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You are going to flap Your wings because You know that there is a regularity of nature by which You can fly.
It doesn't matter what this law of nature is called; You are going to flap Your wings without knowing the name of this law.
In aerodynamics, for example, the Bernoulli equation is used.
These are self-evident things.
But no one answered my question, that's a pity

Janoah wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2026 10:05 pm But no one answered my question, that's a pity

What question are you looking for an answer to?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2026 10:46 pm

Janoah wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2026 10:05 pm But no one answered my question, that's a pity

What question are you looking for an answer to?

My question was, are there any here who agree with the concept of One God as the One Law of Nature?
Are there any here who disagree with this concept, and why?
Apparently, this is the only concept that does not violate law of nature.

Our only hope is you, Gary, try it.

Janoah wrote: ↑Tue May 19, 2026 12:45 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2026 10:46 pm

Janoah wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2026 10:05 pm But no one answered my question, that's a pity

What question are you looking for an answer to?

My question was, are there any here who agree with the concept of One God as the One Law of Nature?
Are there any here who disagree with this concept, and why?
Apparently, this is the only concept that does not violate law of nature.

Our only hope is you, Gary, try it.

How can I either agree or disagree with something pertaining to the unknowable? Would you like me to fake it so we can sit here and speculate how many angels will fit on the head of a pin while Gaza is destroyed? I don't know about you, but the blood is piling up on my hands from all the weapons my government is sending Israel, and it's difficult to do anything other than look for shelter for when God's wrath comes crashing down (if there is a God).

Or heck, maybe God doesn't care. He doesn't seem to care about Earthquakes and tidal waves. Of course, that probably means God won't care if I'm tortured eternally in hell for not worshiping him. Maybe he'll enjoy the entertainment.

Gary, I will not discuss your demagoguery regarding Israel in this Topic, we can discuss it in a separate Topic.

Regarding the unknowable.
Nothing can be known absolutely, but it can be increasingly known.
So you can try to increase.
Behold, scientists understand the law of nature, although they cannot understand it absolutely.

But if you have no concept of God, then You should not use terms that you have no idea about, so as not to be a parrot.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2026 10:46 pm Gaza is destroyed?

Gee...everybody cries for Gaza now. But do we remember how this war started? Do we remember rapes, and babies burned in ovens, and bodies used as car seats? Do we remember people grenaded in bomb shelters, trying to hide? Do we remember the hostages, the terror tunnels, the mosques and schools and hospitals converted into missile sites? Do we remember the fat-cat, billionaire terrorist leaders, camped out in hotels in Qatar while their people were under seige, plotting further ways to make it happen? Do we remember Iran, the nuclear threat, the funding of Lebanese terrorists in the north? Any of that?

Nope. That all went away, somehow.

Not everything Israel does is righteous. But what exactly the the Oct. 7th terrorists expect to happen? What did they WANT to happen? What had they PLANNED to happen? What did they make sure DID happen, and then KEPT happening?

Exactly what happened.

So who is responsible? The aggressors, obviously; the ones who started it, and planned it, and kept it going long after it could and should have ended.

The sins of man are not God's fault, Gary. And there are plenty, plenty of those. Especially in southern Israel today. But make sure you spread the blame around, and some of it lands with those who plotted, stockpiled for, instigated, perpetuated and still capitalize on the Gaza crisis. A little recognition of their responsibility just might be nice.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue May 19, 2026 8:07 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2026 10:46 pm Gaza is destroyed?

Gee...everybody cries for Gaza now.

That's because Israel seems to want a "final solution" to the Gaza issue.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2026 10:20 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue May 19, 2026 8:07 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2026 10:46 pm Gaza is destroyed?

Gee...everybody cries for Gaza now.

That's because Israel seems to want a "final solution" to the Gaza issue.

Hogwash. Israel had given over Gaza to Hamas. Had Hamas stayed there and built a civilization instead of terror tunnels, there would have been no war. Hamas wanted the war. They planned the war. They started the war. They perpetuated the war, as they are still doing now. Israel wanted out of the interminable struggle between the desires of Hamas to have all of the Holy Land "from the river to the sea," and the Israeli right to exist: Hamas was not having it.

Had the Israelis been on a mission of extermination, they would have achieved it by now. It wouldn't be hard at all.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2026 2:01 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2026 10:20 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue May 19, 2026 8:07 pm
Gee...everybody cries for Gaza now.

That's because Israel seems to want a "final solution" to the Gaza issue.

Hogwash. Israel had given over Gaza to Hamas. Had Hamas stayed there and built a civilization instead of terror tunnels, there would have been no war. Hamas wanted the war. They planned the war. They started the war. They perpetuated the war, as they are still doing now. Israel wanted out of the interminable struggle between the desires of Hamas to have all of the Holy Land "from the river to the sea," and the Israeli right to exist: Hamas was not having it.

Had the Israelis been on a mission of extermination, they would have achieved it by now. It wouldn't be hard at all.

It's not genocide, but Netanyahu clearly wants a "final solution" to the whole issue, and it doesn't include Palestine as a truly sovereign state. Netanyahu has made it clear he's absolutely not going to allow an independent Palestinian state there. How is Israel any better than Hamas? If the situation were reversed and it were Hamas winning, they'd be pounding Israel until Israel capitulated, and Israel would be fighting tooth and nail to the bitter end. Hamas would probably be happy to allow Israel to be a Palestinian "territory" too, as long as Hamas ran the overall show. Both camps are hell-bent on the other's destruction.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2026 2:16 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2026 2:01 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2026 10:20 pm

That's because Israel seems to want a "final solution" to the Gaza issue.

Hogwash. Israel had given over Gaza to Hamas. Had Hamas stayed there and built a civilization instead of terror tunnels, there would have been no war. Hamas wanted the war. They planned the war. They started the war. They perpetuated the war, as they are still doing now. Israel wanted out of the interminable struggle between the desires of Hamas to have all of the Holy Land "from the river to the sea," and the Israeli right to exist: Hamas was not having it.

Had the Israelis been on a mission of extermination, they would have achieved it by now. It wouldn't be hard at all.

It's not genocide, but Netanyahu clearly wants a "final solution" to the whole issue, and it doesn't include Palestine as a truly sovereign state.

Well, "final solution," as you cannot fail to know, is an obvious alluding to Hitler's "final solution to the Jewish problem," as he put it. So it's an entirely inapt choice of words. It's an attempted slander.

But as for the Palestinians, and as for their own state, they had it. The Israelis were gone from Gaza. Hamas ruled it. And look what they did with all the aid sent to them to build their new state? Rockets, tunnels and bombs. No interest at all in the welfare of their people, no interest in building a state...just interest in killing Jews.

And that's in keeping with history. The Palestinian authorities have refused every two-state solution the Jews have offered. And they've offered many. But the Palestinians don't want to share. They just want to eradicate all Jews, "from the river to the sea."

So that is a "final solution," indeed. But it's not the Jewish one.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2026 2:47 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2026 2:16 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2026 2:01 am
Hogwash. Israel had given over Gaza to Hamas. Had Hamas stayed there and built a civilization instead of terror tunnels, there would have been no war. Hamas wanted the war. They planned the war. They started the war. They perpetuated the war, as they are still doing now. Israel wanted out of the interminable struggle between the desires of Hamas to have all of the Holy Land "from the river to the sea," and the Israeli right to exist: Hamas was not having it.

Had the Israelis been on a mission of extermination, they would have achieved it by now. It wouldn't be hard at all.

It's not genocide, but Netanyahu clearly wants a "final solution" to the whole issue, and it doesn't include Palestine as a truly sovereign state.

Well, "final solution," as you cannot fail to know, is an obvious alluding to Hitler's "final solution to the Jewish problem," as he put it. So it's an entirely inapt choice of words. It's an attempted slander.

But as for the Palestinians, and as for their own state, they had it. The Israelis were gone from Gaza. Hamas ruled it. And look what they did with all the aid sent to them to build their new state? Rockets, tunnels and bombs. No interest at all in the welfare of their people, no interest in building a state...just interest in killing Jews.

And that's in keeping with history. The Palestinian authorities have refused every two-state solution the Jews have offered. And they've offered many. But the Palestinians don't want to share. They just want to eradicate all Jews, "from the river to the sea."

So that is a "final solution," indeed. But it's not the Jewish one.

Netanyahu could at least put a modicum of effort into a peace process. He's been as much against a two-state solution as Hamas has. He's loving the chaos he's created and the opportunity to bury any possibility of a two-state solution. He campaigned back in the 1990s against the Oslo Accords. He's always been against a two-state solution. Israel originally funded Hamas for no other reason than to prevent the PLO from getting an independent Palestinian state.

The Hamas movement was founded by Palestinian Islamic scholar Ahmed Yassin in 1987 after the outbreak of the First Intifada against the Israeli occupation. It emerged from his 1973 Mujama al-Islamiya Islamic charity affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood.[31] Initially, Hamas was discreetly supported by Israel, as a counter-balance to the secular Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) to prevent the creation of an independent Palestinian state.[32][33] In the 2006 Palestinian legislative election, Hamas secured a majority in the Palestinian Legislative Council by campaigning on promises of a corruption-free government and advocating for resistance as a means to liberate Palestine from Israeli occupation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2026 3:15 am Netanyahu could at least put a modicum of effort into a peace process.

That's not what Hamas was interested in. They don't care about peace, and you can tell, because they took and kept hostages, precisely so that the Jews would HAVE to come after them. Unlike Muslims, Jews do not throw their own out, but try to rescue them. Hamas knew. Hamas used that.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2026 3:18 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2026 3:15 am Netanyahu could at least put a modicum of effort into a peace process.

That's not what Hamas was interested in. They don't care about peace, and you can tell, because they took and kept hostages, precisely so that the Jews would HAVE to come after them. Unlike Muslims, Jews do not throw their own out, but try to rescue them. Hamas knew. Hamas used that.

Because Netanyahu has been an absolute dick. Of course, Hamas doesn't like the Israelis. The PLO could have had all this settled if an Israeli hardliner hadn't assassinated the Prime Minister of Israel just after the Oslo Accords. But you seem to be partial to dicks, so it doesn't surprise me. Like poor Trump. He's so misunderstood!

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2026 3:22 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2026 3:18 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2026 3:15 am Netanyahu could at least put a modicum of effort into a peace process.

That's not what Hamas was interested in. They don't care about peace, and you can tell, because they took and kept hostages, precisely so that the Jews would HAVE to come after them. Unlike Muslims, Jews do not throw their own out, but try to rescue them. Hamas knew. Hamas used that.

Because Netanyahu has been an absolute dick.

So...Hamas is killing teenagers, raping women, putting babies in microwaves, grenading fathers with their children,and taking hostages and refusing to let them go...and somehow, you still come back to Netanyahu?

I'm afraid you and reality have never met.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2026 3:31 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2026 3:22 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2026 3:18 am
That's not what Hamas was interested in. They don't care about peace, and you can tell, because they took and kept hostages, precisely so that the Jews would HAVE to come after them. Unlike Muslims, Jews do not throw their own out, but try to rescue them. Hamas knew. Hamas used that.

Because Netanyahu has been an absolute dick.

So...Hamas is killing teenagers, raping women, putting babies in microwaves, grenading fathers with their children,and taking hostages and refusing to let them go...and somehow, you still come back to Netanyahu?

I'm afraid you and reality have never met.

You're an idiot. Hamas wouldn't even be in power if Israeli hardliners hadn't torpedoed the PLO. And why did they torpedo the PLO? Because they wanted to PREVENT A TWO-STATE SOLUTION.