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Posted: **Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:14 am**

Impenitent wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:56 pm
Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2025 10:19 am
Impenitent wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 1:13 pm if there are no humans to make the observation and categorization, it doesn't exist

millions of years ago before humans appeared, dinosaurs roamed the planet

but no, no, no! there were no humans, dinosaurs didn't exist!

-Imp
But, something first must exist before any knowledge of something can be negated to exist.
The claim things do not exist is to simultaneously imply they do exist. It takes something to negate something. But nothing cannot negate nothing.
no, nothing is nothing - to claim that nothing is negative means that some nothing is less than nothing

when you deny thing permission, you may say no thing

hello darkness my old friend

-Imp

Nothingness is the distinction of existence as absence. We know a thing by what it is not, the absence of a thing relative to another this is no-thing, nothing.

Posted: **Tue Jan 28, 2025 11:50 am**

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:14 am
Nothingness is the distinction of existence as absence. We know a thing by what it is not, the absence of a thing relative to another this is no-thing, nothing.

Yes, we know a thing by what it is not, and never by what it is, which would imply we already know what a thing is before we know what a thing is.

Posted: **Tue Jan 28, 2025 11:53 am**

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 11:50 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:14 am
Nothingness is the distinction of existence as absence. We know a thing by what it is not, the absence of a thing relative to another this is no-thing, nothing.
Yes, we know a thing by what it is not, and never by what it is, which would imply we already know what a thing is before we know what a thing is.

And not what the thing is not is in turn the thing, thus resulting in identity being contradictory.

Posted: **Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:03 pm**

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 11:53 am
Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 11:50 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:14 am
Nothingness is the distinction of existence as absence. We know a thing by what it is not, the absence of a thing relative to another this is no-thing, nothing.
Yes, we know a thing by what it is not, and never by what it is, which would imply we already know what a thing is before we know what a thing is.
And not what the thing is not is in turn the thing, thus resulting in identity being contradictory.

perfect!

Posted: **Sat Feb 01, 2025 3:44 am**

HI My 1st post here on this forum,, Lots of interesting discussions on this thread,
I'll just jump in with this thought about
The Paradoix.
Most folks do not understand just how paradoxal is our world. Take all levels of government.Ostensibly for our civil good, yet most often deliver bad results = high taxes w minor benifits.
Take chrsitainity, supposingly something good, yet when we read the history, its all civil wars and ahte among its ranks.
Take the bible, The sayings of Yeshua even in Paul, Nearly every line of Yeshua's teachings are paradox, Which is why christians have never understood the bible.,, a mind not focused, trained to see and undersatnd the deeper meanings = The Paradox,, will only make matters worse. Ending in confusion,,The confusions, errors in reading the bible has nothing to do w the paradoxal methods of the scriptures, the fault lies with the inquirer who has not developed YET a mind able to grasp The Paradox.
God does this fora reason.
In my researches one day,, I came across the name of a minor figure in 16th C, early protestant history, that of Sebastian Franck, His major work, Paradoxa. From skimming over his bk,, I realized I could find a scripture to counter every other scripture/saying of Yeshua. The entire bible is full of paradoxes,
all for a reason
So this concept paradox is of critical important for todays confusing, contradictory epoch/. ,,,if my spelling is poor please be considerate, and grammar also lousey,, I am what is called plain speak, I HATE and despise polished rhetoric.although i must study Cicero in appreciations of this unique gift. ohhh no paradox, Hate it yet facinates.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Franck

Posted: **Sun Mar 09, 2025 2:51 am**

paulbest wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 3:44 am HI My 1st post here on this forum,, Lots of interesting discussions on this thread,
I'll just jump in with this thought about
The Paradoix.
Most folks do not understand just how paradoxal is our world. Take all levels of government.Ostensibly for our civil good, yet most often deliver bad results = high taxes w minor benifits.
Take chrsitainity, supposingly something good, yet when we read the history, its all civil wars and ahte among its ranks.
Take the bible, The sayings of Yeshua even in Paul, Nearly every line of Yeshua's teachings are paradox, Which is why christians have never understood the bible.,, a mind not focused, trained to see and undersatnd the deeper meanings = The Paradox,, will only make matters worse. Ending in confusion,,The confusions, errors in reading the bible has nothing to do w the paradoxal methods of the scriptures, the fault lies with the inquirer who has not developed YET a mind able to grasp The Paradox.
God does this fora reason.
In my researches one day,, I came across the name of a minor figure in 16th C, early protestant history, that of Sebastian Franck, His major work, Paradoxa. From skimming over his bk,, I realized I could find a scripture to counter every other scripture/saying of Yeshua. The entire bible is full of paradoxes,
all for a reason
So this concept paradox is of critical important for todays confusing, contradictory epoch/. ,,,if my spelling is poor please be considerate, and grammar also lousey,, I am what is called plain speak, I HATE and despise polished rhetoric.although i must study Cicero in appreciations of this unique gift. ohhh no paradox, Hate it yet facinates.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Franck

You do not seem to be a very careful reader of the Bible.
What do you make of several passages in the Book, in the OT and NT which tells you that it is sealed to man's understanding until a certain time in human history?

Some people do not believe it. Most dismiss it. Others claim that this time is past, some go looking for some kind of decoder ring thinking there is some mysterious message.

What is your view?

Posted: **Mon Mar 10, 2025 9:59 am**

A paradox is reasonable assumptions yet has absurd consequences.

Posted: **Mon Mar 10, 2025 10:01 am**

puto wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 9:59 am A paradox is reasonable assumptions yet has absurd consequences.

That is 'your' definition.

Now, combine 'that one', with the 'countless other ones', and there is NO WONDER WHY there is SO MUCH MISUNDERSTANDING, and thus CONFUSION, in 'the world'.

Posted: **Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:01 am**

An epistemological definition of the term, "Paradox." If you knew how they worked, you would understand them.

Posted: **Sat May 31, 2025 3:40 am**

puto wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:01 am An epistemological definition of the term, "Paradox." If you knew how they worked, you would understand them.

You want an epistemological definition without a definition of epistemological that is epistemological.

Posted: **Sat May 31, 2025 4:03 pm**

homeless boats without a single let alone a paradox...

-Imp

Posted: **Sun Jun 01, 2025 8:00 am**

Eodnhoj7

Just for a definition of a word, why not? Be epistemological, but I thought you were wisdom, and not knowledge?

Posted: **Sun Jun 01, 2025 11:37 pm**

puto wrote: ↑Sun Jun 01, 2025 8:00 am
Eodnhoj7
Just for a definition of a word, why not? Be epistemological, but I thought you were wisdom, and not knowledge?

The application of definition is how language bends and transforms, the depth of wisdom I have learned in pursuing the art of rhetoric and articulation is embodied strictly in the symbol of a snake charmer where the snake is relativity and the charmer is the empty eyes the snake is hypnotized by.

But enough fun with word games on my part...the point stands: there is no epistemological definition of "epistemology" without creating a symbolic ourobos within the subconsciousness of those in the dialogue...you feel?

Posted: **Mon Jun 02, 2025 11:30 am**

Eodnhoj7

You need help ... Period. You are on some ego trip on word play.

Posted: **Tue Jun 03, 2025 4:39 am**

puto wrote: ↑Mon Jun 02, 2025 11:30 am
Eodnhoj7
You need help ... Period. You are on some ego trip on word play.

I like how when a person seeks to master something in this day and age, language/rhetoric in this specific case, everyone accuses them of narcissism, in one form or another...like being a "good" person is to play video games, get high and sleep around and talk about "tolerance" all day for their weekly deep conversation with a friend...then go back to being a self employed social media visionary for the rest of the week.

Do you understand those words? Or did I make the error of being too polite?

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