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godelian wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 8:45 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 8:08 am Islam has little to offer re 'moral system'.

Islam is consistent and deductively-closed. Hence, it certainly satisfies the basic requirements that one should expect from a moral system. It is definitely one of the better alternatives.

godelian wrote:

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 8:08 am Answer this: What is the ultimate purpose of a human mind?

I probably do not have a specific answer to that question.

godelian wrote:I would not know where to find it, really. Concerning why humanity exists, the Quran says the following:

ChatGPT: In Islam, why did Allah create mankind?

In Islam, Allah created mankind with a clear purpose: to worship Him. This purpose is directly stated in the Qur'an:

"And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me."
— Qur’an, Surah Adh-Dhariyat (51:56)

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 11:30 am Islam is evil.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 11:30 am

godelian wrote: I probably do not have a specific answer to that question.

That's extremely irrational. Either you have an answer or you don't.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sun Jun 01, 2025 3:41 pm It's hard to say, the vibes are so geometric, wouldn't you agree?

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 1:01 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sun Jun 01, 2025 3:41 pm It's hard to say, the vibes are so geometric, wouldn't you agree?

Just as an aside, how do you feel about allowing lots of godelians into UK on little rubber dinghies?

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 1:01 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sun Jun 01, 2025 3:41 pm It's hard to say, the vibes are so geometric, wouldn't you agree?

Just as an aside, how do you feel about allowing lots of godelians into UK on little rubber dinghies?

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-32216346

"Non-dom" describes a UK resident whose permanent home - or domicile - for tax purposes is outside the UK.

It refers to a person's tax status, and has nothing to do with their nationality, citizenship or resident status - although it can be affected by these factors.

A non-dom only pays UK tax on the money they earn in the UK. They do not have to pay tax to the UK government on money made elsewhere in the world (unless they pay that money into a UK bank account).

For wealthy individuals, this presents the opportunity for significant - and entirely legal - savings, if they nominate a lower-tax country as their domicile.

One of the most well-known non-doms is former Prime Minister Rishi Sunak's wife, Akshata Murty.

A recent report from global analytics firm New World Wealth and investment migration advisers Henley & Partners, external said that more than 10,000 millionaires left the UK in 2024, a 157% increase on the previous year. It said the non-dom rule changes were partly responsible.

According to the latest figures from HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC), external, 74,000 people claimed non-dom status in 2022-23.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 1:38 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 1:01 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sun Jun 01, 2025 3:41 pm It's hard to say, the vibes are so geometric, wouldn't you agree?

Just as an aside, how do you feel about allowing lots of godelians into UK on little rubber dinghies?

He's a white American psychopath, no thanks.

Now fuck off with your race baiting you vile shit stain.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 1:47 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 1:38 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 1:01 pm

Just as an aside, how do you feel about allowing lots of godelians into UK on little rubber dinghies?

He's a white American psychopath, no thanks.

Now fuck off with your race baiting you vile shit stain.

I had no idea that the colour of his skin mattered so much to the likes of you, you racist moron

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 3:46 pm Quit begging for attention you worthless drunken racist hick.

godelian wrote:I would not know where to find it, really. Concerning why humanity exists, the Quran says the following:

ChatGPT: In Islam, why did Allah create mankind?

In Islam, Allah created mankind with a clear purpose: to worship Him. This purpose is directly stated in the Qur'an:

"And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me."
— Qur’an, Surah Adh-Dhariyat (51:56)

godelian wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 4:53 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 4:02 am No one disagrees that 1+1=2. You seem to think that despising people for being "worthless" is perfectly fine. I disagree. Can you deductively show me that you are right and I am wrong about that?

Yes, of course.

Morality is deductive. Hence, you must first choose the system of basic rules that you want to deduct the moral rulings from.

Note that this choice is essentially "arbitrary". This is always the case in the context of deduction.

Example:

Islam ⊢ "We ought to despise the unbelievers"

Justification.

Quran 3:28. Let not the believers take disbelievers as allies aside from the believers. But whoever does that, then he did not have from God in anything, except that you beware from them in precaution. And God warns you of Himself, and to God is the destination.

Quran 5:51. 0 those who believe, do not take Jews or Christians as friends for they are friends among themselves. And whoever has friendship with them, he is one of them.

These verses give me a blanket permission to despise unbelievers for their deviant views on morality. Furthermore, why would I not do it? Especially, given the fact that I even enjoy doing it. You see, expressing contempt is subject to lots of regulations, quite similar to using violence. So, whenever the rules give you permission to express contempt, you should obviously jump on the opportunity to do so!

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Jun 06, 2025 4:43 pm Answer this: What is the ultimate purpose of a human mind?