simplicity wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:59 pm
Just because they accept it doesn't mean they believe it.
So, you accept that they buy the products, they take on the styles, they spout the memes, they vote for the candidates, they tell their friends X is good or cool, but they don't believe. Sure, possible. And your evidence. So far I have seen assertions that people know it's all bullshit. Can you justify your position? Much of this is optional. Yes, we have to earn a living and that can entail putting up with bullshit. But many thinks, all the product shopping and fads and fashion...most of that is utterly optional. But they flood those markets. They buy the new 'cooler' phone rather than saving money, on bullshit grounds. They rush out to purchase all sorts of products that will make them successful, sexy, cool....and they don't have to. And advertising bullshit directly leads to these fads and shopping sprees. Industry knows it works. No one HAS TO BUY 200 dollar sunglasses. But they do.
YOu seemed to understand this before...
Grow the fuck up people. Stop wasting your money on things you cannot afford and spend time with your children. Maybe then your kids will make a better life of it then what you people are doing...
They spend directly in relation to bullshit advertising and what people tell them about their products.
You don't know what you are talking about.
Everybody has to decide who much they are going to put up with the bs and at what level they can participate in it. How would it be possible not to understand?
Perhaps you could stop the implicitly insulting appeals to incredulity and actually justify your assertions.
absolutely.
You think anybody believes advertising?
They go out and buy stuff that they don't need based on advertising and the bullshit of peers that the advertising and influencer spout. Not a doubt in my mind that many, many people do this. And you can see the waves of new fashion flow over the streets and bodies. And they could save their money or not pay outrageous prices for brand clothes - and one example amongst many types of products - and buy knockoffs and cheaper good of the same quality, but they don't. They don't have to put up with this bullshit, they could ignore it. And your evidence?
politicians?
Sure, there are plenty of passionate citizens who exhort others to vote for X. This is at all levels of government. They often see the bs of the politicians who have different values than them, but often not their own. I see nothing to indicate that everyone knows it's all bullshit. Yes, many people distrust politicians in general. But many whole heartedly support their candidates. We have passionate support of both Trump and Hilary, for example. And yes, others were more cynical.
bankers/Wall Street?
They're less well liked in a more general way. On the other hand, they pretty much just do their shit and it is shit. However they are pretty silent. They do their horrible things.
and all the rest? People get it, they just don't want to live in the gutter.
There are certainly people who have to make compromises, but that does not explain many other patterns out there that do not fit your universal assertion.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:10 pmWell, if everyone can see through bullshit, then it doesn't really matter how well the doctors commmunicate. The patients can say...hey that's BS. I want a different drug, for example.
Sure it does. It is the physician's responsibility to educate the patient BUT it is the patient's responsibility to research and come back with questions and expect contextual explanation so you can eventually reach a prudent conclusion and pathways forward. That's how it should work.
You didn't respond to my point. If they can see through the bullshit then they know they are being bullshitted. And can ask questions until they sense they are not being bullshitted by the doctors. But most don't do this. And while on the one hand you tell us that everyone sees through bullshit, while elsewhere saying doctors should prioritize at the top good and open communication. Well, if people can see through the bullshit, then they don't need the doctors to be good communicators, they can just keep nagging until the doctor says something that doesn't smell of bullshit. Do you know how much the sales of drugs go up when they are advertised in different media? Which is why this was long illegal, to advertise prescription drugs. Then it was legal. It works, people ASK for those drugs. So, the advertising pays for itself and more.
simplicity wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 6:22 pmEVERYBODY knows this health care system is horribly corrupt...it IS self-evident.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:10 pmWell, if everybody knows, there's no need to say it. It's like me starting a thread telling people they need to breathe.
Poor argument.
You haven't made ANY argument. You haven't justified your assertions. You just keep repeating them. Do you understand what an argument is or what justification is?
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:10 pmOH, and by the way. You didn't respond to most of the points I made. You simply reiterated your position.
Just stick to one or two things you wish to discuss. Too much work otherwise.
You didn't respond to any of the objections I made, none. You could have picked one and rebutted. Justified your position. What you keep doing is repeating your assertions.