Dear God:

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Gary Childress
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Re: Dear God:

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Age wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:58 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:42 pm
Age wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:33 pm

As an 'adult' the answer is a resounding, 'Yes'.


What do you mean by 'probably'?

Can you name one person who does want war?



And who chose to vote, or allow, so-called "leaders" 'in', exactly?

Also, what kind of useless human being needs or even wants to 'led', exactly?



you speak, here, as though 'you' are not going to so-call 'die' anyway.
The point is, many of us have no say in politics once our leaders are elected.
If you and/or others feel this way, then why elect another, to lead you?

Again, what kind of useless human being even feels that they need to be 'led' anyway?

Let alone then going and even voting one in?
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:42 pm We don't elect them to get us into wars.
Yet you elect 'the ones' that take you into wars. Could 'these ones' have gotten any more stupider?
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:42 pm Wars seem to propagate on their own through processes like we are seeing now.
Wars don't seem to propagate in their own at all.

Only you adult human beings propagate each and every war.
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:42 pm Each side thinks it is in their best interest to retaliate once hostilities start and backing down seems to be perceived as "weakness" or "surrender" and therefore a loss by the one who backs down.
Just expressing what you adults blatantly do is not going to help any thing, here.
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:42 pm Not all of us see things that way, but many people in power seem to and it causes wars to escalate.
So again,

1. Why do you elect people like 'that' in?

2. Why do you even elect another to 'lead you'?
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:42 pm Do you disagree with my observations above?
Which ones, exactly, you did express a few?

Some yes, and, some no.

Now, why did you not answer and clarify the questions I asked you for clarification?

See, you did answer and clarify, openly and honestly, then you will be closer to obtaining the answers, which you are seeking, here.
Your whole previous post about we voters being responsible for the wars we are in is a moot point. Many of us don't want wars, but either our candidates that don't want wars never win elections or they change their tone after they're elected. Or are you not saying that we voters are responsible for the wars our leaders get us into? If the answer is that you are not saying that, then fair enough. Maybe you can elaborate on what you meant when you said:
Yet you elect 'the ones' that take you into wars. Could 'these ones' have gotten any more stupider?
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Re: Dear God:

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Atla wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 9:11 pm
Age wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 9:06 pm
Atla wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 8:48 pm
This God sure isn't omniscient though. Probably knows and understands less than a 4th grader.
And, 'this one' will 'try' any thing to deflect away from its its obvious False belief and claim, here. Which let us not forget it has not been able to back up nor support in any way nor form, at all.

Alos 'this one' has made another False claim, here, which it could not back up nor support, at all, also. And, at least I do not go around pretending I know what 'human nature' is.

I actually do know, and actually can back up and provide support for.
No you don't. Just about everyone here already knows that you know less than a 4th grader so who are you trying to fool, God?
Once again 'we' have another one, here, who has been absolutely deceived and fooled by its very own beliefs/s.
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Re: Dear God:

Post by Age »

Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:39 pm
Age wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:58 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:42 pm

The point is, many of us have no say in politics once our leaders are elected.
If you and/or others feel this way, then why elect another, to lead you?

Again, what kind of useless human being even feels that they need to be 'led' anyway?

Let alone then going and even voting one in?
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:42 pm We don't elect them to get us into wars.
Yet you elect 'the ones' that take you into wars. Could 'these ones' have gotten any more stupider?
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:42 pm Wars seem to propagate on their own through processes like we are seeing now.
Wars don't seem to propagate in their own at all.

Only you adult human beings propagate each and every war.
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:42 pm Each side thinks it is in their best interest to retaliate once hostilities start and backing down seems to be perceived as "weakness" or "surrender" and therefore a loss by the one who backs down.
Just expressing what you adults blatantly do is not going to help any thing, here.
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:42 pm Not all of us see things that way, but many people in power seem to and it causes wars to escalate.
So again,

1. Why do you elect people like 'that' in?

2. Why do you even elect another to 'lead you'?
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:42 pm Do you disagree with my observations above?
Which ones, exactly, you did express a few?

Some yes, and, some no.

Now, why did you not answer and clarify the questions I asked you for clarification?

See, you did answer and clarify, openly and honestly, then you will be closer to obtaining the answers, which you are seeking, here.
Your whole previous post about we voters being responsible for the wars we are in is a moot point.
So, you blame the so-called "leaders", which you vote and elect in, for the wars you have to live and endure in, but take absolutely no responsibility at all for the Fact that you voted and elected 'them' in.

So, once more, 'we' have another prime example of 'these adults' blaming everything else, but "themselves' for the actual mess and wars that these people had to live in and endure through, back in the days when this was being written.

It is like they actually believed that they were not responsible for absolutely any of 'the mess', which they actually created and caused all of.
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:39 pm Many of us don't want wars, but either our candidates that don't want wars never win elections or they change their tone after they're elected.
Once again you have missed the point absolutely, and completely.
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:39 pm Or are you not saying that we voters are responsible for the wars our leaders get us into? If the answer is that you are not saying that, then fair enough. Maybe you can elaborate on what you meant when you said:
Of course you voters are the cause and creators of what the 'elected' do and create.

How much more blatantly obvious could this get?
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:39 pm
Yet you elect 'the ones' that take you into wars. Could 'these ones' have gotten any more stupider?
Walker
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Re: Dear God:

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Age wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:15 pm At the moment I can not think of any examples, so will you provide any examples?
I certainly please will. Even though you may be a lousy golfer, if you get bitten by the bug one good shot out of 120 strokes will be enough cause for you drop another big chunk of change next week, and try for more good shots, when you realize that reality can unfold just as you imagine with a golf shot, sometimes.
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Re: Dear God:

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Age wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:27 pm
But considering the view and belief that the Universe is so-called predatory only is False, the above is moot.
Gary flummoxed doesn't make you Gary.

*

Black holes gobbling up everything within reach.
Phagocytes gobbling up the microbes.
Everything in between gobbling up everything else.
That's the sound of Predation, not Turkeys.
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Re: Dear God:

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(Age, continued)

A key element of golf is imagining first, then doing as imagined and experiencing the results, as imagined.

Let’s say you’re 150 yards from the pin, in the short grass, and the terrain elevates you about ten feet above the pin. In perfect conditions you might hit a nine or eight iron. But conditions are windy. You are hitting your shot into a steady 30 mph wind. So, after some mental calculations involving wind, necessary flight trajectory, location of the pin, stance, swing and your own ability which includes the proper wrist action for backspin caused by the grooved clubs, you imagine the contact with the ball before you swing, that solid feel of contact when you get the ball right in the center of the club so that by the time the club digs a divot in the dirt, the stroke has done its work and the rest of your swing is like old karma that has already launched inevitability. You imagine seeing the ball in the air, hanging up into the wind for a long time like a little moon kite. So, instead of a nine iron on a clear day when you can see forever, you take the five iron, maybe even the four*, and you address the ball. You look down at the ball on the ground, then you look up at the target. Down at the ball, up at the target. Your body is registering the feel of what will happen, before it happens. Somehow, this all internalizes into the core of the body as a computation of physics, and the body feels the shot. The action is first felt in stillness, felt as an imagined experience that gets reinforced by glancing at the target, then holding that image in the mind while looking away from the target and at the ball. Over and over again, just looking at the target and imagining the action, before the action. In your mind you watch the flight of the ball, before it takes flight. It’s a bit like, so let it be written in the air, so let it be done.

This is why businessmen like golf. Making deals happen as imagined.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxf1IFgPH5s


* as a baseline, the lower the iron number the farther the shot, and a one number difference is about ten yards on a level surface, generally speaking. Distance from pin can be judged by the vegetation. Usually a prominent little bush on the sideline is planted 150 yards away, but these days rich folks use electronic rangefinders.

"Not even God can hit a 1 iron." - Lee Travino
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Re: Dear God:

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Age wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 8:53 am
Fairy wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 6:55 am God in his genius wisdom chose death.

God got bored with being infinitely everything and living forever. So God committed suicide.

We are the rotting corpse and the fragmented body parts of God’s body.
So, God's body is infinite and eternal, but somehow it is then concluded that you human beings are the 'rotting corpse' of a dead or dying God.
Fairy wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 6:55 am Such is the suchness of Yummy Life. 😋 yum yum.

Think of this as OUR O BORE US …( ouroboros ) a circular symbol depicting a snake, or less commonly a dragon, swallowing it’s tail, as an emblem of wholeness or infinity.
Okay.
Just to clarify….

God’s body is God dreaming he has a body.

God cannot die because he wasn’t born. He’s infinite. He’s not male either except in his dream.

God committing suicide is God’s dream, the dream of finite versions of himself living to die, and dying to live infinitely for eternity.

Life and death are only within the dream of finite things the infinite one (GOD) is dreaming.

God got bored of being alone forever so he blew himself up in the Big Bang exploding into infinite parts of himself so as to give the illusion he’s not alone.
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Re: Dear God:

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Age wrote: Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:42 am
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:39 pm
Age wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:58 pm

If you and/or others feel this way, then why elect another, to lead you?

Again, what kind of useless human being even feels that they need to be 'led' anyway?

Let alone then going and even voting one in?


Yet you elect 'the ones' that take you into wars. Could 'these ones' have gotten any more stupider?


Wars don't seem to propagate in their own at all.

Only you adult human beings propagate each and every war.


Just expressing what you adults blatantly do is not going to help any thing, here.



So again,

1. Why do you elect people like 'that' in?

2. Why do you even elect another to 'lead you'?



Which ones, exactly, you did express a few?

Some yes, and, some no.

Now, why did you not answer and clarify the questions I asked you for clarification?

See, you did answer and clarify, openly and honestly, then you will be closer to obtaining the answers, which you are seeking, here.
Your whole previous post about we voters being responsible for the wars we are in is a moot point.
So, you blame the so-called "leaders", which you vote and elect in, for the wars you have to live and endure in, but take absolutely no responsibility at all for the Fact that you voted and elected 'them' in.

So, once more, 'we' have another prime example of 'these adults' blaming everything else, but "themselves' for the actual mess and wars that these people had to live in and endure through, back in the days when this was being written.

It is like they actually believed that they were not responsible for absolutely any of 'the mess', which they actually created and caused all of.
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:39 pm Many of us don't want wars, but either our candidates that don't want wars never win elections or they change their tone after they're elected.
Once again you have missed the point absolutely, and completely.
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:39 pm Or are you not saying that we voters are responsible for the wars our leaders get us into? If the answer is that you are not saying that, then fair enough. Maybe you can elaborate on what you meant when you said:
Of course you voters are the cause and creators of what the 'elected' do and create.

How much more blatantly obvious could this get?
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:39 pm
Yet you elect 'the ones' that take you into wars. Could 'these ones' have gotten any more stupider?
Age, I am not responsible for any of the wars going on right now. I don't want any of them. Age, are you responsible for the wrongs your leaders commit? Or is it just the rest of us who are responsible for everything our leaders do once they are elected? You have got to be the biggest hypocrite this world has. You blame everyone but yourself. Why is that?
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Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 5:08 am The world is spiraling deeper into what appears to be the beginning of WWIII. Dear God, if you exist, please perform a miracle and pull us all out of this. Please bring peace. Please restore goodwill among all. Amen.
Where? How? What have I missed? What do you know that no one else does? It's all business as usual on the Beeb.
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Re: Dear God:

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Walker wrote: Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:46 am
Age wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:15 pm At the moment I can not think of any examples, so will you provide any examples?
I certainly please will. Even though you may be a lousy golfer, if you get bitten by the bug one good shot out of 120 strokes will be enough cause for you drop another big chunk of change next week, and try for more good shots, when you realize that reality can unfold just as you imagine with a golf shot, sometimes.
If 'this' is supposedly 'human nature's, then why do only som people behave like 'this'?

The only people that I know of who 'try to' or 'want to try to' make a moment last forever are those individuals with a particular mental disability. Which, by the way, is a very, very small percentage of human beings. So, how and why, exactly, do you believe that 'this' is human nature?
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Re: Dear God:

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Walker wrote: Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:52 am
Age wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:27 pm
But considering the view and belief that the Universe is so-called predatory only is False, the above is moot.
Gary flummoxed doesn't make you Gary.

*

Black holes gobbling up everything within reach.
Phagocytes gobbling up the microbes.
Everything in between gobbling up everything else.
That's the sound of Predation, not Turkeys.
Yet new things are being Boren and created all of the time, as well.

So, any idea, view, or belief that the Universe is predatory, only, is coming from a very closed, or blind, perspective of things.
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Re: Dear God:

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Walker wrote: Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:37 am (Age, continued)

A key element of golf is imagining first, then doing as imagined and experiencing the results, as imagined.

Let’s say you’re 150 yards from the pin, in the short grass, and the terrain elevates you about ten feet above the pin. In perfect conditions you might hit a nine or eight iron. But conditions are windy. You are hitting your shot into a steady 30 mph wind. So, after some mental calculations involving wind, necessary flight trajectory, location of the pin, stance, swing and your own ability which includes the proper wrist action for backspin caused by the grooved clubs, you imagine the contact with the ball before you swing, that solid feel of contact when you get the ball right in the center of the club so that by the time the club digs a divot in the dirt, the stroke has done its work and the rest of your swing is like old karma that has already launched inevitability. You imagine seeing the ball in the air, hanging up into the wind for a long time like a little moon kite. So, instead of a nine iron on a clear day when you can see forever, you take the five iron, maybe even the four*, and you address the ball. You look down at the ball on the ground, then you look up at the target. Down at the ball, up at the target. Your body is registering the feel of what will happen, before it happens. Somehow, this all internalizes into the core of the body as a computation of physics, and the body feels the shot. The action is first felt in stillness, felt as an imagined experience that gets reinforced by glancing at the target, then holding that image in the mind while looking away from the target and at the ball. Over and over again, just looking at the target and imagining the action, before the action. In your mind you watch the flight of the ball, before it takes flight. It’s a bit like, so let it be written in the air, so let it be done.

This is why businessmen like golf. Making deals happen as imagined.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxf1IFgPH5s


* as a baseline, the lower the iron number the farther the shot, and a one number difference is about ten yards on a level surface, generally speaking. Distance from pin can be judged by the vegetation. Usually a prominent little bush on the sideline is planted 150 yards away, but these days rich folks use electronic rangefinders.

"Not even God can hit a 1 iron." - Lee Travino
I am not sure how any of this relates to your claim that chiman nature', supposedly, yearns to make a perfect moment last forever,

Above your are talking about just imagining some thing in another moment. Which may well be some thing that you might do, but what you may well do, individually, never necessarily equates to 'human nature', itself.

Are you even aware that what is 'human nature' has to apply to every human being, and, to human beings only?
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Re: Dear God:

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Fairy wrote: Mon Jun 16, 2025 6:12 am
Age wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 8:53 am
Fairy wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 6:55 am God in his genius wisdom chose death.

God got bored with being infinitely everything and living forever. So God committed suicide.

We are the rotting corpse and the fragmented body parts of God’s body.
So, God's body is infinite and eternal, but somehow it is then concluded that you human beings are the 'rotting corpse' of a dead or dying God.
Fairy wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 6:55 am Such is the suchness of Yummy Life. 😋 yum yum.

Think of this as OUR O BORE US …( ouroboros ) a circular symbol depicting a snake, or less commonly a dragon, swallowing it’s tail, as an emblem of wholeness or infinity.
Okay.
Just to clarify….

God’s body is God dreaming he has a body.
But, God does not dream, like you human beings do.

And, God's body is an actual thing and not some thing dreamt.

Do even know what God is, exactly, and/or what the word God is referring to, exactly?

If yes, then what is 'It', exactly?

But, if no, then okay.

Also, and by the obvious way, God is not a "he".
Fairy wrote: Mon Jun 16, 2025 6:12 am God cannot die because he wasn’t born. He’s infinite. He’s not male either except in his dream.
But, it is only 'you' dreaming up or making this stuff up, here.
Fairy wrote: Mon Jun 16, 2025 6:12 am God committing suicide is God’s dream, the dream of finite versions of himself living to die, and dying to live infinitely for eternity.

Life and death are only within the dream of finite things the infinite one (GOD) is dreaming.

God got bored of being alone forever so he blew himself up in the Big Bang exploding into infinite parts of himself so as to give the illusion he’s not alone.
If this is what you, alone, what to believe is absolutely true, then you are absolutely free to do so.
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Re: Dear God:

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Gary Childress wrote: Mon Jun 16, 2025 5:18 pm
Age wrote: Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:42 am
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:39 pm

Your whole previous post about we voters being responsible for the wars we are in is a moot point.
So, you blame the so-called "leaders", which you vote and elect in, for the wars you have to live and endure in, but take absolutely no responsibility at all for the Fact that you voted and elected 'them' in.

So, once more, 'we' have another prime example of 'these adults' blaming everything else, but "themselves' for the actual mess and wars that these people had to live in and endure through, back in the days when this was being written.

It is like they actually believed that they were not responsible for absolutely any of 'the mess', which they actually created and caused all of.
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:39 pm Many of us don't want wars, but either our candidates that don't want wars never win elections or they change their tone after they're elected.
Once again you have missed the point absolutely, and completely.
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:39 pm Or are you not saying that we voters are responsible for the wars our leaders get us into? If the answer is that you are not saying that, then fair enough. Maybe you can elaborate on what you meant when you said:
Of course you voters are the cause and creators of what the 'elected' do and create.

How much more blatantly obvious could this get?
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:39 pm
Age, I am not responsible for any of the wars going on right now.
Once more 'we' have another prime example of how absolutely none of the adult human beings, back in the days when this was being written, believed that they were responsible for absolutely any of the mess that that they all created and caused in 'that world' that they were living in and creating.

It was always someone else's fault
Gary Childress wrote: Mon Jun 16, 2025 5:18 pm I don't want any of them. Age, are you responsible for the wrongs your leaders commit?
Again 'this one' keeps missing the very point.
Gary Childress wrote: Mon Jun 16, 2025 5:18 pm Or is it just the rest of us who are responsible for everything our leaders do once they are elected? You have got to be the biggest hypocrite this world has.
you do not even know 'my answer', but yet here you are already concluding what it is.
Gary Childress wrote: Mon Jun 16, 2025 5:18 pm You blame everyone but yourself. Why is that?
Have you ever realised or considered how many times your own Wrong assumptions have led you completely astray?
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Re: Dear God:

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Age wrote: Mon Jun 16, 2025 9:01 pm
Most disappointing. D- for comprehension, F for style.
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