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Re: The Truth
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:55 pm
by Age
Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:48 pm
Age wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:29 pm
Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 9:46 am
Can information inform a Final Truth? .. Is there a Final Truth?
The answers would all depend on what you mean by 'Final Truth'.
Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 9:46 am
When information looks as though it is new, but then more information comes in that looks even newer than the previous new.
I am not sure what you are meaning here. That is; if you are meaning any thing here.
I mean will there be a final truth that a finite human can have access to.
Again, it all depends on what you mean by 'final truth', exactly.
But, you finite human beings can, and did already, gain access to the Truth.
Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:48 pm
Will there ever be a new piece of information that becomes the last piece of information where no more new information is available leaving the final truth to be all that’s left to be known ?
The Universe being infinite and eternal means there will always be 'more' to discover, find out, and uncover.
But, there are also Truths, like, for example, how can 'we' human beings, finally, start to begin to live in peace and in harmony with one another, as One. Which is information that has 'end point', which can be accessed, as 'it' has already been accessed.
Re: The Truth
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 9:51 pm
by Walker
Age wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:42 pm
Again, you keep making inferences, here, which obviously could be completely False.
Not really. Because the pre-language knowledge of self-existence is the only thing known for certain, then nothing can be completely false for certain.
On the bilaterally symmetrical bell-curve-of-truth diagram, with falseness on the left and truth on the right, rational inferences based on what's happening now and then, have a high probability of landing between the right shoulder and chime of the bell form, with profundities nearer the chime where I Am belongs as certain truth.
Re: The Truth
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 9:57 pm
by Walker
Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 10:39 am
That's the hard problem of KNOWLEDGE ...
Shirley Fairies know by now that problems, like freedom, is a state of mind. An organic and spontaneous view, if you will.
Re: The Truth
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 10:26 pm
by Fairy
Walker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 9:57 pm
Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 10:39 am
That's the hard problem of KNOWLEDGE ...
Shirley Fairies know by now that problems, like freedom, is a state of mind. An organic and spontaneous view, if you will.
Only for knowers.
For knowers, it’s like when they run out of problems, they just invent new ones.
Re: The Truth
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:24 am
by Age
Walker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 9:51 pm
Age wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:42 pm
Again, you keep making inferences, here, which obviously could be completely False.
Not really. Because the pre-language knowledge of self-existence is the only thing known for certain, then nothing can be completely false for certain.
Who here ever suggested such thing?
I, obviously, certainly never did.
Walker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 9:51 pm
On the bilaterally symmetrical bell-curve-of-truth diagram, with falseness on the left and truth on the right, rational inferences based on what's happening now and then, have a high probability of landing between the right shoulder and chime of the bell form, with profundities nearer the chime where I Am belongs as certain truth.
But, you claim that there is only One thing that can be known, for certain, or with certainty. So, literally, this means that absolutely EVERY other claim, is an inference, which, by definition, means that they all could be False, and/or Wrong, correct?
Re: The Truth
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 7:39 am
by Walker
Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:24 am
Walker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 9:51 pm
Age wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:42 pm
Again, you keep making inferences, here, which obviously could be completely False.
Not really. Because the pre-language knowledge of self-existence is the only thing known for certain, then nothing can be completely false for certain.
Who here ever suggested such thing?
I, obviously, certainly never did.
Walker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 9:51 pm
On the bilaterally symmetrical bell-curve-of-truth diagram, with falseness on the left and truth on the right, rational inferences based on what's happening now and then, have a high probability of landing between the right shoulder and chime of the bell form, with profundities nearer the chime where I Am belongs as certain truth.
But, you claim that there is only One thing that can be known, for certain, or with certainty. So, literally, this means that absolutely EVERY other claim, is an inference, which, by definition, means that they all could be False, and/or Wrong, correct?
You can't know that for sure because of human limitations, as previously explained, so one acts upon the perceived highest probability of correlating action with intent for a desired result, however perceived high probability is not certainty ... and neither is low probability. This explains why Age sometimes spills his drinks and makes a mess.
Re: The Truth
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 7:51 am
by Walker
Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 10:26 pm
Walker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 9:57 pm
Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 10:39 am
That's the hard problem of KNOWLEDGE ...
Shirley Fairies know by now that problems, like freedom, is a state of mind. An organic and spontaneous view, if you will.
Only for knowers.
For knowers, it’s like when they run out of problems, they just invent new ones.
Well, even though the statement you may be referencing actually applies to fairies named Shirley, that statement does not exclude knowers of higher probabilities made possible by the presence of elements perceived as more influential than less important elements.
For example, because the Democrat Party That Hates America stabbed Joe Biden in the back and took away the possibility of his second term in office (as he sees it), this increased the probability of him undermining the efforts of those who forced him out. Since he and Kamalala are still politically, officially linked in the ruling administration, his political gutter instincts guided him to publicly declare that Trump supporters are garbage.
And because he is savvy, Trump's political instincts and natural kindness caused Trump to immediately, publicly say that Biden should be forgiven for that false and cruel statement ... and we all know why he should be forgiven.
Re: The Truth
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 1:16 pm
by Age
Walker wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 7:39 am
Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:24 am
Walker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 9:51 pm
Not really. Because the pre-language knowledge of self-existence is the only thing known for certain, then nothing can be completely false for certain.
Who here ever suggested such thing?
I, obviously, certainly never did.
Walker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 9:51 pm
On the bilaterally symmetrical bell-curve-of-truth diagram, with falseness on the left and truth on the right, rational inferences based on what's happening now and then, have a high probability of landing between the right shoulder and chime of the bell form, with profundities nearer the chime where I Am belongs as certain truth.
But, you claim that there is only One thing that can be known, for certain, or with certainty. So, literally, this means that absolutely EVERY other claim, is an inference, which, by definition, means that they all could be False, and/or Wrong, correct?
You can't know that for sure because of human limitations,
you can not know 'what', for sure?
And, you have already informed 'us' that there is only one thing, only, that can be known, for sure. Which obviously means that everything else cannot be known, for sure, including, obviously, whatever 'it' is above that you are referring to here, right?
Walker wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 7:39 am
as previously explained, so one acts upon the perceived highest probability of correlating action with intent for a desired result, however perceived high probability is not certainty ... and neither is low probability. This explains why Age sometimes spills his drinks and makes a mess.
Just saying and claiming that 'another' so-called 'spills "his" drinks' and/or 'makes a mess' never ever necessarily mean that they had actually happened. Obviously you will have to first provide some examples, and, provide actual proof before your claim could ever be actually accepted.
Now, do you have the courage to provide some examples, and, the actual proof that backs up and supports your claim, here?
If yes, then will you provide the examples, and, the proof?
If yes, then great.
But, if no, then why not?
Re: The Truth
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:05 pm
by Fairy
Walker wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 7:51 am
Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 10:26 pm
Walker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 9:57 pm
Shirley Fairies know by now that problems, like freedom, is a state of mind. An organic and spontaneous view, if you will.
Only for knowers.
For knowers, it’s like when they run out of problems, they just invent new ones.
Well, even though the statement you may be referencing actually applies to fairies named Shirley, that statement does not exclude knowers of higher probabilities made possible by the presence of elements perceived as more influential than less important elements.
For example, because the Democrat Party That Hates America stabbed Joe Biden in the back and took away the possibility of his second term in office (as he sees it), this increased the probability of him undermining the efforts of those who forced him out. Since he and Kamalala are still politically, officially linked in the ruling administration, his political gutter instincts guided him to publicly declare that Trump supporters are garbage.
And because he is savvy, Trump's political instincts and natural kindness caused Trump to immediately, publicly say that Biden should be forgiven for that false and cruel statement ... and we all know why he should be forgiven.
Kindly disappear through a gap on the cattle grid when you are next allowed out of your farmland, there’s a good little tiny chap.
Re: The Truth
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:52 pm
by Walker
Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:05 pm
Kindly disappear through a gap on the cattle grid when you are next allowed out of your farmland, there’s a good little tiny chap.
Well, the truth is that a result of actual non-duality, rather than just word blather, is when testiness gets disconnected from
truth-hurts and releases the resulting energy to ride the up elevator, rather than yet another ride down to the old familiar, petty dank basement; however even if one can't find the up arrow in the elevator lobby the good news is, savvies need not be inspectors to enjoy the ride as a guest.
Re: The Truth
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:57 pm
by Walker
Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 1:16 pm
you can not know 'what', for sure?
Age, you’re ripe for discovering the beauty and wonder of ambiguities as doors to the unknown, perhaps even a bit over-ripe. Step through the door, Age, and see where it leads.
Re: The Truth
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:27 pm
by Walker
The truth is, this tune proclaims sexual-justification for irrationality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUmryGEGSWk
Re: The Truth
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 7:50 pm
by Fairy
Walker wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:52 pm
Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:05 pm
Kindly disappear through a gap on the cattle grid when you are next allowed out of your farmland, there’s a good little tiny chap.
Well, the truth is that a result of actual non-duality, rather than just word blather, is when testiness gets disconnected from
truth-hurts and releases the resulting energy to ride the up elevator, rather than yet another ride down to the old familiar, petty dank basement; however even if one can't find the up arrow in the elevator lobby the good news is, savvies need not be inspectors to enjoy the ride as a guest.
Shhh!
Re: The Truth
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 8:10 am
by Walker
Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 7:50 pm
Shhh!
Who the hell are you, to tell me, to Shhh!?
You're certainly not a licensed inspector, or a herding Corgy.
If you're a librarian, you're not in that realm anymore.
Tell it to yourself next time you have the urge to slander and libel someone.
Re: The Truth
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 8:38 am
by Fairy
Walker wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 8:10 am
Fairy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 7:50 pm
Shhh!
Who the hell are you, to tell me, to Shhh!?
You're certainly not a licensed inspector, or a herding Corgy.
If you're a librarian, you're not in that realm anymore.
Tell it to yourself next time you have the urge to slander and libel someone.
Shhh, I am no one, I am silence sounding.
Truth, real truth, is silent.
Truth spoken is just sound heard as words, that is empty noise, sourced from silence, the only truth.
No one knows anything. That's the truth that is never heard.
And this thread after all that's said and done here, is The Truth...the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Shush now, and let truth be. Shhhhhhh!
