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Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 9:33 am

Maia wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 9:16 am

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 8:22 am
: ) I suspect we don't mean the same one. I mean the one that has already won, the one hiding in plain site. The ruling class. The land owners. The cornerstone of capitalism. Liberalism is failing everywhere as it, they - rightly - can't raise income and purchase taxes (on consumables, including vehicles, and services) on the squeezed middle any more. Despite Trump doing exactly that with tariffs, which, along with the conspiracist feeding frenzy, may well, Ouroboros, doubly bite him in the arse. Until the land is freed (and don't worry, it never will be, not until the next, deferred ice age), cannot be owned, only rented, all back rent paid for a thousand years, there can be no further move to social justice, as capitalism intrinsically cannot deliver it. I see no other enemy within. Only above. All the media are owned by the ruling class you know. All politics, all legislation. So we will continue to have private opulence and public poverty. And fight over table scraps. A Reform government won't be able to stop the boat people either. Without killing them.

The ruling class have been exploiting the hated and despised native English since 1066, and now that they don't need them any more, they're having them replaced. Why on earth would I want to raise a family, for example, knowing that my children will become a minority in their own homeland in just a generation or two?

You're right about Reform. Farage is a liar and a sell-out. At one point, last year, I was even thinking of joining Reform, but I'm very glad I didn't, after the way they treated Rupert Lowe.

I already am in Leicester. Everybody is. You would feel far less threatened if there was public luxury and private sufficiency for all, I suggest. But we'll never know. I sympathise. I have loved ones who feel similarly to you. But I have little sympathy for a bullying multi-millionaire. The ruling class will continue to divide and conquer us, set us against each other nonetheless.

Maia wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 9:45 am

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 9:33 am

Maia wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 9:16 am

The ruling class have been exploiting the hated and despised native English since 1066, and now that they don't need them any more, they're having them replaced. Why on earth would I want to raise a family, for example, knowing that my children will become a minority in their own homeland in just a generation or two?

You're right about Reform. Farage is a liar and a sell-out. At one point, last year, I was even thinking of joining Reform, but I'm very glad I didn't, after the way they treated Rupert Lowe.

I already am in Leicester. Everybody is. You would feel far less threatened if there was public luxury and private sufficiency for all, I suggest. But we'll never know. I sympathise. I have loved ones who feel similarly to you. But I have little sympathy for a bullying multi-millionaire. The ruling class will continue to divide and conquer us, set us against each other nonetheless.

It's not just a case of feeling threatened, I actually have been threatened, more than once. I've considered writing to my MP, but since that's Jess Phillips, I know she wouldn't do anything.

I don't know if you're referring to Rupert Lowe when you say bullying multi-millionaire, but what I do know is that he has been instrumental in bringing the rape gang issue to even greater public awareness. We need more politicians like him, who'll say it how it is. He has also, incidentally, helped promote an organisation called the Women's Safety Initiative.

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 10:18 am

Maia wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 9:45 am

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 9:33 am
I already am in Leicester. Everybody is. You would feel far less threatened if there was public luxury and private sufficiency for all, I suggest. But we'll never know. I sympathise. I have loved ones who feel similarly to you. But I have little sympathy for a bullying multi-millionaire. The ruling class will continue to divide and conquer us, set us against each other nonetheless.

It's not just a case of feeling threatened, I actually have been threatened, more than once. I've considered writing to my MP, but since that's Jess Phillips, I know she wouldn't do anything.

I don't know if you're referring to Rupert Lowe when you say bullying multi-millionaire, but what I do know is that he has been instrumental in bringing the rape gang issue to even greater public awareness. We need more politicians like him, who'll say it how it is. He has also, incidentally, helped promote an organisation called the Women's Safety Initiative.

I'm sorry to hear that, and so should Jess Phillips be, not that she could do anything, being a mere politician. Might I ask have you been threatened, with abuse, violence, for expressing your opinions? For which there is no justification whatsoever, but discretion is the better part of valour. I very rarely stick my neck out, but hope that I would have the courage to stand with the threatened, regardless. I've had to do so a couple of times, and left-right didn't come in to it. And I can think of one failure not to. All in the context of being a volunteer with the dispossessed.

Yes, I meant Lowe. "The biggest issue facing women today is the threat of mass immigration. We are launching the Women’s Safety Initiative". I'm extremely sorry it has come to this, which it will, always has since WW2 and mass immigration, the biggest issue in Western politics. The problem is, it is utterly unstoppable. Due to institutionalized social injustice. Due to our 'betters', the 'quality', turning us in to the 'mobility' (mob). And if we don't take in millions of Nigerians and Indians, our aging, collapsing population will have other things to worry about: who wipes our arse?

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 10:53 am That is disgraceful. You should go to the mosque. With a headscarf of course.

Low birth rate has nothing to do with the destruction of national identity by immigration. All developed nations are experiencing it. South Korea, Japan and soon China. None allow mass immigration. Children are expensive in every way. Cramp our style.

And immigration cannot be stopped in the UK without an armed response at sea. And the ruling class will make sure the political class do as they're told to take in hundreds of thousands of skilled immigrants to keep 'us', i.e. in their wage slave driven money mills, competitive.

Maia wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 11:10 am

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 10:53 am That is disgraceful. You should go to the mosque. With a headscarf of course.

Low birth rate has nothing to do with the destruction of national identity by immigration. All developed nations are experiencing it. South Korea, Japan and soon China. None allow mass immigration. Children are expensive in every way. Cramp our style.

And immigration cannot be stopped in the UK without an armed response at sea. And the ruling class will make sure the political class do as they're told to take in hundreds of thousands of skilled immigrants to keep 'us', i.e. in their wage slave driven money mills, competitive.

If I went to the mosque I would not be wearing anything different to what I normally do.

We need policies to reverse the low birth rate among the native population, such as tax breaks, and even free housing for large families. There are lots of things we could do, to make having children attractive.

Australia managed to halt illegal immigration with some robust policies. We could do the same.

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 12:12 pm

Maia wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 11:10 am

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 10:53 am That is disgraceful. You should go to the mosque. With a headscarf of course.

Low birth rate has nothing to do with the destruction of national identity by immigration. All developed nations are experiencing it. South Korea, Japan and soon China. None allow mass immigration. Children are expensive in every way. Cramp our style.

And immigration cannot be stopped in the UK without an armed response at sea. And the ruling class will make sure the political class do as they're told to take in hundreds of thousands of skilled immigrants to keep 'us', i.e. in their wage slave driven money mills, competitive.

If I went to the mosque I would not be wearing anything different to what I normally do.

We need policies to reverse the low birth rate among the native population, such as tax breaks, and even free housing for large families. There are lots of things we could do, to make having children attractive.

Australia managed to halt illegal immigration with some robust policies. We could do the same.

Maia, if you insist on your rights, you will suffer. Talk to Muslim women. Ask them what you should do. And go to the mosque. As a citizen, a neighbour, a supplicant.

There are no such policies. Nothing can stop the global collapse, except Africa for a while, in birth rate. Free housing is even more radical than I would ever suggest. Even in a true democracy. Nobody will ever vote for that. Or tax breaks. If Labour won't increase family allowances, you think Reform, the next government, will? There is nothing we can do to make having children more attractive.

And there is no comparison whatsoever between Britain and Australia. You can't paddle a rubber boat to Australia. You don't have some of the busiest airways, ferries, railways in the world going to Australia. ID cards will help marginally.

Maia wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 1:44 pm

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 12:12 pm

Maia wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 11:10 am

If I went to the mosque I would not be wearing anything different to what I normally do.

We need policies to reverse the low birth rate among the native population, such as tax breaks, and even free housing for large families. There are lots of things we could do, to make having children attractive.

Australia managed to halt illegal immigration with some robust policies. We could do the same.

Maia, if you insist on your rights, you will suffer. Talk to Muslim women. Ask them what you should do. And go to the mosque. As a citizen, a neighbour, a supplicant.

There are no such policies. Nothing can stop the global collapse, except Africa for a while, in birth rate. Free housing is even more radical than I would ever suggest. Even in a true democracy. Nobody will ever vote for that. Or tax breaks. If Labour won't increase family allowances, you think Reform, the next government, will? There is nothing we can do to make having children more attractive.

And there is no comparison whatsoever between Britain and Australia. You can't paddle a rubber boat to Australia. You don't have some of the busiest airways, ferries, railways in the world going to Australia. ID cards will help marginally.

Well, I'm definitely not going to the mosque as a supplicant. Indeed, I'm not going at all, and had no plans to, since they would obviously not help in any way, and might even report me for a "non-crime hate incident" or whatever Orwellian terminology they apply to it.

No, I don't think Reform will do anything useful about the crisis. As I said, Farage is a liar and a sell-out. I do think he'll be the next PM, though, and if so, there may be enough, among his hundreds of MPs, to force a more radical approach. That's the only real hope, and it's a slim one.

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 2:14 pm

Maia wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 1:44 pm

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 12:12 pm
Maia, if you insist on your rights, you will suffer. Talk to Muslim women. Ask them what you should do. And go to the mosque. As a citizen, a neighbour, a supplicant.

There are no such policies. Nothing can stop the global collapse, except Africa for a while, in birth rate. Free housing is even more radical than I would ever suggest. Even in a true democracy. Nobody will ever vote for that. Or tax breaks. If Labour won't increase family allowances, you think Reform, the next government, will? There is nothing we can do to make having children more attractive.

And there is no comparison whatsoever between Britain and Australia. You can't paddle a rubber boat to Australia. You don't have some of the busiest airways, ferries, railways in the world going to Australia. ID cards will help marginally.

Well, I'm definitely not going to the mosque as a supplicant. Indeed, I'm not going at all, and had no plans to, since they would obviously not help in any way, and might even report me for a "non-crime hate incident" or whatever Orwellian terminology they apply to it.

No, I don't think Reform will do anything useful about the crisis. As I said, Farage is a liar and a sell-out. I do think he'll be the next PM, though, and if so, there may be enough, among his hundreds of MPs, to force a more radical approach. That's the only real hope, and it's a slim one.

They have the power, you don't. But you have the right to walk down the street without being sexually harassed. Write to them, ask to meet with the elders. Record your abusers. Report them to the police if the mosque does not deal with it to your satisfaction.

A supplicant is more powerful than a victim. They take their courage with them.

A radical approach cannot work. True courage always does. They are not the class enemy.

Maia wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 9:23 pm

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 2:14 pm

Maia wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 1:44 pm

Well, I'm definitely not going to the mosque as a supplicant. Indeed, I'm not going at all, and had no plans to, since they would obviously not help in any way, and might even report me for a "non-crime hate incident" or whatever Orwellian terminology they apply to it.

No, I don't think Reform will do anything useful about the crisis. As I said, Farage is a liar and a sell-out. I do think he'll be the next PM, though, and if so, there may be enough, among his hundreds of MPs, to force a more radical approach. That's the only real hope, and it's a slim one.

They have the power, you don't. But you have the right to walk down the street without being sexually harassed. Write to them, ask to meet with the elders. Record your abusers. Report them to the police if the mosque does not deal with it to your satisfaction.

A supplicant is more powerful than a victim. They take their courage with them.

A radical approach cannot work. True courage always does. They are not the class enemy.

I have even less trust in the police, with their two-tier policing.

There have apparently been quite a few protests around the country today, involving thousands of people. Something, at last, appears to be shifting.

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 10:59 pm

Maia wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 9:23 pm

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 2:14 pm
They have the power, you don't. But you have the right to walk down the street without being sexually harassed. Write to them, ask to meet with the elders. Record your abusers. Report them to the police if the mosque does not deal with it to your satisfaction.

A supplicant is more powerful than a victim. They take their courage with them.

A radical approach cannot work. True courage always does. They are not the class enemy.

I have even less trust in the police, with their two-tier policing.

There have apparently been quite a few protests around the country today, involving thousands of people. Something, at last, appears to be shifting.

A crime is a crime. Report it. Objectively. Dispassionately. With evidence.

The shift is in the ever greater success of the ruling class in dividing and conquering us. They get richer on all of this regardless.

Maia wrote: ↑Mon Aug 04, 2025 5:44 am

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 10:59 pm

Maia wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 9:23 pm

I have even less trust in the police, with their two-tier policing.

There have apparently been quite a few protests around the country today, involving thousands of people. Something, at last, appears to be shifting.

A crime is a crime. Report it. Objectively. Dispassionately. With evidence.

The shift is in the ever greater success of the ruling class in dividing and conquering us. They get richer on all of this regardless.

I don't have any evidence. I can't give a description, for example.

The recent attempts by the ruling class to cause further dissention and disunity among the English, in order, presumably, to have an excuse to bring in ever more draconian measures against privacy and free speech, may well have backfired big time.

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 04, 2025 8:28 am

Maia wrote: ↑Mon Aug 04, 2025 5:44 am

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 10:59 pm
A crime is a crime. Report it. Objectively. Dispassionately. With evidence.

The shift is in the ever greater success of the ruling class in dividing and conquering us. They get richer on all of this regardless.

I don't have any evidence. I can't give a description, for example.

The recent attempts by the ruling class to cause further dissention and disunity among the English, in order, presumably, to have an excuse to bring in ever more draconian measures against privacy and free speech, may well have backfired big time.

I understand the difficulty. Write it down. Clinically. Dispassionately, objectively, whilst saying how it made you feel, freely.

There has never been absolutely free speech, even in America. Especially in. The right to hate is private.

Maia wrote: ↑Mon Aug 04, 2025 8:51 am

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 04, 2025 8:28 am

Maia wrote: ↑Mon Aug 04, 2025 5:44 am

I don't have any evidence. I can't give a description, for example.

The recent attempts by the ruling class to cause further dissention and disunity among the English, in order, presumably, to have an excuse to bring in ever more draconian measures against privacy and free speech, may well have backfired big time.

I understand the difficulty. Write it down. Clinically. Dispassionately, objectively, whilst saying how it made you feel, freely.

There has never been absolutely free speech, even in America. Especially in. The right to hate is private.

I just think it would be completely pointless, contacting the police, and therefore unnecessarily stressful. Thankfully, as I said, organisations are springing up to fill the void, such as the WSI. I've also learnt that there's a sit down, family protest at the Ramada Hotel in Solihull, starting next Saturday, which is pretty close to me, just a short bus ride, so I'll probably go along. It's about time I started actually doing something.

If by absolute free speech you mean the right to shout fire in a crowded theatre, then no, it has never existed. But what the government are now clamping down on is the right to tell the truth, and that crosses a very important line.

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 04, 2025 9:16 am

Maia wrote: ↑Mon Aug 04, 2025 8:51 am

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 04, 2025 8:28 am
I understand the difficulty. Write it down. Clinically. Dispassionately, objectively, whilst saying how it made you feel, freely.

There has never been absolutely free speech, even in America. Especially in. The right to hate is private.

I just think it would be completely pointless, contacting the police, and therefore unnecessarily stressful. Thankfully, as I said, organisations are springing up to fill the void, such as the WSI. I've also learnt that there's a sit down, family protest at the Ramada Hotel in Solihull, starting next Saturday, which is pretty close to me, just a short bus ride, so I'll probably go along. It's about time I started actually doing something.

If by absolute free speech you mean the right to shout fire in a crowded theatre, then no, it has never existed. But what the government are now clamping down on is the right to tell the truth, and that crosses a very important line.

The ruling class dumping desperate illegal migrants in the midst of the working class is asking for trouble. They . don't . care.

The government is talking about ending putting them in third rate hotels.

The right to tell the truth pivots on how. The working class do not have the resources to write white papers. You are personally constrained from documenting your experience. If you can't, won't have social justice, you must have law and order.