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So, 'then' 'that one' is Claiming that it wd[fof8w]et9uvb1, there. Certain it is.Age wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 12:32 pmSo, 'now' 'this one' is admitting that it could be a Truly closed human being, here.
Now 'this one' asks a question, but presents it a statement and/or claim.
No question, 'that one'.Age wrote: ↑Wed Apr 30, 2025 11:38 amNow 'this one' asks a question, but presents it a statement and/or claim.
In my estimation, it is more likely than not that all concious systems survive physical death. This could be for hundreds of trillions of years until the black holes finally evaporate. Or perhaps ghosts are real. Phantom limb syndrome? How about phantom concious systems? Meaning is a useless term for the most part. We are born into the cold steel machinery of a universe that seems to do nothing whatsoever to entail that it wants to help us or knows about us or cares about us. I believe that in a near infinite or infinite multiverse, Gods do emerge. I think there's a chance this God or these Gods can and do perhaps know and care, especially about concious systems that could potentially exist for an ineffable amount of epochs. We can only create meaning by helping ourselves and others. Having some enjoyment when we can.Age wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 12:17 amOkay, you believe consciousness belongs to all 'living things'. But,popeye1945 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:58 pmI believe consciousness belongs to all living things. Anything that can fear for its life is conscious, including cockroaches. Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things. There are many patterns of differing organisms, but only one essence to our common carbon-based biology.
1. What 'living things' are, to you, is different to what 'living things' are, to me and/or others.
2. I asked you, 'Is there 'consciousness' in non-human animals? And, your answer is, 'Yes', correct?
If correct, then I asked you, Does 'meaning' exist to the 'consciousness' in non-human animals?
'We' are still waiting for your answer, and clarification.
Now, as for the rest of what you said and wrote, here, who really cares? If you are going to quote my questions that I proposed, to you, then your answers are what I care much more about.
Nice riffs. For real. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the idea of "riffing" with intellectual ideas. Anyways. I think what you say about objectivity and subjectivity is true in a common sense here and now way. In my estimation, the two ultimately merge. The background and foreground are in the same spot. Hail, to the Central Sun of the Galaxies. One singularity for almost forever.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:35 pmBiology is the measure and the meaning of all things, which relates to our apparent reality/everyday reality. You are a sensing organism, the centre of your reality. It is out of you that this reality springs, for apparent reality is your subjective experience. Your experienced reality is an emergent quality of the union of subject and object. Experience, meaning, and judgment belong only to the conscious subject and never to the object or the world as object. This applies to all life forms; forms differ, but the essence of life is our carbon-based biology. Apparent reality is your biological readout, it is as if the energies of the cosmos played upon our biology as an instrument, altering biology to play the melody upon it we call apparent reality. Just as there is no color and/or no sound in the real world, but it is an interpretation of one's affected biology, so too, it may be that the same is true of objects in general. It was Spinoza who taught us the way we come to know a world of objects. He stated that the objects alter our biology in some way, and this we call experience. I have just expanded on his insight to that of replacing objects with energy, and it is energy that gives us objects through the relations between energy forms. We know our senses enable and limit what we perceive; thus, there must be a host of energies and energy forms we have no relation to, and know nothing of. For all we know, there could be a whole host of realities occurring in the same space as our apparent reality that we are oblivious to.Age wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 10:22 pmThank you for answering and clarifying the first question with just what you believe is true, here.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:58 pm
I believe consciousness belongs to all living things. Anything that can fear for its life is conscious, including cockroaches.
But, why did you not answer and clarify the second question, here?
I am not sure what 'it' is you are trying to convey, here, exactly, nor if 'it' relates in some way, here.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:58 pm Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things. There are many patterns of differing organisms, but only one essence to our common carbon-based biology.
Subject and object are necessarily one. We only speak of them as two parts of reality to understand them more clearly. As I remember, Schopenhauer stated, subject and object stand or fall together. This reality makes you the centre of the universe, as it does all other organisms.Giygas wrote: ↑Tue Jun 03, 2025 5:06 pmNice riffs. For real. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the idea of "riffing" with intellectual ideas. Anyways. I think what you say about objectivity and subjectivity is true in a common-sense sense, here and now way. In my estimation, the two ultimately merge. The background and foreground are in the same spot. Hail, to the Central Sun of the Galaxies. One singularity for almost forever.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:35 pmBiology is the measure and the meaning of all things, which relates to our apparent reality/everyday reality. You are a sensing organism, the centre of your reality. It is out of you that this reality springs, for apparent reality is your subjective experience. Your experienced reality is an emergent quality of the union of subject and object. Experience, meaning, and judgment belong only to the conscious subject and never to the object or the world as object. This applies to all life forms; forms differ, but the essence of life is our carbon-based biology. Apparent reality is your biological readout, it is as if the energies of the cosmos played upon our biology as an instrument, altering biology to play the melody upon it we call apparent reality. Just as there is no color and/or no sound in the real world, but it is an interpretation of one's affected biology, so too, it may be that the same is true of objects in general. It was Spinoza who taught us the way we come to know a world of objects. He stated that objects alter our biology in some way, and this we call experience. I have just expanded on his insight to replacing objects with energy, and it is energy that gives us objects through the relations between energy forms. We know our senses enable and limit what we perceive; thus, there must be a host of energies and energy forms we have no relation to, and don't know anything of. For all we know, a whole host of realities could occur in the same space as our apparent reality that we are oblivious to.Age wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 10:22 pm
Thank you for answering and clarifying the first question with just what you believe is true, here.
But, why did you not answer and clarify the second question, here?
I am not sure what 'it' is you are trying to convey, here, exactly, nor if 'it' relates in some way, here.