit in the ironic title of this thread?

In seeking something to compare your silly question to, just for funzies, I posed a slightly modified version of it to Google...

"...How did Jim Jones convince his followers to commit mass suicide?..."

...to which Google's AI Overview responded with the following (emphasis mine)...

AI Overview wrote: Jim Jones convinced his followers to participate in a mass murder-suicide through years of psychological manipulation, social isolation, and a climate of fear and paranoia.

And that is precisely what Trump has been doing with his followers...

• !. "Psychological Manipulation" - (incessant lying)
  
  2. "Social Isolation" - (by means of his followers only tuning-in to Fox News, Truth Social, and other forms of intensely biased right-wing media)
  
  3. "A Climate of Fear and Paranoia" - (produced via 1. and 2. of this list)

It's becoming pretty obvious, Veritas, that if you had been present on that fateful day in Guyana in the "Jonestown" compound, you'd have taken the poisoned Kool-Aid just like the rest of those brainwashed idiots.
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Your comparison is so unintelligent.

It is more accurate to compare 'you' to as a follower [to a large degree] of Jim Jones.


I had stated I was once 'zombified' by the left media to hate GW Bush, I have learned it and got immunized against such zombifications.
It is not only Trump, anyone Republican who is President will automatically be demonized, it is radical tribalism rearing its ugly head.
This concept is well researched within psychology:

"Dehumanizing political others: a discursive-material perspective" in ResearchGate (2019) analyzes how this radical othering is discursively structured in political conflicts.
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... erspective

There are many such papers.

So far, you have not countered my views objectively other than blabbering noises.

Revealed: BBC Newsnight also doctored Trump speech:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgKjMJd4EJ0

A Daily T investigation has uncovered another, earlier example of the BBC doctoring footage of Trump’s January 6th speech. Not only that, but it was called out live on air by a Newsnight contributor – and nothing was done.

This comes after the resignation of top BBC officials in the wake of a Telegraph story detailing how a 2024 Panorama documentary spliced footage of the president in a way that suggested he was encouraging violence.

This indicates the lying [being zombified] is systemic within the BBC

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Nov 14, 2025 6:16 am

seeds wrote: ↑Thu Nov 13, 2025 7:31 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Nov 12, 2025 8:26 am
Show me where has Trump statements motivated his followers into actual mass violence?

I would accuse you of trolling me for a laugh, but I realized a long time ago that you have no sense of humor and that you're actually being serious.

Clearly, absolutely nothing of my prior post registered in your "zombified" brain.

Indeed, can there exist a more obvious and brazen example of "projection" than that which is implicit in the ironic title of this thread?

In seeking something to compare your silly question to, just for funzies, I posed a slightly modified version of it to Google...

"...How did Jim Jones convince his followers to commit mass suicide?..."

...to which Google's AI Overview responded with the following (emphasis mine)...

AI Overview wrote: Jim Jones convinced his followers to participate in a mass murder-suicide through years of psychological manipulation, social isolation, and a climate of fear and paranoia.

And that is precisely what Trump has been doing with his followers...

• !. "Psychological Manipulation" - (incessant lying)
  
  2. "Social Isolation" - (by means of his followers only tuning-in to Fox News, Truth Social, and other forms of intensely biased right-wing media)
  
  3. "A Climate of Fear and Paranoia" - (produced via 1. and 2. of this list)

It's becoming pretty obvious, Veritas, that if you had been present on that fateful day in Guyana in the "Jonestown" compound, you'd have taken the poisoned Kool-Aid just like the rest of those brainwashed idiots.
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Your comparison is so unintelligent.

It is more accurate to compare 'you' to as a follower [to a large degree] of Jim Jones.

Bravo, Veritas, what a brilliant and well-thought-out retort. It's almost as good as saying...

"...I know you are, but what am I?..." by Pee-wee Herman.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Nov 14, 2025 6:16 am I had stated I was once 'zombified' by the left media to hate GW Bush, I have learned it and got immunized against such zombifications.

Nah, there's nothing to dislike about a man who lied us into a war with a country (Iraq) that had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks, and that in combination with the war with Afghanistan*, went on for over 20 years and resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women, and children, along with trillions of dollars wasted.

*(All because he purposely ignored the fact that nearly all of the 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia of which he and his daddy [George Sr.] had financial ties with.)

For crying out loud, man, according to Google AI (emphasis mine)...

"...In 1978, George W. Bush co-founded Arbusto Energy, an oil company in Texas, with Salem bin Laden, Osama bin Laden's brother...."

And let's not forget about the Bush's close friend - Bandar bin Sultan, a Saudi prince whom the Bushes fondly nicknamed "Bandar Bush."

The point is that your so-called "zombification" regarding G.W. Bush was thoroughly justified and should still hold true today.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Nov 14, 2025 6:16 am So far, you have not countered my views objectively other than blabbering noises.

You wouldn't recognize (or acknowledge) a valid counter to your views if your life depended on it.

You simply deny, and deny, and deny the value of someone else's counterpoints until they, out of sheer frustration, stop offering them, to which you then declare victory in the debate.

Your tired and ineffectual M.O. is obvious to everyone (and I'm guessing, even to the AI's that you mercilessly torture into agreeing with you).
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seeds wrote: ↑Fri Nov 14, 2025 10:54 pm Nah, there's nothing to dislike about a man who lied us into a war with a country (Iraq) that had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks, and that in combination with the war with Afghanistan*, went on for over 20 years and resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women, and children, along with trillions of dollars wasted.

*(All because he purposely ignored the fact that nearly all of the 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia of which he and his daddy [George Sr.] had financial ties with.)

For crying out loud, man, according to Google AI (emphasis mine)...

"...In 1978, George W. Bush co-founded Arbusto Energy, an oil company in Texas, with Salem bin Laden, Osama bin Laden's brother...."

And let's not forget about the Bush's close friend - Bandar bin Sultan, a Saudi prince whom the Bushes fondly nicknamed "Bandar Bush."

The point is that your so-called "zombification" regarding G.W. Bush was thoroughly justified and should still hold true today.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Nov 14, 2025 6:16 am So far, you have not countered my views objectively other than blabbering noises.

You wouldn't recognize (or acknowledge) a valid counter to your views if your life depended on it.

You simply deny, and deny, and deny the value of someone else's counterpoints until they, out of sheer frustration, stop offering them, to which you then declare victory in the debate.

Your tired and ineffectual M.O. is obvious to everyone (and I'm guessing, even to the AI's that you mercilessly torture into agreeing with you).
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You are seriously infected with the zombie virus that your view are so rabid without balance and objectivity as I was with G.W. Bush, i.e. all negative, condemnation and nothing good.

This is what you are doing with Trump.
You refuse to be objective in appraising Trump [an employee (constitutional) of the government of USA] with an Employee Performance Appraisal but rather continually spout rabid condemnations to get your orgasms.

Point is psychological researches support your rabid behavior in this case. Wake up!

"Tribalism can provide a sense of security, support, and identity, it often becomes a "slow poison" when that inherent loyalty breeds exclusion, division, and a pervasive negativity towards outsiders." [AI]


From Google Search AI:

[AI]Yes, tribalism can make people "blind with negativity" toward those outside their own group by fostering an "us versus them" mentality, in-group favoritism, and an ethical blind spot that disregards objective facts in favor of group loyalty.

How Tribalism Promotes Negativity

"Us vs. Them" Mentality: Tribalism is a strong identification with one's social group (tribe), often accompanied by a perception that people outside the group are potential threats or somehow inferior. This inherent division fuels negative attitudes and animosity.

Cognitive and Emotional Blind Spots: Strong group identity creates a "cognitive defense" mechanism, leading individuals to ignore information that is unfavorable to their group and actively seek out information that portrays their group positively, regardless of objective reality. This can result in a "massive cognitive and emotional blind spot".

Dehumanization and Stereotyping: The tendency to view out-group members as all the same can lead to harmful generalizations and stereotypes, which in extreme cases can result in the dehumanization of others, making mistreatment or violence seem justifiable.

Hypocrisy and Double Standards: A double standard often applies, where misbehavior by in-group members is excused or downplayed, while the same actions by out-group members are judged much more harshly.

Suppression of Dissent: Loyalty to the tribe can discourage critical thinking and open dialogue, as members may feel pressured to conform to the group's views, even when they personally disagree. This creates echo chambers and an environment where alternative ideas are not considered.

Zero-Sum Thinking: In a tribalistic mindset, conflicts are often seen as zero-sum — one group's gain is perceived as the other's loss — which rules out compromise and bargaining essential for collaboration and progress.

While tribalism can provide a sense of security, support, and identity, it often becomes a "slow poison" when that inherent loyalty breeds exclusion, division, and a pervasive negativity towards outsiders. [AI]

Tribalism Is Inherent—and It's Making Us Blind
https://www.thestranger.com/politics/20 ... g-us-blind

Your body and mind is festering with the above infections and wounds. You need to be cured but it is not easy to face the cold-turkey.