Israel to allow foreign countries to drop aid into Gaza.

[Age]

We are talking about the air drops, right.

If you are asking in relation to the opening post, then the answer is, 'No'.

The whole intention of the opening post, here, has absolutely nothing at all to do with the air drops themselves.

Why they might be good, necessary.

The ground methods of getting aid to the people of Gaza involves first getting that aid into Gaza, getting the trucks through Israeli border comtrol (or Egyptian) and second, having unloaded the trucks into stockpiles, distributing from there.

There is, at the present time a very large quantity stockpiled inside Gaza that just sits there undistributed. The UN and other aid agencies just won't distribute it. They can't, really. It's not directly because of the Israelis, fear of being fired upon by the Israelis.The Israelis would give the UN and other aid agencies safe (from them) windows. WHY? Israeli self interest.

The problem is that Hamas demands of the UN and other aid agencies that the supplies be turned over to them to control distribution. Not unnatural for a faction claiming being the government of Gaza. If the UN and other aid agencies tried distributing directly, they would be killed by Hamas. << do you now see why even evil Israelis (if you see them that way) would consider it in THEIR interest not to block the UN and other agencies from distributing. They win either way. Get to RIGHTLY claim either 1) Look at Hamas attacking/killing aid workers or 2) Look, the aid supposedly going to the civilian Palestinians is going to Hamas.

Airdropping is dangerous, people will get hurt rushing beneath loads coming down.

If one is stupid enough to rush beneath a load while obviously watching it come down, then it might be better for humanity sake that they end up with the consequences of what happens when 'rushing beneath falling loads'.

But it is getting supplies in over the heads of Hamas (not really over the heads of the Israelis as they have total control of the skies there). The Israelis are cooperating with the airdrops.

Why do the people of one country have total control of the skies of another country?

Who gave them 'that power'?

Imagine if the heading read, 'China to allow foreign countries to drop aid into the United States of America'.

[MikeNovack]

Why do the people of one country have total control of the skies of another country?
Who gave them 'that power'?
Imagine if the heading read, 'China to allow foreign countries to drop aid into the United States of America'.

WHAT "other country"? This is Israel giving permission for certain other countries to airdrop aid into Gaza by flying over Israel (flying to Gaza from the east). For whatever reason, nobody is trying to airdrop into Gaza from the west (coming in over Egypt or the Med). Of course trucks carrying aid can just drive in from Egypt and add their cargo to the stockpiles Distribution once IN Gaza is the problem.

Nobody GAVE Israel control over its skies. Israel controls its airspace because no other nation or alliance of nations willing to pay the price to take it away from them.

I'll repeat, this is a distribution problem. The only distribution Hamas will allow is for it first be given to them, they take what's necessary for themselves, and the give out to the people, demonstrating to the people that they can get supplies to them, seen as benefactors. The Israelis have enough control within Gaza to prevent this. While the Israelis would prefer Hamas not to be supplied, it would be so much to their interest were the aid be given directly to the Palestinian civilians and Hamas forced to take what it needed from them that they probably would pay that price (Hamas getting supplies but now seen as bandits, not benefactors. But Hamas retains enough power in Gaza to prevent this. Can't hold ground against the Israelis but could raid and kill any UN or aid agency folks trying to distribute directly.

This is not "Israel preventing aid distribution" but "Israel preventing aid distribution that would be acceptable to Hamas" AND "Hamas preventing aid distribution that would be acceptable to Israel". Why should we be surprised.They can't even agree on prisoner exchange.

This lack of agreement carries over. We now see many countries calling for a "two state solution". But do we have agreement over "with normal rights and duties of states" or "special exemption from rights and duties". Would need Palestinian acceptance for the first and (if you know the history of similar situations) willingness to pay the price of civil war. For example, the 1922-23 Irish civil war had TEN TIMES the casualties of the fight for independence. Civil wars are VERY costly.

[accelafine]

Exactly. It's Hamas shooting Gazans lining up for food. It's not that hard to verify, and patently obvious to anyone with at least half a functioning brain. Hamas has every motive to do that and Israel has zero. It's Israel that had to escort Gazans from danger zones because Hamas was killing them for trying to leave!
Still, Jew-haters like the ones on here are only going to believe everything their Jew-hating algorithm tells them because that's what makes them happy (and because they are brain-dead).

I know one of those arseholes. They have a Facebook page composed entirely of crap from their Jew-hating algorithm (with sprinklings of other obligatory virtue-signalling wokie crap). Everything is posted without question. 'Photo of sad looking boy with food bowl', accompanied by the caption, 'taken seconds before he was SHOT by the IDF'. For fuck sake. Who was standing there taking the photo? No inkling to question whether the caption might not actually be true. Other posts might show a 'dead' child lying on the ground, apparently 'shot by IDF'.. AGAIN. Child may or may not be dead, but there's certainly no sign of any IDF in the photos. There are photos that are obviously AI generated, plus many fake videos including the infamous one that the BBC had to retract because it turned out to be bullshit from beginning to end. Then there are the random photos of skinny babies who could be any baby from any hospital on earth, but of course they MUST be starving GAZAN babies because that's what the caption says. It's really not that HARD to go one step further and simply ASK a QUESTION. It will change your brain, people.

[Age]

Why do the people of one country have total control of the skies of another country?
Who gave them 'that power'?
Imagine if the heading read, 'China to allow foreign countries to drop aid into the United States of America'.

WHAT "other country"? This is Israel giving permission for certain other countries to airdrop aid into Gaza by flying over Israel (flying to Gaza from the east).

Are you absolutely sure of this?

And, what kind of person would not allow planes to fly over one country to drop 'aid', food and other essentials for life to others, including children and babies, anyway?

For whatever reason, nobody is trying to airdrop into Gaza from the west (coming in over Egypt or the Med).

Are you absolutely sure of this?

And, what would even be a logical reason for foreign countries not to fly over the "mediterranean sea" nor "eqypt" anyway?

Has the 'rest of the world' really had to wait for permission from one country just to drop aid to a group of people in another country?

If yes, then why, exactly?

Of course trucks carrying aid can just drive in from Egypt and add their cargo to the stockpiles Distribution once IN Gaza is the problem.

Why can trucks carrying aid not just drive in from "israel"? After all the aid is to help, and to support the lives, of children and babies, among others. Do the people of "Israel" have some sort of hatred for, and/or vendetta against, the children and babies in that country?

Nobody GAVE Israel control over its skies. Israel controls its airspace because no other nation or alliance of nations willing to pay the price to take it away from them.

So, why then the headline, 'Israel to allow foreign countries to drop aid into Gaza'?

If foreign countries could have been dropping aid into "gaza" all the time anyway?

I'll repeat, this is a distribution problem.

What is a, supposed, so-called 'distribution problem'? (What is the 'this' word, in your sentence, referring to, exactly?)

By the way you appear to have, also, not yet grasp the actual concept of what a 'problem' is, exactly.

Also, and once again, this thread was never intended to be about the air drops themselves, anyway.

This thread was started with the intention of finding out if anyone else could also see the absolute wrongness in the above heading?

If any one would like to talk about the air drops themselves, for example, or some alleged 'distribution problem', within this thread, then that is all well and good, to me. However, I had already informed you of the intention of this thread, after you specifically asked, so now saying and writing the words, 'I'll repeat, ... (this is a distribution problem), especially in reply to me, is very disconcerting to say the least.

The only distribution Hamas will allow is for it first be given to them, they take what's necessary for themselves, and the give out to the people, demonstrating to the people that they can get supplies to them, seen as benefactors.

Please remember if you are reply to or talking with 'me', here, then these issues are not what this thread was intended.

Also, and by the way, I do not ever recall a situation where 'aid' was given out, and there was not some sort of 'issue'. And, let 'us' not forget that within every 'government' deciding how to spend money there is always some 'issue', along the way. People wanting money or aid for their own selves, and a limited few only, first, has always been an 'issue' since greed and selfishness worked its way into human societies.

So, just 'looking at' and talking about "hamas" only, here, without 'looking at' and talking about 'the government' that one 'falls under', is really just showing how "one sided" one's views and perspectives are.

The Israelis have enough control within Gaza to prevent this.

So, you like to see "Israelis" had enough 'control' within "Gaza" over how aid is distributed, but had no control over allowing aid into "gaza" correct?

While the Israelis would prefer Hamas not to be supplied, it would be so much to their interest were the aid be given directly to the Palestinian civilians and Hamas forced to take what it needed from them that they probably would pay that price (Hamas getting supplies but now seen as bandits, not benefactors. But Hamas retains enough power in Gaza to prevent this. Can't hold ground against the Israelis but could raid and kill any UN or aid agency folks trying to distribute directly.

This is not "Israel preventing aid distribution" but "Israel preventing aid distribution that would be acceptable to Hamas" AND "Hamas preventing aid distribution that would be acceptable to Israel". Why should we be surprised.They can't even agree on prisoner exchange.

This lack of agreement carries over. We now see many countries calling for a "two state solution". But do we have agreement over "with normal rights and duties of states" or "special exemption from rights and duties". Would need Palestinian acceptance for the first and (if you know the history of similar situations) willingness to pay the price of civil war. For example, the 1922-23 Irish civil war had TEN TIMES the casualties of the fight for independence. Civil wars are VERY costly.

Are you referring to 'human lives' 'costly' in wars?

If yes, then, to me anyway, any war where one life is harmed, hurt, or killed, then every war is so-called 'costly'.

By the way, do you see any Wrongness in the headline, 'Israel to all foreign countries to drop aid into Gaza'?

[accelafine]

Right on cue

[Age]

Exactly. It's Hamas shooting Gazans lining up for food. It's not that hard to verify, and patently obvious to anyone with at least half a functioning brain. Hamas has every motive to do that and Israel has zero. It's Israel that had to escort Gazans from danger zones because Hamas was killing them for trying to leave!
Still, Jew-haters like the ones on here are only going to believe everything their Jew-hating algorithm tells them because that's what makes them happy (and because they are brain-dead).

Once again 'I' will ask 'you'. 'To you could "hamas", or even the "palestinians" do any thing Right, and, could the "israelis" do any thing Wrong?'

your words so far reveal what your answer would be, but 'we' are yet to see you answer and actually clarify.

I know one of those arseholes. They have a Facebook page composed entirely of crap from their Jew-hating algorithm (with sprinklings of other obligatory virtue-signalling wokie crap).

To you, are there "muslim", "arab", and/or "palstinian" hating people, also?

Everything is posted without question. 'Photo of sad looking boy with food bowl', accompanied by the caption, 'taken seconds before he was SHOT by the IDF'. For fuck sake. Who was standing there taking the photo? No inkling to question whether the caption might not actually be true. Other posts might show a 'dead' child lying on the ground, apparently 'shot by IDF'.. AGAIN. Child may or may not be dead, but there's certainly no sign of any IDF in the photos. There are photos that are obviously AI generated, plus many fake videos including the infamous one that the BBC had to retract because it turned out to be bullshit from beginning to end. Then there are the random photos of skinny babies who could be any baby from any hospital on earth, but of course they MUST be starving GAZAN babies because that's what the caption says. It's really not that HARD to go one step further and simply ASK a QUESTION. It will change your brain, people.

Have you asked the question, 'How many children and babies have been killed by senseless slaughter in "gaza"?'

If you did, and then looked at the actual answer, that, my friend, my change your outlook of things, here.

But, then again, you may well just prefer enjoy being a "jew" only-loving and "arab/muslim/palestinian"-hating person, instead. After all you have not shown once shred of empathy absolutely any one on one-side of 'the fence', here.

you appear to post every thing, here, without question. And, certainly do not answer questions posed to you, here, for clarification. As you will, once again, show and prove so.

[Age]

Right on cue

Imagine having some sort of belief that 'the one' who started a thread would not respond to those who reply, in that thread.

[MikeNovack]

a Has the 'rest of the world' really had to wait for permission from one country just to drop aid to a group of people in another country?

b) If yes, then why, exactly?

c)Why can trucks carrying aid not just drive in from "israel"? .. you mean from Israel?

d) What is a, supposed, so-called 'distribution problem'? (What is the 'this' word, in your sentence, referring to, exactly?)
the words, 'I'll repeat, ... (this is a distribution problem), especially in reply to me, is very disconcerting to say the least.

a) An airplane does NOT just fly over a country without getting permission. For any purpose.
b) So it doesn't just get shot down?

c) Why do you think they can't? Aid trucks are being driven in through Israel. The airdrop is NOT because Israel is blockading aid trucks but because airdrop is direct delivery solving the distribution problem.

d) Because these trucks, coming in from Israel or Egypt, might be unloaded into stockpiles (or the still loaded trailers left). And then it just sits there, undistributed. Note that at this point both Israel and Hamas can prevent distribution by the UN and other agencies if not the way they want it distributed. The Israelis won't allow it to first be given to Hamas to distribute (after keeping what they want of it). Hamas won't allow the aid to be directly distributed, forcing them to confiscate some from the people.

Those stockpiles of aid sitting undistributed are massive. Already INSIDE Gaza. Getting aid IN not the problem.

[accelafine]

The ridiculous AI photos of 'starving Gazans' circulating around social media would be hilarious if people were even slightly less moronic. I just saw one of a pile of 'dead people' who just happened to all have the same face and body. The only difference was the colours of their clothes, and even they were weird colours like bright orange that you don't normally see. For fuck sake.

I suppose Jew-haters like kenny are quite happy to have people starving as long as it's Hamas that's starving them. We know this because he never mentions Hamas.
Clearly whatever Israel is doing to counter the theft is working because the only images of 'starving Gazans' are AI-generated ones or photos pilfered from somewhere else with a compleltely different context.
Kenny must be delighted to know that Gazans are as chubby and healthy as ever.

[accelafine]

Jew-haters like kenny are immune to facts and logic when it comes to Jews. I have no idea why. It's been going on for millennia.

https://x.com/netanyahu/status/1952419555852116093

[accelafine]

Nazi rally in Sydney, Australia. Ozzies are famous for being racist fucks. I don't think this is anything they should be proud of.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TFg6g8qKNlA

[Alexis Jacobi]

Consider the time and the environment we are in: we (i.e. the superpowers) are now in war: 4th and 5th generation warfare.

In this environment, what information you receive, and what impression you have, determines your outlook.

However, what you receive, and the means it comes to you, is intensely mediated by conniving minds.

In fact, you are now uncertain what perspective, whose perspective, can be trusted. And you the subject are (like Accelafine) in a near-constant overwrought state of disturbed emotionality, so much so that you really cannot make what we once thought of as ‘rational assessments’.

But let’s not blame the victim. One desired result of 4th and 5th generation warfare is to create and spread “fog” so that genuine and accurate assessments become difficult, perhaps impossible.

Then, what is left is the irascible subject, in such a state of confusion that whatever “sophistry” projected is received, integrated, believed.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Consider if you are inclined that the realm being fought over — where war is waged — is in the mundus imaginalis : the world of the imaginal. That is, a ‘realm’ between sense-experience and the ideas we have about such experiences.

On one hand ‘empiricism’

On the other ‘rationalism’

But thought (the gamut of perception) contaminated by emotions projected by the subject himself.

But face it: we are not in ‘the world’ we are in a mediated world.

[Flannel Jesus]

Consider the time and the environment we are in: we (i.e. the superpowers) are now in war: 4th and 5th generation warfare.

In this environment, what information you receive, and what impression you have, determines your outlook.

However, what you receive, and the means it comes to you, is intensely mediated by conniving minds.

In fact, you are now uncertain what perspective, whose perspective, can be trusted. And you the subject are (like Accelafine) in a near-constant overwrought state of disturbed emotionality, so much so that you really cannot make what we once thought of as ‘rational assessments’.

But let’s not blame the victim. One desired result of 4th and 5th generation warfare is to create and spread “fog” so that genuine and accurate assessments become difficult, perhaps impossible.

Then, what is left is the irascible subject, in such a state of confusion that whatever “sophistry” projected is received, integrated, believed.

I largely agree with this, but also wonder if you feel certain which side (if any) you support most / least in this conflict. There's a hint in the way you've written this like information can't be trusted - which I get, that's fine - but that YOU'VE managed to see through the bullshit and you know the true truth about this conflict. Maybe I'm reading too much between the lines, but ... do you? Do you feel that you can see through the bullshit? If so, what's the right answer?

[Alexis Jacobi]

It would depend on my “affiliation du jour”. I have many good reasons to ally myself with “the Jewish historical project” (and in all honesty I was once a pretty avid Zionist).

Other times, and there are realists who present me with convincing arguments laden with both rational and emotional charge, I consider that Islam is, among the irrational religions, a more dangerous irrationalism and the nut-jobs must be beaten back.

I could present pretty rational, historically-based and largely rational arguments by some historians that Islam is a true danger to Europe.

But then there is the FACT that Israel’s Zionist project has been universally negative in the region. That it is, truly, a colonial branch (or tentacle) of the Occident.

Once in a Syrian restaurant I mentioned to a man who loved his religion, and his region, that “the Western powers are remodeling the Middle East” in a very off-handed tone, as if it were natural, inevitable, necessary.

I saw him struggle with what I said. One because it is true. But also because it as an act is thoroughly against all notion of sovereignty. It is as if I said “I will remodel you”.

Overall I think the project of Zionism will turn out badly for Jewry. But you see history, and God himself (“”) is the author of Jewish tribulation.

The damndest thing (or one bizarre not-fun fact) is that at the Nova festival where Israeli youth took psychedelics and danced all night stoned, is that it was under the gaze of a giant Buddha statue: exactly what Yahweh punishes Jews for mercilessly! Falling away, idolatry.

And then, like a scene out of a nightmare Wizard of Oz take-off, flocks of armed Islamic monkeys jacked up on amphetamines soared out of “the open-air prison” and mercilessly took their (and God’s) revenge on the terrified youths.