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Atla wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:40 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:38 am I suggest you read the above responses thoroughly.

I didn't read it. I already countered anything ChatGPT has, now it's your turn.

Suddenly becoming an ostrich, you cannot escape from the real situation of where you IR stands and how it is based to the grounds.

What turn?
You responded to point 1-5 with charge of solipsism, hallucinations, illusions, no external world, science and I responded with above point 1-5, the ball is in your court, now it is your turn.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:48 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:40 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:38 am I suggest you read the above responses thoroughly.

I didn't read it. I already countered anything ChatGPT has, now it's your turn.

Suddenly becoming an ostrich, you cannot escape from the real situation of where you IR stands and how it is based to the grounds.

What turn?
You responded to point 1-5 and I responded as above point 1-5, the ball in in your court, now it is your turn.

You didn't respond to anything in years yourself, the ball has been in your court for years. I've shown that TI is solipsistic, Kantians just pretend that it isn't. Now it's your turn to counter it.

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:50 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:48 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:40 am
I didn't read it. I already countered anything ChatGPT has, now it's your turn.

Suddenly becoming an ostrich, you cannot escape from the real situation of where you IR stands and how it is based to the grounds.

What turn?
You responded to point 1-5 and I responded as above point 1-5, the ball in in your court, now it is your turn.

You didn't respond to anything in years yourself, the ball has been in your court for years. I've shown that TI is solipsistic, Kantians just pretend that it isn't. Now it's your turn to counter it.

Something wrong with your wires? You are not facing reality.

I have responded to your charge of solipsism, hallucination, illusions, etc. here:

Points 1-3
viewtopic.php?p=734605#p734605


Points 4-5
viewtopic.php?p=734609#p734609


With the conclusion:
These arguments show why TI-ER is more rational and practical than IR, not only from within Kant’s own framework but from a broader general perspective of how we engage with and understand the world.

Now it is your turn to counter them.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:55 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:50 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:48 am
Suddenly becoming an ostrich, you cannot escape from the real situation of where you IR stands and how it is based to the grounds.

What turn?
You responded to point 1-5 and I responded as above point 1-5, the ball in in your court, now it is your turn.

You didn't respond to anything in years yourself, the ball has been in your court for years. I've shown that TI is solipsistic, Kantians just pretend that it isn't. Now it's your turn to counter it.

Something wrong with your wires? You are not facing reality.

I have responded to your charge of solipsism, hallucination, illusions, etc. here:

Points 1-3
viewtopic.php?p=734605#p734605

Points 4-5
viewtopic.php?p=734609#p734609

Now it is your turn to counter them.

You didn't respond there either yourself. I've already beaten the best arguments from ChatGPT long ago, it's your turn to counter things with something better.

Of course that would require that you actually understand TI but you don't.

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:57 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:55 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:50 am
You didn't respond to anything in years yourself, the ball has been in your court for years. I've shown that TI is solipsistic, Kantians just pretend that it isn't. Now it's your turn to counter it.

Something wrong with your wires? You are not facing reality.

I have responded to your charge of solipsism, hallucination, illusions, etc. here:

Points 1-3
viewtopic.php?p=734605#p734605

Points 4-5
viewtopic.php?p=734609#p734609

Now it is your turn to counter them.

You didn't respond there either yourself. I've already beaten the best arguments from ChatGPT long ago, it's your turn to counter things with something better.

Of course that would require that you actually understand TI but you don't.

You are going looping with the same excuses, note the OP:

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 5:31 am You were dumb enough to make threads dedicated to indirect realism, where I've shown the superiority of IR over TI in more detail. You are unaware of this of course since the debate was over your head and you didn't even participate in it - I used AI to list the best arguments from the TI perspective, and then beat them.
viewtopic.php?p=704586#p704586

Say first 3 pages of this one. viewtopic.php?t=42063&start=1

You are not acting according to protocol and professionally:
Now that I have brought forth the points you accused me of missing and responded and culminating with;

With the conclusion:
These arguments show why TI-ER is more rational and practical than IR, not only from within Kant’s own framework but from a broader general perspective of how we engage with and understand the world.

You are bring back the same old excuses.

At present:
I have responded to your latest charge of solipsism, hallucination, illusions, etc. here:

Points 1-3
viewtopic.php?p=734605#p734605

Points 4-5
viewtopic.php?p=734609#p734609


With the conclusion:
These arguments show why TI-ER is more rational and practical than IR, not only from within Kant’s own framework but from a broader general perspective of how we engage with and understand the world.

Now it is your turn to counter them.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:59 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:57 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:55 am
Something wrong with your wires? You are not facing reality.

I have responded to your charge of solipsism, hallucination, illusions, etc. here:

Points 1-3
viewtopic.php?p=734605#p734605

Points 4-5
viewtopic.php?p=734609#p734609

Now it is your turn to counter them.

You didn't respond there either yourself. I've already beaten the best arguments from ChatGPT long ago, it's your turn to counter things with something better.

Of course that would require that you actually understand TI but you don't.

You are not acting according to protocol and professionally:

I have responded to your latest charge of solipsism, hallucination, illusions, etc. here:

Points 1-3
viewtopic.php?p=734605#p734605


Points 4-5
viewtopic.php?p=734609#p734609


With the conclusion:
These arguments show why TI-ER is more rational and practical than IR, not only from within Kant’s own framework but from a broader general perspective of how we engage with and understand the world.

Now it is your turn to counter them.

You didn't respond there either yourself. I've already beaten the best arguments from ChatGPT long ago, it's your turn to counter things with something better.

Of course that would require that you actually understand TI but you don't.

You don't even know how to write an argument for TI on your own.

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:03 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:59 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:57 am
You didn't respond there either yourself. I've already beaten the best arguments from ChatGPT long ago, it's your turn to counter things with something better.

Of course that would require that you actually understand TI but you don't.

You are not acting according to protocol and professionally:

I have responded to your latest charge of solipsism, hallucination, illusions, etc. here:

Points 1-3
viewtopic.php?p=734605#p734605


Points 4-5
viewtopic.php?p=734609#p734609


With the conclusion:
These arguments show why TI-ER is more rational and practical than IR, not only from within Kant’s own framework but from a broader general perspective of how we engage with and understand the world.

Now it is your turn to counter them.

You didn't respond there either yourself. I've already beaten the best arguments from ChatGPT long ago, it's your turn to counter things with something better.

Of course that would require that you actually understand TI but you don't.

You don't even know how to write an argument for TI on your own.

You are going looping with the same excuses, note the OP:

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 5:31 am You were dumb enough to make threads dedicated to indirect realism, where I've shown the superiority of IR over TI in more detail. You are unaware of this of course since the debate was over your head and you didn't even participate in it - I used AI to list the best arguments from the TI perspective, and then beat them.
viewtopic.php?p=704586#p704586

Say first 3 pages of this one. viewtopic.php?t=42063&start=1

You are not acting according to protocol and professionally:
Now that I have brought forth the points you accused me of missing and responded and culminating with;

With the conclusion:
These arguments show why TI-ER is more rational and practical than IR, not only from within Kant’s own framework but from a broader general perspective of how we engage with and understand the world.

You are bring back the same old excuses.

At present:
I have responded to your latest charge of solipsism, hallucination, illusions, etc. here:

Points 1-3
viewtopic.php?p=734605#p734605

Points 4-5
viewtopic.php?p=734609#p734609


With the conclusion:
These arguments show why TI-ER is more rational and practical than IR, not only from within Kant’s own framework but from a broader general perspective of how we engage with and understand the world.

Now it is your turn to counter them, don't be a coward.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:05 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:03 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:59 am
You are not acting according to protocol and professionally:

I have responded to your latest charge of solipsism, hallucination, illusions, etc. here:

Points 1-3
viewtopic.php?p=734605#p734605


Points 4-5
viewtopic.php?p=734609#p734609


With the conclusion:
These arguments show why TI-ER is more rational and practical than IR, not only from within Kant’s own framework but from a broader general perspective of how we engage with and understand the world.

Now it is your turn to counter them.

You didn't respond there either yourself. I've already beaten the best arguments from ChatGPT long ago, it's your turn to counter things with something better.

Of course that would require that you actually understand TI but you don't.

You don't even know how to write an argument for TI on your own.

You are going looping with the same excuses, note the OP:

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 5:31 am You were dumb enough to make threads dedicated to indirect realism, where I've shown the superiority of IR over TI in more detail. You are unaware of this of course since the debate was over your head and you didn't even participate in it - I used AI to list the best arguments from the TI perspective, and then beat them.
viewtopic.php?p=704586#p704586

Say first 3 pages of this one. viewtopic.php?t=42063&start=1

You are not acting according to protocol and professionally:
Now that I have brought forth the points you accused me of missing and responded and culminating with;

With the conclusion:
These arguments show why TI-ER is more rational and practical than IR, not only from within Kant’s own framework but from a broader general perspective of how we engage with and understand the world.

You are bring back the same old excuses.

At present:
I have responded to your latest charge of solipsism, hallucination, illusions, etc. here:

Points 1-3
viewtopic.php?p=734605#p734605

Points 4-5
viewtopic.php?p=734609#p734609


With the conclusion:
These arguments show why TI-ER is more rational and practical than IR, not only from within Kant’s own framework but from a broader general perspective of how we engage with and understand the world.

Now it is your turn to counter them, don't be a coward.

You didn't respond there either yourself. I've already beaten the best arguments from ChatGPT long ago, it's your turn to counter things with something better.

Of course that would require that you actually understand TI but you don't.

You don't even know how to write an argument for TI on your own.

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:08 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:05 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:03 am
You didn't respond there either yourself. I've already beaten the best arguments from ChatGPT long ago, it's your turn to counter things with something better.

Of course that would require that you actually understand TI but you don't.

You don't even know how to write an argument for TI on your own.

You are going looping with the same excuses, note the OP:

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 5:31 am You were dumb enough to make threads dedicated to indirect realism, where I've shown the superiority of IR over TI in more detail. You are unaware of this of course since the debate was over your head and you didn't even participate in it - I used AI to list the best arguments from the TI perspective, and then beat them.
viewtopic.php?p=704586#p704586

Say first 3 pages of this one. viewtopic.php?t=42063&start=1

You are not acting according to protocol and professionally:
Now that I have brought forth the points you accused me of missing and responded and culminating with;

With the conclusion:
These arguments show why TI-ER is more rational and practical than IR, not only from within Kant’s own framework but from a broader general perspective of how we engage with and understand the world.

You are bring back the same old excuses.

At present:
I have responded to your latest charge of solipsism, hallucination, illusions, etc. here:

Points 1-3
viewtopic.php?p=734605#p734605

Points 4-5
viewtopic.php?p=734609#p734609


With the conclusion:
These arguments show why TI-ER is more rational and practical than IR, not only from within Kant’s own framework but from a broader general perspective of how we engage with and understand the world.

Now it is your turn to counter them, don't be a coward.

You didn't respond there either yourself. I've already beaten the best arguments from ChatGPT long ago, it's your turn to counter things with something better.

Of course that would require that you actually understand TI but you don't.

You don't even know how to write an argument for TI on your own.

Something is really wrong with your wires.

You didn't respond there either yourself. I've already beaten the best arguments from ChatGPT long ago, it's your turn to counter things with something better.

I asked you which points I did not respond and you replied:

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 5:31 am You were dumb enough to make threads dedicated to indirect realism, where I've shown the superiority of IR over TI in more detail. You are unaware of this of course since the debate was over your head and you didn't even participate in it - I used AI to list the best arguments from the TI perspective, and then beat them.
viewtopic.php?p=704586#p704586

Say first 3 pages of this one. viewtopic.php?t=42063&start=1

So to be precise I raise this OP to address what you accused me of missing.

Whatever your latest charge, I have countered them

Points 1-3
viewtopic.php?p=734605#p734605

Points 4-5
viewtopic.php?p=734609#p734609

With the conclusion:
These arguments show why TI-ER is more rational and practical than IR, not only from within Kant’s own framework but from a broader general perspective of how we engage with and understand the world.

Answer the latest counters I have provided.
Don't be a coward.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:13 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:08 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:05 am
You are going looping with the same excuses, note the OP:


You are not acting according to protocol and professionally:
Now that I have brought forth the points you accused me of missing and responded and culminating with;

With the conclusion:
These arguments show why TI-ER is more rational and practical than IR, not only from within Kant’s own framework but from a broader general perspective of how we engage with and understand the world.

You are bring back the same old excuses.

At present:
I have responded to your latest charge of solipsism, hallucination, illusions, etc. here:

Points 1-3
viewtopic.php?p=734605#p734605

Points 4-5
viewtopic.php?p=734609#p734609


With the conclusion:
These arguments show why TI-ER is more rational and practical than IR, not only from within Kant’s own framework but from a broader general perspective of how we engage with and understand the world.

Now it is your turn to counter them, don't be a coward.

You didn't respond there either yourself. I've already beaten the best arguments from ChatGPT long ago, it's your turn to counter things with something better.

Of course that would require that you actually understand TI but you don't.

You don't even know how to write an argument for TI on your own.

Something is really wrong with your wires.

You didn't respond there either yourself. I've already beaten the best arguments from ChatGPT long ago, it's your turn to counter things with something better.

I asked you which points I did not respond and you replied:

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 5:31 am You were dumb enough to make threads dedicated to indirect realism, where I've shown the superiority of IR over TI in more detail. You are unaware of this of course since the debate was over your head and you didn't even participate in it - I used AI to list the best arguments from the TI perspective, and then beat them.
viewtopic.php?p=704586#p704586

Say first 3 pages of this one. viewtopic.php?t=42063&start=1

So to be precise I raise this OP to address what you accused me of missing.

Whatever your latest charge, I have countered them

Points 1-3
viewtopic.php?p=734605#p734605

Points 4-5
viewtopic.php?p=734609#p734609

With the conclusion:
These arguments show why TI-ER is more rational and practical than IR, not only from within Kant’s own framework but from a broader general perspective of how we engage with and understand the world.

Answer the latest counters I have provided.
Don't be a coward.

You didn't respond there either yourself. I've already beaten the best arguments from ChatGPT long ago, it's your turn to counter things with something better.

Of course that would require that you actually understand TI but you don't.

You don't even know how to write an argument for TI on your own.

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:15 am You didn't respond there either yourself. I've already beaten the best arguments from ChatGPT long ago, it's your turn to counter things with something better.

Of course that would require that you actually understand TI but you don't.

You don't even know how to write an argument for TI on your own.

You going round in circles.
Don't play childish games.

Earlier you claim the following:

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 5:31 am You were dumb enough to make threads dedicated to indirect realism, where I've shown the superiority of IR over TI in more detail. You are unaware of this of course since the debate was over your head and you didn't even participate in it - I used AI to list the best arguments from the TI perspective, and then beat them.
viewtopic.php?p=704586#p704586

I asked you where?
You directed me to the following:

Say first 3 pages of this one. viewtopic.php?t=42063&start=1

So I picked up the above and initiated my response in this OP to what you have accused me of avoiding:

I have provided all the counters to the points you have raised culminating in the conclusion;

These arguments show why TI-ER is more rational and practical than IR, not only from within Kant’s own framework but from a broader general perspective of how we engage with and understand the world.

It is your turn to counter why the conclusion is not so.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 4:03 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:15 am You didn't respond there either yourself. I've already beaten the best arguments from ChatGPT long ago, it's your turn to counter things with something better.

Of course that would require that you actually understand TI but you don't.

You don't even know how to write an argument for TI on your own.

You going round in circles.
Don't play childish games.

Earlier you claim the following:

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 5:31 am You were dumb enough to make threads dedicated to indirect realism, where I've shown the superiority of IR over TI in more detail. You are unaware of this of course since the debate was over your head and you didn't even participate in it - I used AI to list the best arguments from the TI perspective, and then beat them.
viewtopic.php?p=704586#p704586

I asked you where?
You directed me to the following:

Say first 3 pages of this one. viewtopic.php?t=42063&start=1

So I picked up the above and initiated my response in this OP to what you have accused me of avoiding:

I have provided all the counters to the points you have raised culminating in the conclusion;

These arguments show why TI-ER is more rational and practical than IR, not only from within Kant’s own framework but from a broader general perspective of how we engage with and understand the world.

It is your turn to counter why the conclusion is not so.

You didn't respond there either yourself. I've already beaten the best arguments from ChatGPT long ago, it's your turn to counter things with something better.

Of course that would require that you actually understand TI but you don't.

You don't even know how to write an argument for TI on your own.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 5:41 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 4:03 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:15 am You didn't respond there either yourself. I've already beaten the best arguments from ChatGPT long ago, it's your turn to counter things with something better.

Of course that would require that you actually understand TI but you don't.

You don't even know how to write an argument for TI on your own.

You going round in circles.
Don't play childish games.

Earlier you claim the following:

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2024 5:31 am You were dumb enough to make threads dedicated to indirect realism, where I've shown the superiority of IR over TI in more detail. You are unaware of this of course since the debate was over your head and you didn't even participate in it - I used AI to list the best arguments from the TI perspective, and then beat them.
viewtopic.php?p=704586#p704586

I asked you where?
You directed me to the following:

Say first 3 pages of this one. viewtopic.php?t=42063&start=1

So I picked up the above and initiated my response in this OP to what you have accused me of avoiding:

I have provided all the counters to the points you have raised culminating in the conclusion;

These arguments show why TI-ER is more rational and practical than IR, not only from within Kant’s own framework but from a broader general perspective of how we engage with and understand the world.

It is your turn to counter why the conclusion is not so.

You didn't respond there either yourself. I've already beaten the best arguments from ChatGPT long ago, it's your turn to counter things with something better.

Of course that would require that you actually understand TI but you don't.

You don't even know how to write an argument for TI on your own.

A broken record.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 6:12 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 5:41 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 4:03 am
You going round in circles.
Don't play childish games.

Earlier you claim the following:



I asked you where?
You directed me to the following:



So I picked up the above and initiated my response in this OP to what you have accused me of avoiding:

I have provided all the counters to the points you have raised culminating in the conclusion;

These arguments show why TI-ER is more rational and practical than IR, not only from within Kant’s own framework but from a broader general perspective of how we engage with and understand the world.

It is your turn to counter why the conclusion is not so.

You didn't respond there either yourself. I've already beaten the best arguments from ChatGPT long ago, it's your turn to counter things with something better.

Of course that would require that you actually understand TI but you don't.

You don't even know how to write an argument for TI on your own.

A broken record.

I agree, every time I make an argument, you copy something from an AI like a broken record, which means you don't know what the argument is about and just hope that the AI will. I've already went through what the AI has more than once.

If you don't know what TI and IR are, and how to argue for one and against the other, then stop trying. You have shown zero real argument so far against IR. That it's complicated or that it introduces uncertainty, is no real argument.

One of the many ironic things is we simply to not have to have some final approach to gaining knowledge or thinking of reality. Direct realism, indirect realism and (in certain niches) antirealism have all produced knowledge that is useful to us. I am not arguing that the discussion can't be useful, but in the end it's a bit like surgeons saying that all surgeons should use the same scalpels for the same steps in the same procedures. When in fact, it's great that each uses those tools they think are best and also makes other adjustments to the procedures given what has worked best for them. Models are for us after all.