Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:26 pm
Yeah. Don't worry, IC doesn't have any idea what supports Lindsay's position either. Otherwise, he could tell you in his own words what supports Lindsay's position instead of referring you somewhere else. IC doesn't know shit other than listen to what people who match his opinion declare is true. He doesn't have the level of articulacy to actually understand the nuances of a well-reasoned argument. His world is an echo chamber. If it isn't stated in a 2000-year-old text then he thinks there's no evidence for it.
I admit I skimmed at least some part of your recent forced
give-me-therapy-dammit! session you enacted, skillfully as always, in this thread. I told you in another post that I have been praying over your Meds and have sent Mystic Light that would act beneficially on those marvelous chemicals. Have you felt
nothing different?
But moving on to the actual topic of the thread: I must insist that you are very likely quite wrong about both Lindsay and what IC understands of the insidious nature of Woke Ideology. So allow me to make a statement that indicates my own relationship to the question of Wokeness: I regard many people who write on this forum as being very very good examples of those infected by the Woke Ideology. What this means though is that Woke Ideology has made notable in-roads within the culture at large. Lindsay speaks of the Motte & Bailey tactic in combination with the Trojan Horse tactic. So for example the word *diversity* which sounds lovely, fair and democratic, when used by the Critical strategist, has in truth a very different intentionality behind it. Same with the word "inclusion". These are true Orwellian and also Maoist terms and my present opinion is that their acceptance demonstrates how insidious are these thought-viruses. You cannot blame that *average person* for responding in good-faith to a call for diversity and inclusion -- but therein lies the trick. It is part of a mind-fuck that, to disentangle it, requires a fair amount of mental energy. It also may indeed require a *guide*: someone to help one out of the labyrinth.
You have made numerous false statements:
1) It is false that IC does not know why he agrees with Lindsay's analysis in general.
2) He could certainly explain in his own words why he does agree.
3) But he may not because it is always better for someone (those he presented the link to) to do first-hand reading rather than receive a digested version.
4) To say "IC doesn't know shit" because you do not agree with his religious commitments is too dismissive: he may very well know a great deal within other areas and may be able to articulate them quite reasonably.
5) The other statements you make about *the nuances of a well-reasoned argument* are also likely defective statements and seem to be prejudiced by your long-standing and notable anger not so much at IC but at the figure *Yahweh*. [Yahweh seems to have been behind the devilish shenigans of that
bitch who absconded with your heart and your bank account -- that
bastard!]
Here, your own confused thought processes are revealed: You cannot accept that a benevolent creator has allowed you to suffer, and you therefore hold *him* responsible. But then you also doubt that such a God does actually exist and so you end up arguing against what you seem to recognize as a phantasy.
So curiously, and you do this constantly, much of your discourse revolves around your existential
conundrum and the Death-Wish Song with its mix of woeful minor notes and hopeful major notes. And time and again you manipulate others through a sick guilt-slinging to have to listen to your dreary tale of devastation. But simultaneously, and here your manipulations are genuinely underhanded, you refuse all *help*. And quite curiously you refuse the spiritual help that IC and any Christian (and certainly a Christian therapist and they do indeed exist) would offer you.
The issue then, at least as I see it, is that you are in a self-constructed prison and you (genuinely I think) can conceive of no way out of it. For me this is all *quite curious* (as I often say) because I am aware that in many areas we create our own prisons. We are the *authors* of a great deal of our own situations. Or, put another way, our perceptual structures which are upheld by our will
resist alternatives. "Help me!" the sicko woefully cries, but when help is proffered
he shoots it down. There is a whole area within the psychology/therapy profession that deals with people caught in this wretched loop.
So again -- and I say *curiously* once again -- many of us here have recognized ICs own intransigence about his own religious, spiritual, doctrinal and existential positions. He will not alter any part of these and, let's face it, people tend to get frustrated and angry with him because they cannot influence him to adjust or reject beliefs that so many are incapable of believing themselves. And then there is the implication, stated quite directly (though recently backgrounded) that failure to accept
the crucial element at the core of the Christian belief system will result in a hellish future. It is basic and shall I say *hardcore Christian belief* of the Old School.
So then, we have
two lunatics who have locked horns! And the Epic Battle rages!
Personally, I think there is a way around the conflict. But then in this I show, perhaps, my
synthesizing tendencies.
Jesus Christ and God are in my view symbolic references to something that, by definition, remain abstract and non-understandable. I admit to relying on some of my Jungian background here. But it is the sort of understanding that arises when someone cross-references spiritual or religious concepts. If I refer to *the higher self* what in fact am I referring to? Who uses such terms? And do the terms have any validity? And what does *validity* mean then?
In the 12-Step Program they say "Turn it over to God" or "Let go and let God". These are people who, certainly, came to the end of their ropes and who found that they could not resolve their issues on their own. That is, their own will could not do it. They had to abandon the project, and they had to call upon what they refer to as their *Higher Power*.
I suggest that anyone with any experience living life is quite aware that life itself is mysterious. How things happen, why they happen, how things get resolved (or tied up in knots), how one finds the people one loves, how love operates, and how the roads of life and the flow of life are influenced by one's own core attitude and -- how to put this -- ones own prayer-center or meditation-center. Many people have, let's say, 'resorted to' a far more fluid relationship with *God* and also with spirituality and really with life's processes. How can this be talked about in fair but also rational terms?
The Ultra-Rationalists here (Veggie comes to mind but there are quite a few here) simply cannot conceive of a 'divine element' in life, or in the self, or in life's processes, and so in this sense if the recommendation were to *Let go and let God* they would crap their pants in dismay. "What?!? That's irrational nonsense!!" Literally, they cannot Grok it. They spent a great deal of time working against the dictatorial tendency in hard religious belief systems, with strongly defined dogmatic sets, that to consider other strategies is rendered impossible.
So we have 3 strange but interesting things to consider here. I am convinced they are not
unrelated.
What is happening in our world that Woke Ideology is spreading like a bizarre and dangerous disease of the mind?
But what also is happening in our world where tens of thousands, millions, are suffering in the condition of incurable mental illness?
And what is happening in out world where Religious Orthodoxy and the need (or compulsion) to *return to* a rigid mode of living that had been sharply defined in the past, is presented as a proper and good alternative to self-dissolution in *a world going mad right in front of our eyes*?
It is like the pressure cooker is heating up and all the inner content begins to agitate. And one can surmise that -- eventually -- there will be an explosion. The pressure cannot continue to build.