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LuckyR wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 6:07 pm

godelian wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 6:36 am On the one hand, a Christian woman staunchly believes that she owns half of my assets because I happen to regularly have sex with her. On the other hand, I staunchly believe that Christianity is nothing more and nothing less than a detestable scam.

My faith turns out to be much stronger than hers, allowing me to outstubborn her in naysaying. That allows me to guarantee that she will never manage to lay her hands on half my assets, no matter how many times she tempts me into having sex with her.

Hence, I conclude that my God is more powerful than the fake divinity of a hominid and his single mother. As you can see, it pays to despise Christianity. Feel free to prove me wrong.

You can't prove a subjective opinion to be wrong. I like chocolate ice cream, prove me wrong.

LuckR, why am I asking why you're giving this person the time of day? I'm intrigued I suppose. What's the pay off? What am I missing?

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:53 pm

LuckyR wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 6:07 pm

godelian wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 6:36 am On the one hand, a Christian woman staunchly believes that she owns half of my assets because I happen to regularly have sex with her. On the other hand, I staunchly believe that Christianity is nothing more and nothing less than a detestable scam.

My faith turns out to be much stronger than hers, allowing me to outstubborn her in naysaying. That allows me to guarantee that she will never manage to lay her hands on half my assets, no matter how many times she tempts me into having sex with her.

Hence, I conclude that my God is more powerful than the fake divinity of a hominid and his single mother. As you can see, it pays to despise Christianity. Feel free to prove me wrong.

You can't prove a subjective opinion to be wrong. I like chocolate ice cream, prove me wrong.

LuckR, why am I asking why you're giving this person the time of day? I'm intrigued I suppose. What's the pay off? What am I missing?

I think it's the smugness.

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:53 pm LuckR, why am I asking why you're giving this person the time of day? I'm intrigued I suppose. What's the pay off? What am I missing?

I take great pleasure in despising Christianity and its fake divinities. I endlessly enjoy doing that to the extent that it has become a second nature. I am looking to share the fun with other people and to encourage them to join in on the utter contempt of Christianity. If the payoff is not for you, that means that you probably believe in these fake divinities. In that case, I feel sorry for you, because Christianity is a scam of epic proportions, and you are inevitably going to get ripped off. Watch your wallet, my friend, because it is only a question of time before they will be coming for it!

LuckyR wrote: ↑Thu Jun 26, 2025 6:31 am

Martin Peter Clarke wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:53 pm

LuckyR wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 6:07 pm
You can't prove a subjective opinion to be wrong. I like chocolate ice cream, prove me wrong.

LuckYR, why am I asking why you're giving this person the time of day? I'm intrigued I suppose. What's the pay off? What am I missing?

I think it's the smugness.

But LuckyR! The plain reading of scripture is that you are self-deprecating! That the pay off for you is smuggery! Although you have a lot to be smug about, it's true. An enviable amount. I admire your stamina too.

I find my fellow creatures like godelian and a good many more here, including those embraced in polarized hostility, fascinating. I mean, I'm as neurodivergent as a box of frogs, but I value and aspire to disinterested reasoning in an 'influenced by considerations of personal advantage' kind of way. My passions are as disordered as the next man's, to paraphrase a wise Roman Catholic observation, but, luckily, that pursuit of reason, no matter how brutish the facts it uncovers, is one of them.

What's the pay off for them? Relentless venting of spleen? They can not be reached by good will, kindness, due to our inadequacy. I suspect we just don't, won't, can't be R. D. Laing to them and sit down in the shit with them, elegantly matching them. It's how the best interrogators work. Empathy. None of us have tried that, and it's probably too late now, and I can't see it working with any of them. Especially now in plain sight, after all the history. I always try and ask what happened to them, what's their story, but not competently, not sufficiently enough to be cathartic.

I'd like to be Rogerian for them, but can't find a way in, along with the rest of us.

Can we even try and work out how to do that here? I find it far easier in person. Ed: By that I mean one can manage most people in a pleasant enough manner, including libertarians, contrarians and conspiracy theorists, racists, fascists, Jungians, just by saying anodyne things like 'I understand, yes' or just nodding. Shook my head once at a damnationist in church and he screamed 'HERESY!!!', most disturbing. One is still learning from ones mistakes, a fail yesterday with a demanding young beggar with a personality disorder, one a few months ago with a Covid-denier I made the mistake of being convivial with. Never give any one the opportunity to double down. The trouble is just by walking close by JWs as if they didn't exist rewards them. You never see one, as group closure couldn't occur. I'm probably doing that here with my Foes.

Why are you always trying to bait people with your silly christianity threads? I'm sure the christians on here don't give a goat's buttocks (of which you would know A LOT about) what you think, so why don't you slither off and dream about those 72 virgins waiting for you? They won't expect half your precious assets (because your young living wives would already have all of them) and I'm sure Allah will provide endless viagra for that tragic little micropenis of yours.

accelafine wrote: ↑Thu Jun 26, 2025 7:52 am Why are you always trying to bait people with your silly christianity threads? I'm sure the christians on here don't give a goat's buttocks (of which you would know A LOT about) what you think, so why don't you slither off and dream about those 72 virgins waiting for you? They won't expect half your precious assets (because your young living wives would already have all of them) and I'm sure Allah will provide endless viagra for that tragic little micropenis of yours.

Ha, Countess von Sluttz und Whorania, Queen of the dinosaurs! How is it going with that huge plastic dildo? Did you shove it up your arse this time or are you still sucking on it?

LuckyR wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 4:13 pm

Age wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:12 am

LuckyR wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 6:07 pm

You can't prove a subjective opinion to be wrong.

That would all depend on 'the actual opinion', would it not?

LuckyR wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 6:07 pm I like chocolate ice cream, prove me wrong.

Since I'm not seeing a proof, I guess my work here is done.

What 'we' can clearly see here, again, is another one with an extremely narrowed and closed viewpoint and perspective, and thus so only 'sees' what it wants to see, and which it already believes is true anyway.

Now, no one, and especially you, has asked for any proof, here. Which is why you are not seeing a proof.

Also I asked you a question for clarification, but we are not seeing any. So, does this mean that my work is done?

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jun 26, 2025 10:22 am

LuckyR wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 4:13 pm

Age wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:12 am

That would all depend on 'the actual opinion', would it not?

Since I'm not seeing a proof, I guess my work here is done.

What 'we' can clearly see here, again, is another one with an extremely narrowed and closed viewpoint and perspective, and thus so only 'sees' what it wants to see, and which it already believes is true anyway.

Now, no one, and especially you, has asked for any proof, here. Which is why you are not seeing a proof.

Also I asked you a question for clarification, but we are not seeing any. So, does this mean that my work is done?

Most proposing that different subjective opinions might be provable or not depending, would provide an example of both types to PROVE their point (as opposed to just asking an open question of their own design then standing back and waiting for the guy who disagrees with them to prove their point for them).

LuckyR wrote: ↑Thu Jun 26, 2025 7:33 pm

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jun 26, 2025 10:22 am

LuckyR wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 4:13 pm

Since I'm not seeing a proof, I guess my work here is done.

What 'we' can clearly see here, again, is another one with an extremely narrowed and closed viewpoint and perspective, and thus so only 'sees' what it wants to see, and which it already believes is true anyway.

Now, no one, and especially you, has asked for any proof, here. Which is why you are not seeing a proof.

Also I asked you a question for clarification, but we are not seeing any. So, does this mean that my work is done?

Most proposing that different subjective opinions might be provable or not depending, would provide an example of both types to PROVE their point (as opposed to just asking an open question of their own design then standing back and waiting for the guy who disagrees with them to prove their point for them).

Well the Fact is you can prove some 'subjective opinions' to be Wrong, or even Right.

But, if you just want to keep believing otherwise, then go ahead and believe 'this'. you doing so, without seeking out the actual Truth, here, only goes to show and prove my claim about how the Mind and the brain works, in conjunction with the belief-system.

By the way what 'most' might do is not necessarily what 'I' would, nor will, do, at all. For example some, maybe even most, like to prove 'their point'. Whereas 'I' certainly have no need to, so I just wait patiently for those who really do want to know, and who really are seeking, the Truth. I know what is irrefutably True, and Right, here, and I am certainly in no rush. But, 'you' can do what 'most', here, do, that is, believe true whatever you like.

My gutter's overflowing and mainly missing the barrel I put on the patio to catch it and it's half full and too damn heavy to move without actually stepping out in to the rain in my underwear to drag it. What's a man to do? It's so vexatious. Ah well, the bowels are making their presence felt.

Put my dressing gown on! It's actually colder. That facilitated my braving the elephants, stepping out on to the now be-sprinkling patio and man-handling the barrel under the gutter overflow. The heavy drops are now centred, but it doesn't take much wind.

That was a bit of a wasted comment really, just one at a time, interleaved with other noise I thought. But the narrative needs immediacy doesn't it?