Philosophy Now Forum

Alexiev wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 11:26 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:02 pm
Well since it is perfectly grammatical and also perfectly follows from the above comment, the confusion is stays in your court (or would you prefer "ball park" sine English, for you, might be second-hand)

Your standards of "perfection" are feeble.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 12:27 am

Are you still confused?

Alexiev wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 12:12 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 3:57 pm

People "whine" when they aren't approving of what they see going on. And considering the forever wars others got us into and which we just got out of, there was a LOT of reason to "whine". Sanders was pro-infrastructure and labor too. A shame that he lost really.

That's where I disagree. There's less reason to whine about now than at (almost) any time in U.S. history.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 2:58 am

Alexiev wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 12:12 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 3:57 pm

People "whine" when they aren't approving of what they see going on. And considering the forever wars others got us into and which we just got out of, there was a LOT of reason to "whine". Sanders was pro-infrastructure and labor too. A shame that he lost really.

That's where I disagree. There's less reason to whine about now than at (almost) any time in U.S. history.

I guess it depends on what a person believes is most fundamentally important. Does having relative personal freedom and/or economic comfort outweigh or negate one's conscience over entering foreign wars and participating in injustices going on around oneself?

Alexiev wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 2:59 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 2:58 am

Alexiev wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 12:12 am

That's where I disagree. There's less reason to whine about now than at (almost) any time in U.S. history.

I guess it depends on what a person believes is most fundamentally important. Does having relative personal freedom and/or economic comfort outweigh or negate one's conscience over entering foreign wars and participating in injustices going on around oneself?

Huh? We aren't fighting any wars, for the first time in decades. Of course there are "injustices", in the U.S. and everywhere else. But are there more than in the past? It doesn't seem like it to me. So I don't see why "it depends on what a person believes is most fundamentally important."

Of course it's reasonable to try to improve one's country or oneself. But Make America Great Again suggests America was better in some mythical past. We are better off now both economically and in terms of social justice than we have ever been. That does not imply that there are no problems -- just that the whining that America is somehow disintegrating contradicts the facts.

Alexiev wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 2:59 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 2:58 am

Alexiev wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 12:12 am

That's where I disagree. There's less reason to whine about now than at (almost) any time in U.S. history.

I guess it depends on what a person believes is most fundamentally important. Does having relative personal freedom and/or economic comfort outweigh or negate one's conscience over entering foreign wars and participating in injustices going on around oneself?

Huh? We aren't fighting any wars, for the first time in decades. Of course there are "injustices", in the U.S. and everywhere else. But are there more than in the past? It doesn't seem like it to me. So I don't see why "it depends on what a person believes is most fundamentally important."

Of course it's reasonable to try to improve one's country or oneself. But Make America Great Again suggests America was better in some mythical past. We are better off now both economically and in terms of social justice than we have ever been. That does not imply that there are no problems -- just that the whining that America is somehow disintegrating contradicts the facts.

commonsense wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 6:33 pmFeelings outweigh facts. When shrinkflation and price increases occur in the grocery stores, people are upset and rightly so.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 10:27 am

commonsense wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 6:33 pmFeelings outweigh facts. When shrinkflation and price increases occur in the grocery stores, people are upset and rightly so.

"For most people, things are measurably worse than they were 50 years ago..."
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqzDHlCet40)

Alexiev wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:43 am

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 10:27 am

commonsense wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 6:33 pmFeelings outweigh facts. When shrinkflation and price increases occur in the grocery stores, people are upset and rightly so.

"For most people, things are measurably worse than they were 50 years ago..."
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqzDHlCet40)

In 1970 college age kids were getting killed by the NVA, the Viet Cong, and the U.S. National Guard. Median household income was $9000, adjusted for inflation still slightly lower than today. Life expectancy was 6 or 7 years less than it is now. Inflation was double what it is today.

Of course if you want to die young, you might think the 1970s were better than today. But most of us prefer not to get drafted and sent off to Nam. I didn't watch the video. If people want to post links, how about something to read?

Alexiev wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:43 amIn 1970 college age kids were getting killed by the NVA, the Viet Cong, and the U.S. National Guard. Median household income was $9000, adjusted for inflation still slightly lower than today. Life expectancy was 6 or 7 years less than it is now. Inflation was double what it is today.

Of course if you want to die young, you might think the 1970s were better than today. But most of us prefer not to get drafted and sent off to Nam. I didn't watch the video. If people want to post links, how about something to read?

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:54 am

Alexiev wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:43 amIn 1970 college age kids were getting killed by the NVA, the Viet Cong, and the U.S. National Guard. Median household income was $9000, adjusted for inflation still slightly lower than today. Life expectancy was 6 or 7 years less than it is now. Inflation was double what it is today.

Of course if you want to die young, you might think the 1970s were better than today. But most of us prefer not to get drafted and sent off to Nam. I didn't watch the video. If people want to post links, how about something to read?

Incorrect, the Baby Boomer generation still own the wealth, and are not giving it up until they die-off, which will begin this decade.

Then, America will enter a new phase, where Inheritance is the primary form of wealth-transfer. This is a paradigm shift, because in every generation and century since the Colonization of the Americas, wealth was earned by the current generations, instead of Inheritance.

When Wealth shifts to Inheritance, Socialist policies tend to takeover, hence the rise of the Liberal-Left and Far-Leftists, Marxists.

It becomes more like the Old World, like 'European' countries and political ideologies.


In the 1970s, most Americans could afford to buy a house, car, have a wife, have children...they cannot do that as of the 2010s, 2020s.

The Middle Class is gone, and no sign of it ever coming back (10 million illegal aliens, under Democrat leadership/policies).

USA is destroyed.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 11:59 amThe degree of insanity you display is breathtaking.