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Re: Paradox

Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2025 1:26 pm
by Fairy
It is in giving that you receive.

Re: Paradox

Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2025 1:27 pm
by Fairy
What were you before you were born?

Re: Paradox

Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2025 2:42 pm
by Fairy
G.K. Chesterton wrote: “A paradox is truth standing on its head to gain attention”.

Re: Paradox

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2025 10:29 am
by puto
Age wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2025 12:23 am
puto wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 11:08 am You cannot know something that is false. A 'true belief' is from our perspective and therefore subjective.
So, the claim that human beings, in the day when this is being written, all agree that God does not exist, for example, is NOT some thing that you can know is false, right "puto"?
Scepticism that any of our beliefs are justified? The 'true belief' analysis is from our perspective between knowing and opinion.

Re: Paradox

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:09 pm
by Age
puto wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 10:29 am
Age wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2025 12:23 am
puto wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 11:08 am You cannot know something that is false. A 'true belief' is from our perspective and therefore subjective.
So, the claim that human beings, in the day when this is being written, all agree that God does not exist, for example, is NOT some thing that you can know is false, right "puto"?
Scepticism that any of our beliefs are justified? The 'true belief' analysis is from our perspective between knowing and opinion.
Here 'we' have ANOTHER PRIME example of another one who has completely and utterly MISSED 'the ACTUAL point' that I was making.

Re: Paradox

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:31 pm
by Age
Fairy wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2025 1:16 pm
puto wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 11:08 am You cannot know something that is false. A 'true belief' is from our perspective and therefore subjective.
Ok, after some deep thought, I get what you’re saying now.

That’s a good one. Like it. 👍
It is VERY EASY and VERY EASY TO KNOW some thing is False or True, ABSOLUTELY, IRREFUTABLY, FOR CERTAINTY, WITHOUT ANY DOUBT, and/or FOR SURE. And, which is WHY so-called 'true belief' is subjective ONLY.

See, how to obtain IRREFUTABLE KNOWING, or the Truth is things, is done NOT just through subjectivity ONLY but through objectivity AS WELL.

you human beings just NEED TO, FIRST, LEARN HOW-TO 'LOOK AT' and 'SEE' things OBJECTIVELY, and NOT just SUBJECTIVELY ONLY, BEFORE you to could access this Truly VERY SIMPLE and VERY EASY ability, properly, and Correctly. But like with ALL new things you human beings just NEED TO FIRST LEARN the HOW-TO of DOING them, BEFORE you can accomplish them, SUCCESSFULLY.

Re: Paradox

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2025 3:22 pm
by Fairy
Age wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:31 pm
Fairy wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2025 1:16 pm
puto wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 11:08 am You cannot know something that is false. A 'true belief' is from our perspective and therefore subjective.
Ok, after some deep thought, I get what you’re saying now.

That’s a good one. Like it. 👍
It is VERY EASY and VERY EASY TO KNOW some thing is False or True, ABSOLUTELY, IRREFUTABLY, FOR CERTAINTY, WITHOUT ANY DOUBT, and/or FOR SURE. And, which is WHY so-called 'true belief' is subjective ONLY.

See, how to obtain IRREFUTABLE KNOWING, or the Truth is things, is done NOT just through subjectivity ONLY but through objectivity AS WELL.

you human beings just NEED TO, FIRST, LEARN HOW-TO 'LOOK AT' and 'SEE' things OBJECTIVELY, and NOT just SUBJECTIVELY ONLY, BEFORE you to could access this Truly VERY SIMPLE and VERY EASY ability, properly, and Correctly. But like with ALL new things you human beings just NEED TO FIRST LEARN the HOW-TO of DOING them, BEFORE you can accomplish them, SUCCESSFULLY.
Puto’s idea resonates with me more than your comment here.

So I don’t entirely agree with your comment. Puto put it more clearly and succinctly imo.

Re: Paradox

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2025 10:15 pm
by Age
Fairy wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 3:22 pm
Age wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:31 pm
Fairy wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2025 1:16 pm

Ok, after some deep thought, I get what you’re saying now.

That’s a good one. Like it. 👍
It is VERY EASY and VERY EASY TO KNOW some thing is False or True, ABSOLUTELY, IRREFUTABLY, FOR CERTAINTY, WITHOUT ANY DOUBT, and/or FOR SURE. And, which is WHY so-called 'true belief' is subjective ONLY.

See, how to obtain IRREFUTABLE KNOWING, or the Truth is things, is done NOT just through subjectivity ONLY but through objectivity AS WELL.

you human beings just NEED TO, FIRST, LEARN HOW-TO 'LOOK AT' and 'SEE' things OBJECTIVELY, and NOT just SUBJECTIVELY ONLY, BEFORE you to could access this Truly VERY SIMPLE and VERY EASY ability, properly, and Correctly. But like with ALL new things you human beings just NEED TO FIRST LEARN the HOW-TO of DOING them, BEFORE you can accomplish them, SUCCESSFULLY.
Puto’s idea resonates with me more than your comment here.

So I don’t entirely agree with your comment. Puto put it more clearly and succinctly imo.
Okay, but if some thing is obviously 'existing', or 'false', then it CAN BE KNOWN.

And, EVERY 'thought' ir 'knowing' is, essentially, subjective.

Also, what you do not, entirely, or in part, agree with, or not, has absolutely NO bearing on what is ACTUALLY True, nor False, in Life.

Re: Paradox

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2025 10:23 pm
by Fairy
Age wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 10:15 pm
Fairy wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 3:22 pm
Age wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 12:31 pm

It is VERY EASY and VERY EASY TO KNOW some thing is False or True, ABSOLUTELY, IRREFUTABLY, FOR CERTAINTY, WITHOUT ANY DOUBT, and/or FOR SURE. And, which is WHY so-called 'true belief' is subjective ONLY.

See, how to obtain IRREFUTABLE KNOWING, or the Truth is things, is done NOT just through subjectivity ONLY but through objectivity AS WELL.

you human beings just NEED TO, FIRST, LEARN HOW-TO 'LOOK AT' and 'SEE' things OBJECTIVELY, and NOT just SUBJECTIVELY ONLY, BEFORE you to could access this Truly VERY SIMPLE and VERY EASY ability, properly, and Correctly. But like with ALL new things you human beings just NEED TO FIRST LEARN the HOW-TO of DOING them, BEFORE you can accomplish them, SUCCESSFULLY.
Puto’s idea resonates with me more than your comment here.

So I don’t entirely agree with your comment. Puto put it more clearly and succinctly imo.
Okay, but if some thing is obviously 'existing', or 'false', then it CAN BE KNOWN.

And, EVERY 'thought' ir 'knowing' is, essentially, subjective.

Also, what you do not, entirely, or in part, agree with, or not, has absolutely NO bearing on what is ACTUALLY True, nor False, in Life.
No one cares.

Re: Paradox

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2025 10:28 pm
by Age
Fairy wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 10:23 pm
Age wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 10:15 pm
Fairy wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 3:22 pm
Puto’s idea resonates with me more than your comment here.

So I don’t entirely agree with your comment. Puto put it more clearly and succinctly imo.
Okay, but if some thing is obviously 'existing', or 'false', then it CAN BE KNOWN.

And, EVERY 'thought' ir 'knowing' is, essentially, subjective.

Also, what you do not, entirely, or in part, agree with, or not, has absolutely NO bearing on what is ACTUALLY True, nor False, in Life.
No one cares.
So, absolutely NO one, including obviously those in a philosophy forum, cares about what is ACTUALLY True in Life.

you come, here, to just PRESENT your OWN unsubstantiated views, alone, which includes your OWN unsubstantiated view that NO cares about what is ACTUALLY True and Right, and, False and Wrong, in Life, correct?

Re: Paradox

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2025 8:55 am
by Fairy
Age wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 10:28 pm
Fairy wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 10:23 pm
Age wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 10:15 pm

Okay, but if some thing is obviously 'existing', or 'false', then it CAN BE KNOWN.

And, EVERY 'thought' ir 'knowing' is, essentially, subjective.

Also, what you do not, entirely, or in part, agree with, or not, has absolutely NO bearing on what is ACTUALLY True, nor False, in Life.
No one cares.
So, absolutely NO one, including obviously those in a philosophy forum, cares about what is ACTUALLY True in Life.

you come, here, to just PRESENT your OWN unsubstantiated views, alone, which includes your OWN unsubstantiated view that NO cares about what is ACTUALLY True and Right, and, False and Wrong, in Life, correct?
People care about truth. That’s why they invent their own unique truths.

People just don’t care about your truth Age. The AGE version of truth. No one seems to care about your truth, that’s all I meant.

Re: Paradox

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2025 9:04 am
by Wizard22
Fairy wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2025 2:40 pm What created nothing?
Nothing.

Fairy wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2025 8:55 amPeople care about truth. That’s why they invent their own unique truths.

People just don’t care about your truth Age. The AGE version of truth. No one seems to care about your truth, that’s all I meant.
Well said. Severely autistic people don't seem to understand, or want to understand, other people's perspectives--lack of empathy.

Re: Paradox

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2025 10:09 am
by puto
Philosopher Barry Stroud: 'We aspire in philosophy to see ourselves as knowing all or most of the
things we think we know and to understand how all that knowledge is possible. We want an explanation,
not just of this or that item or piece of knowledge, but of knowledge, or knowledge of a certain kind,
in general
. (1994: 296).
Summed up we search after truth. Giving, our reasoning powers observation. You do this by a proposition a method that of analytic and synthetic. The disposition of thoughts on any subject to find unknown truths.

Re: Paradox

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2025 1:29 pm
by Age
Fairy wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2025 8:55 am
Age wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 10:28 pm
Fairy wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 10:23 pm

No one cares.
So, absolutely NO one, including obviously those in a philosophy forum, cares about what is ACTUALLY True in Life.

you come, here, to just PRESENT your OWN unsubstantiated views, alone, which includes your OWN unsubstantiated view that NO cares about what is ACTUALLY True and Right, and, False and Wrong, in Life, correct?
People care about truth. That’s why they invent their own unique truths.
Although some of your OWN UNIQUE truths have absolutely NO RESEMBLANCE, AT ALL, WITH the ACTUAL IRREFUTABLE Truth, of things.
Fairy wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2025 8:55 am People just don’t care about your truth Age.
you have COMPLETELY and UTTERLY made A MISTAKE, here. But, 'your OWN UNIQUE truth' WILL PREVENT you FROM EVER FINDING OUT what that IS, EXACTLY.
Fairy wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2025 8:55 am The AGE version of truth.
LOL

you can KEEP 'tying', here, "fairy", but it is NOT WORKING.
Fairy wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2025 8:55 am No one seems to care about your truth, that’s all I meant.
Well that WAS ALREADY OBVIOUS, WAY EARLIER.

Re: Paradox

Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2025 1:30 pm
by Age
Wizard22 wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2025 9:04 am
Fairy wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2025 2:40 pm What created nothing?
Nothing.

Fairy wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2025 8:55 amPeople care about truth. That’s why they invent their own unique truths.

People just don’t care about your truth Age. The AGE version of truth. No one seems to care about your truth, that’s all I meant.
Well said. Severely autistic people don't seem to understand, or want to understand, other people's perspectives--lack of empathy.
LOL
LOL
LOL

What is YOUR, ACTUAL, PERSPECTIVE, here, "wizard22"?

Also, did ANY one ELSE NOTICE that "Wizard22" just ADMITTED NOT UNDERSTANDING, NOR WANTING TO UNDERSTAND, ANY one ELSE's PERSPECTIVES, here. Which, according to "wizard22's" OW 'lack of empathy'.