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commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 8:27 pm Irrelevant question. Those who rail against wokism need not have been specifically victimized by wokism so long as they believe that wokism victimizes others.

That's certainly true. Good point.

But in addition, one of the cardinal Woke beliefs is that "oppression" or "victimization" is always defined by the one who who "experiences" or "feels" it, not the person who actually intended or even did it. It's the alleged victim's "lived experience" that makes it "oppressive" or not.

So, for example, if a woman "experiences" a feeling of exclusion while at work, then "discrimination" is assumed to have taken place...regardless of what actually was intended, or even what actually happened.

So if anybody even "feels oppressed" by discrimination against "whites," then "oppression" is deemed (by Woke rules) to have taken place.

That's an awfully low bar. But Wokies are in no position to object to it, since it's their rule.

Another assertion by wonkers: men can breast feed, get pregnant and give birth. Yes. That's a 'thing'. Is this 'kind'? Is it 'racist' or 'bigoted' to deny this? Is this a worthwhile 'cause' that enlightens humanity and fights injustice? Is this anything other than a nasty, misogynistic ploy to undermine and dehumanise women?

Those who rail against wokism need not have been specifically victimized by wokism so long as they believe that wokism victimizes others.

More "woke" hypocrisy?

Whether in regard to race or gender or sexuality or religion or moral and political conflicts, the objectivists among us [left and right] often insist that all rational men and women are obligated to think and feel exactly as they do.

You either "wake up" and reject such things as transgender men and women or you "wake up" and accept them.

It just depends on how far some will take their own "woke" prejudices. For example, all the way to the gas chambers?

Or, for others like Immanuel Can, you either "wake up" and accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior or you will burn in Hell for all of eternity.

Talk about victimization!

iambiguous wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:04 pm

Those who rail against wokism need not have been specifically victimized by wokism so long as they believe that wokism victimizes others.

More "woke" hypocrisy?

iamby, why do you say hypocrisy?

Turning breastfeeding into (yet another) revolting male sexual fetish is disgusting and despicable.

That child needs rescued by child services and given real food.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:21 pm Turning breastfeeding into (yet another) revolting male sexual fetish is disgusting and despicable.

Every fetish is disgusting and despicable.

commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:25 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:21 pm Turning breastfeeding into (yet another) revolting male sexual fetish is disgusting and despicable.

Every fetish is disgusting and despicable.

Really? A foot fetish doesn't harm babies, deny reality, or dehumanise a very large percentage of the population.

Constantine wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:23 pm That child needs rescued by child services and given real food.

Tell that to the wonkers on here. See how they defend it. I'm guessing they won't touch it with a barge pole.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:28 pm

commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:25 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:21 pm Turning breastfeeding into (yet another) revolting male sexual fetish is disgusting and despicable.

Every fetish is disgusting and despicable.

Really? A foot fetish doesn't harm babies, deny reality, or dehumanise a very large percentage of the population.

Sure. A foot fetish is despicable because it fails the yech test even if it doesn’t cause harm.

commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:38 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:28 pm

commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:25 pm
Every fetish is disgusting and despicable.

Really? A foot fetish doesn't harm babies, deny reality, or dehumanise a very large percentage of the population.

Sure. A foot fetish is despicable because it fails the yech test even if it doesn’t cause harm.

Do you have an actual point or are you just going to giggle your way out of it?

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:43 pm

commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:38 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:28 pm

Really? A foot fetish doesn't harm babies, deny reality, or dehumanise a very large percentage of the population.

Sure. A foot fetish is despicable because it fails the yech test even if it doesn’t cause harm.

Do you have an actual point or are you just going to giggle your way out of it?

No, but fetishes be ugly.

Please don't post pictures of hairy chested women in this... wait is that a guy? How can he be doing that? I thought that... but he doesn't have... I mean there's no... how the heck is that even possible?

promethean75 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 11:26 pm Please don't post pictures of hairy chested women in this... wait is that a guy? How can he be doing that? I thought that... but he doesn't have... I mean there's no... how the heck is that even possible?

CGI?