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henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:04 am Somehow, this...

LOL @ Henry having to adopt Mannie's technique of taking half a sentence out of the context it was written in and arguing against solely those few words.

Weakness.

...morphed into this...

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 12:46 am The ones voting for the face stomping and the ones collaborating with it always think they are doing just the right thing

From bad to worse.

I figured Alexiev can have that fight with you for himself if he feels like it so I changed the post.

You have claimed that the 74 million people who voted MAGA are the only valid constituency and fuck everyone else. Those words are going to haunt you.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 12:18 am

Alexiev wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:52 pm

ICE rousting potential immigrants

Only illegal aliens are bein' ousted, with known criminals bein' first.

So does removing words from government websites

The only taxpayer funded sites to get a good comb thru and change are those promotin' D.I.E and transvestite crap.

attacking freedom of the press

The weight of American gov hasn't been used by RED MAN DEFIANT to silence the propaganda machine.

a hundred other Trump initiatives.

None of those orders have done anything but, as I say, put American interests -- as defined by Americans --first.

How is that "less intrusive"?

Can't see how lockin' our doors & windows is intrusive. Can't see how expellin' unwelcome guests is intrusive. In fact, the only folks who ought to have a problem with it are the ones lookin' to come in w/out permission and those lookin' to profit by lettin' 'em in.

Tariffs are clearly "intrusive".

They're not. They're onerous.

Attacking free speech is un-American and intrusive.

Again, the weight of American gov hasn't been used by RED MAN DEFIANT to silence the propaganda machine.

Expanding the authority of the Presidency -- as Trump is clearly trying to do -- is at least somewhat fascist.

If that's true, then all execs, goin' back forever, are fascistic...includin' the ones you like.

Anyway, a smaller and less intrusive government is all about Americans, not foreign nationals, or corrosive memetic institutions.

Whether any of this is correct is debatable. Nonetheless, it's irrelevant to my point. No Libertarian could see Trump as "unintrusive", although he or she might support him in other ways.

As just one example, "silenc(ing) the propaganda machine" is both intrusive and unconstitutional (.e. UnAmerican).

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:10 am

Alexiev can have that fight with you

I've pretty much said my piece and your (all of you) responses are pretty much what I expected. Can't see any reason to drag it all out, so, no, there won't be a fight.

so I changed the post.

Like you really needed to tell me that.

You have claimed that the 74 million people who voted MAGA are the only valid constituency and fuck everyone else.

Uh, no, that's not exactly what I said, but, okay, it's in keepin' with the spirit.

Those words are going to haunt you.

Nah. It's common sense and common practice. No executive or legislator on any level of any iteration of government has ever represented all of the people. It's not possible. Think about it.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:50 am . No executive or legislator on any level of any iteration of government has ever represented all of the people. It's not possible. Think about it.

Nonsense. The elected representative may not agree with all the people, or receive votes from all the people but he is bound by moral law to "represent" them. It is Trump-like to idiotically claim otherwise.

Alexiev wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:44 am

No Libertarian could see Trump as "unintrusive", although he or she might support him in other ways.

I can't comment here. You'll have to ask a Libertarian about that. Me, I'm a natural rights libertarian and, so far, I'm good with what RED MAN DEFIANT is doin'. None of it is intrusive (quite the opposite).

"silenc(ing) the propaganda machine" is both intrusive and unconstitutional (.e. UnAmerican).

As I say: the weight of American gov hasn't been used by RED MAN DEFIANT to silence the propaganda machine.

Alexiev wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:58 am The elected representative...is bound by moral law to "represent" them.

You really believe the execs and legislators you hired represented or represent everyone? You're naive.

A more favorable presentation of DOGE activities.

Satan appears in black!

Make of it what you will. (Since apparently it depends on odd and unfortunately constellations of neurons coming together in overheated skulls (where is BigMike these days BTW?!)

henry quirk wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 6:30 pm As I say: RED MAN DEFIANT can't lose as long as he continues to put American interests -- as defined by *Americans -- first.

*specifically: the 74 million who voted for him. It's pretty clear RED MAN DEFIANT, along with that 74 million, doesn't give a flyin' fig about all those who voted against him or who didn't vote at all. Compromises, accommodations, dialogue, meeting in the middle, and reaching across the aisle: none of that flies any more.

As for the Futurist: He doesn't give a flyin' fig either. When advertisers threatened to pull dollars, the Futurist told the lot: Go fuck yourselves.

All the others: weasels lookin' to avoid bein' stomped on by RED MAN DEFIANT ('cept for Gates who's too busy perfectin' space umbrellas and vax-transmittin' mosquitos to give a sparrow's fart).

OBVIOUSLY 'this one' has, ONCE AGAIN, MISSED, COMPLETELY, what IS ACTUALLY COMING.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 7:18 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 6:52 pm Kinda sounding like a fascist there Henry.

*smaller, less intrusive, government
*fewer tax dollars collected and spent
*less regulation
*fewer foreign entanglements
*shoring up of the borders
*fair, not, free, trade with friends, not enemies
*merit, not credentials
*puttin' the kibosh on some cultural insanity

Those are some of those American interests.

None of that sounds particularly fascistic.

Although a LOT of 'that' sounds, EXACTLY, like how "north korea" has 'ended up', and as it, EXACTLY, is on 'the day' that you wrote 'that'.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:52 pm

phyllo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 10:25 pm The fascist part is letting one guy decide everything.

In the American system the executive, legislative, and judicial check & balance each other.

It's not quite one guy callin' all shots unilaterally. True, there are large questions on the table about what the exec can and can't do, what the true extent of his constitutional power is, but this is not unique to RED MAN DEFIANT. The party out of power always tries to rein in or neuter the opposing exec thru the other two branches and the court of public opinion.

It's a great unruly circus that, in the long run, doesn't mean nearly as much as some folks think it does. I mean, sure, if the circus is the source of your bread & butter, it's all very important...to you. If you're deluded and believe the circus truly is the beginning & end of all things, it's all very important...to you. Everyone else, we let ourselves get caught up in the sweep of it, the crass spectacle of it, but -- at day's end -- we know it's mostly entertainment...like sports ball.

RickLewis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 10:59 pm Not convinced. I saw a video of him being interviewed about he recent damage to Tesla's value, and it looked as if he was on the verge of tears.

Oh, Of course the Futurist would prefer it if all the hypocrites wouldn't burn up his investments and piss in his Cheerios. That's normal, I think. Question is: will he puss out becuz of the attacks or get mean and become an even sharper blade by way of DOGE?

I suspect the Futurist will get mean, just like RED MAN DEFIANT has become mean. Bad news if you're on the opposing team.

And, 'there' is the CRUX of the WHOLE thing, here.

Which most, here, are MISSING, COMPLETELY.

And, to SHOW and PROVE the just about ABSOLUTE ABSENCE of CURIOSITY LEFT IN adult human beings, in the days when this was being written, just WATCH what HAPPENS and OCCURS NEXT, here.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:52 pm Anyway: it's gonna be one helluva ride, the next 4 years...edge of your seat kinda stuff.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 12:05 am

henry quirk wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:52 pm

phyllo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 10:25 pm The fascist part is letting one guy decide everything.

In the American system the executive, legislative, and judicial check & balance each other.

In case you haven't notice... that's all grinding to a halt now. See my earlier post...

It was BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS that one would have HOPED that even those like "henry quirk" MAY have NOTICED it AS WELL.

But, as they say, some REALLY DO ONLY 'see' what they WANT TO SEE.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 12:05 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 4:34 pm For those keeping score "Butterfly Revolution Step 3: Ignore the Courts" just happened.
https://abc7.com/post/trump-administrat ... /16034307/

Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt meanwhile said "Federal courts generally have no jurisdiction over the President's conduct of foreign affairs, his authorities under the Alien Enemies Act, and his core Article II powers to remove foreign alien terrorists from U.S. soil and repel a declared invasion"

The executive branch is ignoring orders from the judicial and the legislative has stopped pretending to care.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 12:18 am

Alexiev wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:52 pm

ICE rousting potential immigrants

Only illegal aliens are bein' ousted, with known criminals bein' first.

LOL
LOL
LOL

HOW are 'they' KNOWN? Is it just one's word, ONLY?

There are also ALL of the OTHER VARIABLES, which are COMPLETELY HIDDEN, AS WELL. Well 'they' were OBVIOUSLY NOT ABLE TO GO THROUGH the 'judicial system'.

LOL What is GOING ON, here, IS SO BLATANTLY OBVIOUS. YET, there are SO MANY who are YET TO EVEN RECOGNIZE and SEE 'it'.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 12:18 am

So does removing words from government websites

The only taxpayer funded sites to get a good comb thru and change are those promotin' D.I.E and transvestite crap.

LOL

it SPEAKS as though it KNOWS. LOL

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 12:18 am

attacking freedom of the press

The weight of American gov hasn't been used by RED MAN DEFIANT to silence the propaganda machine.

ONCE MORE it IS AS BLIND as CAN BE.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 12:18 am

a hundred other Trump initiatives.

None of those orders have done anything but, as I say, put American interests -- as defined by Americans --first.

LOL
LOL
LOL

it could NOT HAVE BEEN MORE PLAYED nor MORE FOOLED.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 12:18 am

How is that "less intrusive"?

Can't see how lockin' our doors & windows is intrusive. Can't see how expellin' unwelcome guests is intrusive.

In fact one can NOT see ANY thing when one is TOTALLY BLIND.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 12:18 am In fact, the only folks who ought to have a problem with it are the ones lookin' to come in w/out permission and those lookin' to profit by lettin' 'em in.

AGAIN it SPEAKS WITHOUT KNOWING.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 12:18 am

Tariffs are clearly "intrusive".

They're not. They're onerous.

Which IS WHY other countries are PUTTING MORE and MORE tariffs ON the laughingly called "united states of america".

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 12:18 am

Attacking free speech is un-American and intrusive.

Again, the weight of American gov hasn't been used by RED MAN DEFIANT to silence the propaganda machine.

Does 'this one' REALLY think or BELIEVE that 'silencing' happens ALL AT ONCE.

Because of the ACTUAL INABILITY TO SEE, and RECOGNIZE, like people 'this one' HAVE, they COMPLETELY MISS the SUBTLE CHANGES, which OCCUR, ALONG 'the way'.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 12:18 am

Expanding the authority of the Presidency -- as Trump is clearly trying to do -- is at least somewhat fascist.

If that's true, then all execs, goin' back forever, are fascistic...includin' the ones you like.

WHY do you BELIEVE that ALL "presidents" of the "united states of america" have WANT TO EXPAND 'their authority' OVER 'you people'.

What is 'it' WITHIN 'their beings' that has made them SO WANTING OF CONTROL and POWER OVER 'you people', EXACTLY?

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 12:18 am Anyway, a smaller and less intrusive government is all about Americans, not foreign nationals, or corrosive memetic institutions.

LOL Having a SMALLER, NARROWER, and LESS VIEW, OBVIOUSLY, does NOT HELP people like "henry quirk" TO NOTICE and SEE what IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING and OCCURRING, here.

But, 'we' WILL LET it BELIEVE what it IS, here. See, WATCHING 'those' GET, EXACTLY, what they WANTED, WISHED, and even ASKED FOR can be VERY SATISFYING, and REWARDING, some times.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 2:04 am

Alexiev wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:58 am The elected representative...is bound by moral law to "represent" them.

You really believe the execs and legislators you hired represented or represent everyone? You're naive.

I'm not naive. Instead, I know what words mean (represent). Represent:

Be entitled or appointed to act or speak for (someone), especially in an official capacity.]

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:50 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:10 am

Alexiev can have that fight with you

I've pretty much said my piece and your (all of you) responses are pretty much what I expected. Can't see any reason to drag it all out, so, no, there won't be a fight.

There will NOT be A 'fight' FROM you BECAUSE you can NOT fight, here,

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:50 am

so I changed the post.

Like you really needed to tell me that.

You have claimed that the 74 million people who voted MAGA are the only valid constituency and fuck everyone else.

Uh, no, that's not exactly what I said, but, okay, it's in keepin' with the spirit.

And, it is this kind of BELIEF WHY you can NOT fight, here.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:50 am

Those words are going to haunt you.

Nah. It's common sense and common practice. No executive or legislator on any level of any iteration of government has ever represented all of the people. It's not possible. Think about it.

COMPLETELY MISSED, AGAIN.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 2:00 am

Alexiev wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:44 am

No Libertarian could see Trump as "unintrusive", although he or she might support him in other ways.

I can't comment here. You'll have to ask a Libertarian about that. Me, I'm a natural rights libertarian and, so far, I'm good with what RED MAN DEFIANT is doin'. None of it is intrusive (quite the opposite).

'This' IS a TYPICAL RESPONSE from one with the NARROWEST OF VIEWS and PERSPECTIVE.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue Mar 18, 2025 2:00 am

"silenc(ing) the propaganda machine" is both intrusive and unconstitutional (.e. UnAmerican).

As I say: the weight of American gov hasn't been used by RED MAN DEFIANT to silence the propaganda machine.

AGAIN, the BLIND just can NOT SEE SUBTLE CHANGES. They ONLY END UP 'seeing' ONCE IT IS TO FAR GONE, and thus IS TO LATE, UNFORTUNATELY, FOR them.