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Won't she get murdered for posting a Muhammad caricature?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:44 am If you can't feel this, what can you feel?

I feel inspired. The story of Abraham(pbuh) always makes me feel inspired to do my uttermost to please the One Who created me when I was nothing before and had nothing. Everything that I have, my life, all my possessions, all my joys, all my family, every single morsel of my food, my house, the air that I breath, the Sun that warms my skin, the light breeze that refresh my skin, the cool water that quench my thirst, absolutely everything is given to me by the Almighty. So, I think to myself, if I love all those gifts, then it is rational that I should love the One Who gave me those gifts with much greater love, for there would be no gift without the Provider! I think that Abraham and Ishmael (pbuh) had much deeper understanding of God, the Almighty than me, and all of us alive today combined! So, I reason within myself again: if my modest intellect can reason about God the Provider that way, I can only wish that God, the Almighty elevate my commitment and understanding to the level of Abraham and Ishmael(pbut).

The story of Prophet Job(pbuh) as well inspires me to become a better version of myself. These were all great men (pbuh) who had a very deep understanding of God the Almighty. And Allah, the All-Knowing informs us in the Holy Quran that they achieved great success. I ask Allah, the Most Merciful to grant me and all Muslims the same success. Ameen.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 2:30 am No details here. It could indicate many things. like that Israel is good at defending itself? Just a suggestion. How many of those 'Palestinian casualties' were beheaded babies and families burned alive? You can say anything you like with statistics. It's a lazy coward's way out.

You seem to be working your way up to claiming that 1 Israeli life is worth more than 1 Palestinian life.

Go on, I'll get you a shovel.

Killing innocent men, women and children is wrong. What Hamas did is absolutely wrong, but if you feel it's "wrong, but unavoidable/necessary/unfortunate because <reasons>" you are wrong too.

"Everything that I have, my life, all my possessions, all my joys, all my family, every single morsel of my food, my house, the air that I breath, the Sun that warms my skin, the light breeze that refresh my skin, the cool water that quench my thirst, absolutely everything is given to me by the Almighty. So, I think to myself, if I love all those gifts, then it is rational that I should love the One Who gave me those gifts with much greater love, for there would be no gift without the Provider!"

U ever been to prison dude?

promethean75 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:41 pm "Everything that I have, my life, all my possessions, all my joys, all my family, every single morsel of my food, my house, the air that I breath, the Sun that warms my skin, the light breeze that refresh my skin, the cool water that quench my thirst, absolutely everything is given to me by the Almighty. So, I think to myself, if I love all those gifts, then it is rational that I should love the One Who gave me those gifts with much greater love, for there would be no gift without the Provider!"

U ever been to prison dude?

Gaza has been described by the UN head of humanitarian affairs John Holmes as an open air prison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h889uANoWc

I have not yet been to Palestine and Gaza the open air prison. If God wills, one day I will go to the freed state of Palestine. Ameen.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 12:00 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 2:30 am No details here. It could indicate many things. like that Israel is good at defending itself? Just a suggestion. How many of those 'Palestinian casualties' were beheaded babies and families burned alive? You can say anything you like with statistics. It's a lazy coward's way out.

You seem to be working your way up to claiming that 1 Israeli life is worth more than 1 Palestinian life.

Go on, I'll get you a shovel.

Killing innocent men, women and children is wrong. What Hamas did is absolutely wrong, but if you feel it's "wrong, but unavoidable/necessary/unfortunate because <reasons>" you are wrong too.

Not very bright are you? How the fuck do you get that from what I wrote? Odd that I'm the only one on here who ever writes anything against the murder of Arabs in the ME by 'Western' powers like GB and the US and their little bitches. There's never been a peep out of you wonkers of wonkdom. So shove your disingenuous little insinuations up your arse. It's heart-warming that you care so much about those baying mobs screaming 'gas the Jews' and that you think it's only right and proper that Jewish people are being told to stay home for their own safety. It's so important to consider the 'feelings' of foaming-at-the-mouth monsters. They are 'human' too.

Averroes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 10:30 am I feel inspired. The story of Abraham(pbuh) always makes me feel inspired to do my uttermost to please the One Who created me when I was nothing before and had nothing. Everything that I have, my life, all my possessions, all my joys, all my family, every single morsel of my food, my house, the air that I breath, the Sun that warms my skin, the light breeze that refresh my skin, the cool water that quench my thirst, absolutely everything is given to me by the Almighty. So, I think to myself, if I love all those gifts, then it is rational that I should love the One Who gave me those gifts with much greater love, for there would be no gift without the Provider!

That such being could order you to kill your own son!? That you would believe that that is what God would want. That you would do it. That you would assume that you could not be confused about whose voice that was telling you to kill your son, shows that any humility here is false. A voice tells you to kill your son so you prepare to do it. Instead of holding onto the love of your son, which in your view was given to you by God. The love for your son was given to you by God, and because what you think is God tells you to kill that child and thus go against the very best in you, you listen and prepare to kill your son.

What other crimes would you, a fallible human, commit based on what you think is the voice of God?

I think that Abraham and Ishmael (pbuh) had much deeper understanding of God, the Almighty than me, and all of us alive today combined!

How would you know given that you think they are beyond you? Here you are posing as humble while actually making very bold claims.

So, I reason within myself again: if my modest intellect can reason about God the Provider that way, I can only wish that God, the Almighty elevate my commitment and understanding to the level of Abraham and Ishmael(pbut).

You just told us how they reasoned. While telling us their reasoning and understanding was greater than yours.

It's just parroting.

The story of Prophet Job(pbuh) as well inspires me to become a better version of myself. These were all great men (pbuh) who had a very deep understanding of God the Almighty. And Allah, the All-Knowing informs us in the Holy Quran that they achieved great success. I ask Allah, the Most Merciful to grant me and all Muslims the same success. Ameen.

Of course, you limit your good wishes as you think God limits them. To your club.

When you are told to go against both your reason and your heart by a voice you consider God's voice, you go against everything single thing you claim God gave you. Abraham was ready to go against everything God gave him.

There are other ways to set yourself up to commit atrocities, but this is certainly one of them.

"I have not yet been to Palestine and Gaza the open air prison. If God wills, one day I will go to the freed state of Palestine. Ameen."

No i meant prison prison. If so, u will very quickly lose this vision of a world with unicorns and rainbows where everything is beautiful.

Now granted that islam is a hundred times superior to judaism or Christianity (religions of the sick, helpless and degenerate), it's still not literally true man. There is no allah and this world is a joke.

It didn't have to be a joke, and may yet become something to take siriusly if the international working classes ever get their shit together and completely excise religion and capitalism from the world... but chances are we're too far gone... past the point of no return.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 4:30 pm "I have not yet been to Palestine and Gaza the open air prison. If God wills, one day I will go to the freed state of Palestine. Ameen."

No i meant prison prison. If so, u will very quickly lose this vision of a world with unicorns and rainbows where everything is beautiful.

Now granted that islam is a hundred times superior to judaism or Christianity (religions of the sick, helpless and degenerate), it's still not literally true man. There is no allah and this world is a joke.

It didn't have to be a joke, and may yet become something to take siriusly if the international working classes ever get their shit together and completely excise religion and capitalism from the world... but chances are we're too far gone... past the point of no return.

Islam and Communism have this in common: no separation of Church and State (in the case of communism because religion is an outlawed anathema). Islam resembles Christianity because it proselytizes; Judaism because it is legalistic. Christianity is morephilosophical ("love your neighbor as yourself) and positive (laws are restrictive, advice about love positive).

The angel dictating to Mohammed layed down the law; Jesus told stories. Communists have tried to "excise religion... from the world". Their attempts have not only failed, but also constituted an evil and unredeemable restriction on freedom of speech and thought. The good of the State is inseparable from the freedom and well-being of Individuals.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 4:30 pm "I have not yet been to Palestine and Gaza the open air prison. If God wills, one day I will go to the freed state of Palestine. Ameen."

No i meant prison prison. If so, u will very quickly lose this vision of a world with unicorns and rainbows where everything is beautiful.

Now granted that islam is a hundred times superior to judaism or Christianity (religions of the sick, helpless and degenerate), it's still not literally true man. There is no allah and this world is a joke.

It didn't have to be a joke, and may yet become something to take siriusly if the international working classes ever get their shit together and completely excise religion and capitalism from the world... but chances are we're too far gone... past the point of no return.

Islam and Communism have this in common: no separation of Church and State (in the case of communism because religion is an outlawed anathema). Islam resembles Christianity because it proselytizes; Judaism because it is legalistic. Christianity is more philosophical ("love your neighbor as yourself) and positive (laws are restrictive, advice about love positive).

The angel dictating to Mohammed layed down the law; Jesus told stories. Communists have tried to "excise religion... from the world". Their attempts have not only failed, but also constituted an evil and unredeemable restriction on freedom of speech and thought. The good of the State is inseparable from the freedom and well-being of Individuals.

"Communists have tried to "excise religion... from the world". Their attempts have not only failed, but also constituted an evil and unredeemable restriction on freedom of speech and thought."

This is true, but u have to ask yourself how evil would u feel for prohibiting your kid from talking about santa claus.

Same thing with the communists. They don't want to prohibit free speech. They want to prohibit talking divisive nonsense.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 6:27 pm "Communists have tried to "excise religion... from the world". Their attempts have not only failed, but also constituted an evil and unredeemable restriction on freedom of speech and thought."

This is true, but u have to ask yourself how evil would u feel for prohibiting your kid from talking about santa claus.

Same thing with the communists. They don't want to prohibit free speech. They want to prohibit talking divisive nonsense.

Good grief! If we are to have free speech, we must allow "divisive nonsense". Or do you think "free speech" includes only that speech of which you approve? The Church tried to ban divisive nonsense just like the Communists did. They called it "heresy" (instead of "counter revolutionary").

By the way, banning one's kids from talking about Santa Claus is ridiculous.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 4:30 pm Now granted that islam is a hundred times superior to judaism or Christianity (religions of the sick, helpless and degenerate), it's still not literally true man.
There is no allah and this world is a joke.

"a hundred times superior" in terms of what variables??
If it is in terms of "evil" I agree but not in terms of 'good' for humanity.

I have spent a lot of time researching deeply into Islam and the Quran.

Compare their fundamental doctrines;
1. Christianity - the overriding maxim of "love all even enemies", Luke 6:34, etc.
2. The obligatory, kill those who are a threat [slightest] to the religion [5:33].

It is obvious from the above, Islam is hundred [million times] more "superior" than Christianity in terms of driving 'evil' within humanity.

The Gospels and the Quran contain all the contractual terms which both the Christians and Muslim [respectively] had entered into a contract [covenant] with God; therein the contractual terms is a promise of avoiding hell and eternal life in heaven in exchange for the full compliant of the contractual terms.
For Muslims there is an additional of freely available buffet of virgin girls and young boys awaiting in paradise.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 4:30 pm "I have not yet been to Palestine and Gaza the open air prison. If God wills, one day I will go to the freed state of Palestine. Ameen."

No i meant prison prison. If so, u will very quickly lose this vision of a world with unicorns and rainbows where everything is beautiful.

Dr. Michael Waller, Annenberg Professor of International Communication wrote in 2003:

Dr Micheal Waller wrote:Currently, there are approximately 350,000 Muslims in Federal, state and local prisons - with 30,000-40,000 being added to that number each year....These inmates mostly came into prison as non-Muslims. But, it so happens that once inside the prison a majority turns to Islam for the fulfillment of spiritual needs... It is estimated that of those who seek faith while imprisoned, about 80% come to Islam. This fact alone is a major contributor to the phenomenal growth of Islam in the U.S.

A similar trend is found in the UK. According to 1999 data, around 30% of Muslim inmates are converts to Islam and many of those are, according to previous Home Office research, from black ethnic backgrounds. In 1999, it was found that in the United Kingdom 37% of Muslim male prisoners were black Muslims compared with 7% Black Muslims in the wider British Muslim population, with most Black Muslim inmates being converts to Islam.

Darrell Davis was just 18 when he was first sent to prison serving a total of 25 years behind bars. Davis converted to Islam while in jail taking on the name Sadiq or truthful. Siddiq Davis said about the reason why he converted to Islam in prison:

Siddiq Davis wrote:I began to realise that no matter what it is that I was doing was just not working out for me. So I thought maybe if I do a little bit more studying and get to know Islam, maybe I was going to find some answers to why I was being subjected to the things I was being subjected to. So I just pushed it on top of some old brothers inside prison and they begin to help me understand the Quran...[And] it set me free. It gave me a sense of peace that I'd never experienced before in my life. (...)
The Quran teaches you, Allah subhana wa ta'ala [The Most Exalted, The Most High] does not change the condition of a people until they change what is within themselves. So having read that I realized that I had to let somethings go in order to find out the truth about who it is that I was and how I was supposed to be living as a human being.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yquAEvHyRng

promethean75 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 4:30 pmNow granted that islam is a hundred times superior to judaism or Christianity (religions of the sick, helpless and degenerate),

I couldn't agree more on the principle of that statement of yours except that Islam is much more than 100 times superior. I come from a Judeo-Christian background myself, and embraced Islam about 20 years ago. And, from my experience of these religions, Judaism and Christianity is completely tasteless compared to Islam. You may have heard this before but It's like night and day. There is no other way to put it. Before Islam, I was in darkness. When you describe Judaism and Christianity as religions of the sick, helpless and degenerate, especially Trinitarian and Pauline Christianity (we shouldn't talk like that btw as it might hurt others feelings...but...), I understand you 100%.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 4:30 pmit's still not literally true man. There is no allah and this world is a joke

So, you do not believe God exist. What about my existence, do you think I exist?

I'm tryna get the hell out of here and u guys keep pullin me back in.

"By the way, banning one's kids from talking about Santa Claus is ridiculous."

U don't 'ban' such talk with threats of punishment. U discourage belief in santa claus by explaining why it's nonsense, the child understands, agrees, and willingly decides not to talk about nonsense. Becuz who wants to talk about nonsense?

Same with 'god'. Take the Chinese (who are not Marxist communists btw). The typical chinese citizen chooses not to be a Christian becuz he/she believes it is nonsense. This is not done under duress, but through education.

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VA. Islam is just as peaceful as Christianity and judaism as long as the fuckin hypocrit english crusaders stay the fuck out of their territory. But when u come with that weak ass jesus shit and try to brainwash an ancient culture with the same nonsense u got the Roman empire working/slave class with, you're gonna find out how ruthless a muslim can be.

And look at the typical Christian. They're a fuckin basket case. Why? Becuz of the obscene nature of the religion. Everything about it is ugly, pitiful, helpless, fantastically bizarre, etc. You were born a miserable worm into a shit world designed by a sadistic god who is gonna send u to hell unless u worship him. My ass.

There is none of this morbid horror show shit in islam. Life is good. Beautiful. People are good... not born into 'sin' or any of that guilt ridden bullshit that sets everyone against each other, suspicious, brooding, paranoid, etc.

I'm tellin u man Christianity is a modified judaism designed for the sole purpose of being an opiate for the miserable working classes and slaves that grovel at the feet of the bourgeois. It's been like that since it's very inception.