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Dimebag wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:58 pm Would you object to saying space and time are present in mind?

Spacetime is a fundamental aspect of reality without it nothing can be caused.

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:47 pm

Dimebag wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:58 pm Would you object to saying space and time are present in mind?

Spacetime is a fundamental aspect of reality without it nothing can be caused.

Do you think space and time had a beginning?

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:47 pm

Dimebag wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:58 pm Would you object to saying space and time are present in mind?

Spacetime is a fundamental aspect of reality without it nothing can be caused.

AND, 'existence' is ANOTHER fundamental aspect of 'reality', and without 'it' nothing can be caused. But, SO WHAT?

Also, 'matter' is ANOTHER fundamental aspect of 'reality', and without 'it' nothing can be caused. But, AGAIN, SO WHAT?

Furthermore, 'space' is YET ANOTHER fundamental aspect of 'reality', and without 'it' nothing can be caused. But, ONCE AGAIN, SO WHAT?

However, 'time', itself, is NOT A fundamental aspect of 'reality', and without 'it' 'things' were, and are, STILL caused. But, ONCE MORE, SO WHAT?

By the way, let 'us' NOT FORGET that 'you' have YET TO DEFINE the words 'mind', 'space', 'time', 'spacetime', AND 'space-time' in A WAY that MAKES PERFECT SENSE, or which FIT IN PERFECTLY WITH OTHER words and 'their' DEFINITIONS.

And, until 'you' DO, what 'you' are talking ABOUT and REFERRING TO here 'you' REALLY HAVE NO FULL COMPREHENSION nor UNDERSTANDING OF, YET.

Dimebag wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 9:48 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:47 pm

Dimebag wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:58 pm Would you object to saying space and time are present in mind?

Spacetime is a fundamental aspect of reality without it nothing can be caused.

Do you think space and time had a beginning?

Yes, spacetime has a beginning. That however does not mean that they are caused.

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:57 pm

Dimebag wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 9:48 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:47 pm
Spacetime is a fundamental aspect of reality without it nothing can be caused.

Do you think space and time had a beginning?

Yes, spacetime has a beginning.

'you', "bahman", were ASKED a QUESTION, for CLARIFICATION, or an ANSWER, 'you' here, however, have REFUSED TO ANSWER the ACTUAL QUESTION ASKED.

Now, will 'you' INFORM 'us' of what the word 'spacetime' MEANS, or REFERS TO, TO 'you', EXACTLY?

If no, then WHY NOT?

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:57 pm That however does not mean that they are caused.

So, TO "bahman" there ARE or IS A 'thing/s', which BEGIN, or HAVE A BEGINNING, but YET were/was NOT 'caused' AT ALL.

Which, I WONDER, 'If "bahman" will EVER EXPLAIN how 'this' could even BE A POSSIBILITY, let alone BEING AN ACTUALITY?

Age wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:15 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:57 pm

Dimebag wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 9:48 pm
Do you think space and time had a beginning?

Yes, spacetime has a beginning.

'you', "bahman", were ASKED a QUESTION, for CLARIFICATION, or an ANSWER, 'you' here, however, have REFUSED TO ANSWER the ACTUAL QUESTION ASKED.

Now, will 'you' INFORM 'us' of what the word 'spacetime' MEANS, or REFERS TO, TO 'you', EXACTLY?

If no, then WHY NOT?

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:57 pm That however does not mean that they are caused.

So, TO "bahman" there ARE or IS A 'thing/s', which BEGIN, or HAVE A BEGINNING, but YET were/was NOT 'caused' AT ALL.

Which, I WONDER, 'If "bahman" will EVER EXPLAIN how 'this' could even BE A POSSIBILITY, let alone BEING AN ACTUALITY?

Time has a beginning since it cannot expand into the infinite past. It does not have a cause since that leads to regress. I am not going to discuss this with you any further since you believe in eternal time and also believe that regress is possible. We have been through this several times.

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:57 pm

Dimebag wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 9:48 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:47 pm
Spacetime is a fundamental aspect of reality without it nothing can be caused.

Do you think space and time had a beginning?

Yes, spacetime has a beginning. That however does not mean that they are caused.

So, space time had a beginning, but were uncaused.

Does that mean they are the “first cause”? The self rolling wheel?

Did space time begin to exist?

Was there something for which space and time came into existence for? Or are spacetime synonymous with existence?

Is a mind required for the transition from non existence of space time to existence of space time?

Dimebag wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:39 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:57 pm

Dimebag wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 9:48 pm
Do you think space and time had a beginning?

Yes, spacetime has a beginning. That however does not mean that they are caused.

So, space time had a beginning, but were uncaused.

Yes.

Dimebag wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:39 am Does that mean they are the “first cause”? The self rolling wheel?

No. The stuff that makes the universe may exist at the beginning of time or may have a cause.

Dimebag wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:39 am Did space time begin to exist?

No.

Dimebag wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:39 am Was there something for which space and time came into existence for?

No.

Dimebag wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:39 am Or are spacetime synonymous with existence?

No.

Dimebag wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:39 am Is a mind required for the transition from non existence of space time to existence of space time?

No, the mind is a substance that experiences and causes, in simple words it produces change, but to do that it requires to experience first.

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:47 pm

Dimebag wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:58 pm Would you object to saying space and time are present in mind?

Spacetime is a fundamental aspect of reality without it nothing can be caused.

Are you saying that Spacetime is reality?

VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 6:55 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:47 pm

Dimebag wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:58 pm Would you object to saying space and time are present in mind?

Spacetime is a fundamental aspect of reality without it nothing can be caused.

Are you saying that Spacetime is reality?

No, it is part of reality. Physical makes another part.

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 7:27 pm

VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 6:55 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:47 pm
Spacetime is a fundamental aspect of reality without it nothing can be caused.

Are you saying that Spacetime is reality?

No, it is part of reality. Physical makes another part.

Are you suggesting space is not physical?

VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 7:38 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 7:27 pm

VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 6:55 pm

Are you saying that Spacetime is reality?

No, it is part of reality. Physical makes another part.

Are you suggesting space is not physical?

Spacetime is a substance. By physical I mean, stuff like objects, electrons, protons, light, and the like.

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 7:50 pm

VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 7:38 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 7:27 pm
No, it is part of reality. Physical makes another part.

Are you suggesting space is not physical?

Spacetime is a substance. By physical I mean, stuff like objects, electrons, protons, light, and the like.

What do you mean by 'substance'?

Spacetime is a substance. By physical I mean, stuff like objects, electrons, protons, light, and the like.

So are you saying that space is not made of particles?

("Time" is a concept yes?)

"bahman" will you;

Firstly, define what the words below actually mean and refer to, to you, exactly?

Then, list the order of those words when they came to exist? Starting with what eternally exists, if there are any to you.

Mind.
Universe.
Space.
Time.
Matter.
Spacetime