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Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 1:37 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:22 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2025 7:46 pm

I totally hear you Eod.

Thanks, I relate to most if not everything you say, and that's rare for me to be like that when I'm in the company of others. Mind you, I can't be in the company of most people anymore, most of them would think I was totally bat shit nuts, so I tend to prefer to be bat shit nuts alone these days, save spreading the virus. I'm really thoughtful like that. Lol, Yikes!!

You are too thoughtful...I am not, lol, but maybe that is a good quality you have that I should develop in myself or rather never should have neglected...I am known as a bull in a China shop because of I have developed both the blessing and curse of not giving a f'''. It's not the bull's fault it is in the China shop nor it's fault for being a bull...it's the owner's for building the shop around the bull.

I hear you bro. Tell me about it.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:22 amAnyhow,

Your not missing anything in regards to people, as I suspect you already know, I have had the extremes at one time or another of being the popular life of the show and totally alone without anyone....ironically they are the same thing, I have felt just as alone in both states and I have learned to accept the trial of metaphorical abyss like a fish in the ocean, at least that is what I am cultivating for the time.

I totally feel same way about my life bro.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:22 amIsolation, whether internal or external, teaches us to face the depths of the unknown, both it's beauties and horrors. The sufferings that come with it can be a gift...sometimes. And when it is not a gift it paradoxically becomes a greater gift by sharpening who one is and providing an opportunity to cultivate where one is lacking... what one is not.

Couldn't agree more, thanks. I actually love people who can express themselves honestly, openly, and get straight to the facts and truth about life, which is indifferent, raw and has totally run out of give a f*'s ....So I might as well, since I'm on a roll, just throw this out there, here goes, oh dear, here it comes...Argh!! I cannot stand religious or spiritual people, especially those who have lived and are still living extremely ''Wholesome'' lives..if you know what I mean. Those people who just want to be liked.

I'm not like that, I don't want people to like me, or love me for that matter.. That's my job.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:22 amBut as to the current climate of people, and I emphasize 'current climate' as all things in this world are transitory:

People are cold hearted and relatively 'dumb' in various degrees, emphasis on the words 'relative' and 'dumb', because they are distracted with the excessive technology and fear making any sense of sacrifice that would interfere with thier identities constructed around the pursuit of pleasure and the avoidance of pain...and the deepest darkest pleasure is the identities we constructed, the stories we weave of ourselves to provide a cathartic warmth that kills the inherent tragic suffering of life. But this catharsis suffocates the soul allowing for a deeper tragedy of never being fully emerged within the paradox of life, the paradox of existence, as these paradoxes are what transform us into gaining a deeper freedom, a deeper truth of letting things occur naturally and genuinely.

I could literally listen to this kind of venting all day, it's just raw fact, that most deny, preferring to hide behind their fake smiley faces.
I thought about this many times, how maybe GOOD people just turn BAD for whatever reason. Seems like that's what happens a lot within human societies.
That's why I have problem relating to other people in physical proximity these days, I'm ok chatting online, but being around people in the flesh just makes me feel as though I'm not one of them, and that I do not seem to be vibrating at the same energetic frequency levels as most other people, which leaves me preferring to spend all of my precious time with the one who is always 100% reliable, most valuable, and who is of the most highest importance when it comes to the top of my priority list, and that one is ''myself'' of course. No kidding.

I'm always blissfully happy when I'm single, than when I'm in a relationship with someone. Not that there is anything wrong with other people, it's just that I like to be my unconditional self, but always feel like I can't be like that when I'm around others.
One thing I've noticed a lot, is that the human ego, or mind, always wants to take a position where relationships are concerned, the involvement can become a battle of position taking which is not really my vibe, or my style, like for example: they might say something like.. I do not love you like that, I love you like this, or I'm not liking this if it's going to be like that, or this, or the other.
I just can't deal with all that crap anymore. I've tried relationships, thinking they will work out, but they never do, maybe it's just me, I don't know, but one thing I do know is that I am always happier when I'm single.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:22 amThey, people I mean, generally only pay attention to how they can get people to pay attention to them not knowing that the people they think are paying attention to them are paying attention to themselves for the same reason. Noone pays attention to eachother because they are trying to impress eachother. It is quite a tragic joke, an irony of the human condition.

That is so true, well in my own experience anyway. I just can't stand the pressure and the expectations that seem to be an inevitable part of relationship dynamics, where the relationships are always going to be more about trade off's. I can't be arsed playing those petty mind games with people. I'm just so done and over that sort of carry on stuff.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:22 amEveryone is driven by a vacuum within that they are trying to fill with the various pleasures, primarily that of the psuedo-love of other's called 'fame' or 'popularity'. That is not the case for all people, it's more of the general climate of the times. Rather than accepting the emptiness with a steadfast resilience cultivated by acceptance, they seek to fill it only to perpetuate tragedy and suffering under unnecessary and unnatural constructed judgments.

I totally agree, it's like why would anyone want to put themselves in situations like those anyway, and for what, what would they possibly even get out of it is beyond me. Life is just too short, so it's wiser and best to just live your best, life is about making it the best, for me, and so for me, it's like, if I want a job doing well, then I'll just jolly well do it myself, and that's what I'm doing, and doing really well, these days.

Anyways.. I enjoy the way you write in a metaphysical style, I enjoy reading your writing and how you explain all things metaphysical. And will continue to enjoy reading your stuff as long as you continue to write it.

In my opinion, every concept is a metaphysical concept, because every concept has ultimately come from nothing, and then paradoxically that nothing turns into something, even though it's really just nothing at all, actually. There is nothing to talk about, and nothing to do. So that's why we talk and think of things to do. LOL To distract ourselves from the great big inky deep.

Half the stuff I talk about, I've already forgotten what I've even said, 2 minutes later anyway, so it's all just meaningless jibber jabber, mumbo jumbo. I love to sit in silence for hours after every ranting vent. Just staring transfixed at the awesomeness of a tree for hours on end, is more exciting than being with some people, in my humble opinion.

I mean, what did I say last Wednesday at 3pm ? ... damned if I know, or even care, it's not like I want to live in the past either, so no point in making a diary either for that matter.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 7:46 pm Thanks Eod, for your wise and supporting comments. It's very admirable and generous of you to be so open about your own feelings on the matter with a complete stranger.

I do appreciate our exchanges.

My problem is me, of course. I'm riddled with heartbreak and psychological emotional trauma to be totally honest. Don't know if I'll ever heal 100%, but what I do know for certain is who I am authentically beyond the fake mask of egocentricity.
I discovered a long time ago that there are many subdivisions or aspects of 'myself' insofar as there are many attributes, or sides to me, there's light and dark, very dark, and lots of grey areas, all of which do not define me, as my true self is completely sound and intact, unharmed and in the drivers seat so to speak, what I mean is, I know I am being lived, and it's not me who is driving my engine, so I completely 100% surrender and trust only in that which is beating my heart.

I have become very aware in the sense that I am simply a temporal wave, a mere fractional aspect of the whole ocean, which is still the whole ocean.
And so have intuitively known this most of my life. I've also accepted that I cannot form satisfying relationships with people who have not experienced the same if not similar intense awakening I have. It's like I'm not here anymore, and that emptiness that I have become, would be just so unfair of me to expect relationships to work with people who have not heard of Nonduality. I should not be getting involved with other people, already knowing this about myself and knowing the whole world in general is an illusion. This may sound selfish or narcissistic, but I'd rather sojourn through my temporal life alone, I guess it just feels so right for me personally. It's the right thing for me to do, and is probably why I have never really felt comfortable in regular relationships that others seem to form so effortlessly and naturally. It's never really come naturally to me, there seems to be a sensitivity around the idea of feeling like I am being owned, coupled by the sense of feeling trapped and constrained by the demands and needs of other people. I even felt trapped in my previous 18 year marriage, with a guy who I loved dearly, so even as I dearly love people, I just cannot be with them physically anymore. I'm just no good at that sort of thing, it actually feels unnatural for me. I don't even know why on earth I feel that way.

But I do know I am stronger on my own, because there's always been a nagging feeling of being weakened when I'm attempting intimate committed relationships with others. I just know I need to be alone now.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 8:27 pm “If you love a flower, don’t pick it up.
Because if you pick it up it dies and it ceases to be what you love.
So if you love a flower, let it be.
Love is not about possession.
Love is about appreciation.”

That's my take on what love actually means.


“When I accept myself just as I am, then I change.” — Carl Rogers, The Curious Paradox.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 6:13 am
That is half the truth, but it is a truth. The more conditions a person's contentment is grounded on the more there identity is set on shifting sands while dually they are to divided to have any real appreciation for what they do have. Self-reflection is not narcissistic for how we approach ourselves is how we approach other's. In respecting and healing yourself you will inevitably respect and heal other's...we are all interconnected for better or for worse. Mankind has to be reminded we are purely our brother's keeper and this process begins with how we keep ourselves. A solo journey can give clarity to this.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 6:13 amThe other half is the inherent "forced grasping mentality" of the modern world. Impulse driven consumerism that sets the foundations for the values of exploitation where all, including people, are strictly relegated to a means of entertainment to divert boredom so the personal demons and leveling ego killing silence can be ignored. Our interactions with the world inherently plants and waters seeds within us that either blossom to our benefit or suffocate us. The current climate of the world is one of suffocation. That is it's current nature.

It is beneficial to recognize the inherent uncultivated darkness within, and yes addressing it is necessary, but you but you have to look at the whole picture and see the context you exist in as the context we exist within has influence on us regardless of the degree, or even whether, one is consciously aware of it.

I believe the best approach in your solo journey is to cultivate a balance of appreciation, for the lighter aspects of you that allow a sense of levity, and a sense of sorrow, for the dark uncultivated aspects that result in an unnecessary internal gravity. Simple things that give you contentment should be appreciated, complicated and unnecessary desires should be removed, or at least minimalized if that is all you can do for the moment. Practice this balancing meditation daily so you gain a deeper form of awareness that allows a fuller life, and try to live and be as simple as you can for with simplicity comes a more genuine approach to one's journey.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 6:13 amThe transformative power of suffering allows one to let go of the unnecessary.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 9:06 am If everything is an illusion, then why can't pain be imagined away?