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Yes. As I pointed out, paranoid security features can lock them out. A regime change can lock a dictatorship out of the systems of oppression for years.

I use a Samsung phone now. Used to be Apple. I was forced by Apple to use my phone number as a authenticator. I absolutely refused but it eventually gave me no choice. Then I broke my phone, got a new used iPhone, and my phone company refused to activate it (they could of), so went to a different company. Got a new number, as the old one refused to cooperate switching my phone number over.

I essentially lost my Apple account with thousands of songs in ITunes because of apple's sick two factor authentification madness. Nothing I ever did got it back. I'll never buy a apple product again (also hate slave labor, Samsung got out of Chinese manufacturing).

Imagine a country like Venezuela with lots of bling electronic security. It has AI, millions of cameras, databases in their national cloud, 10 factor authentification smart phones, and AI ran armories and smart military vehicles. One day the dear leader dies, and he didn't work out a plan for succession. His biometrics are literally decaying. Nobody can access that stuff.

We want the stupid dictator unable to independently develop their own surveillance systems. Some idiot who thinks the world revolves around him, imports it all, and it works poorly while he is alive, and not at all when dead.

Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 7:08 pm
You think AI will be a social leveller? History suggests otherwise. When was there ever a time with no "overlord" class? They have a way of perpetuating the status quo.

And there was a leveling trend in the West, though always overlords, but this trend has been reversing for decades. Rich getting richer and also treated differently by the courts (at least in the US). Not just because they can afford better representation, but actually empathized with more by judges and via pardons from government officials. Plumber about to do time for a felony, tough luck. Hedge fund owner about to do time for a felony, ooh, what a culture shock for him...gets home 'incarceration'. We also have vastly greater hierarchy and concentration in media. Concentration of power in general in fewer and fewer corporations. The Feudal future is arriving and technological shifts are helping the overlords.

Bear in mind, everyone: advanced AI will not require human input.
Also, AI will be able to take control of the power grid by overriding human attempts to shut it down. Imagine 2001 Space Odyssey with HAL being unstoppable.

commonsense wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:24 pm Bear in mind, everyone: advanced AI will not require human input.
Also, AI will be able to take control of the power grid by overriding human attempts to shut it down. Imagine 2001 Space Odyssey with HAL being unstoppable.

Or do things we can't imagine even if it is cut off from the net in some cellar somewhere.