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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:57 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:43 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:23 pm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaS3vaN ... 1nMcCarthy

Is it 'racist' to say the English are a bunch of cunts?

The man man who lives next door but one to me seems nice enough; I certainly wouldn't describe him as a ****.


How come you are allowed to say cunts, but not ****?

It seems one **** is unacceptable, but a bunch of them is fine.

Perhaps it's acceptable when 'English' is used in the same sentence?

Yes, that must be it.

Harbal wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:04 pm

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 9:47 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 9:06 pm How can you pick a side when you think they are both wrong?

I was indirectly commenting on Veggie’s anti-Tory position through reference to Scotsman Dick Gaughan’s activist stance in his music.

I am unsure what you are referring to. But perhaps you are taking “what side are you on” to mean something different (?)

I suppose I was thinking of the miners' strike of 1984. A clash of ideologies, neither of which I had much sympathy with. It has nothing to do with racism; just ignore me.

You are right, Brother Harbal, he did mention that topical issue (of which I know nothing). I am familiar with many of his other songs which are more generally pro-labor, pro-Union.

Like this one.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 9:55 pm

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 9:47 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 9:06 pm How can you pick a side when you think they are both wrong?

I was indirectly commenting on Veggie’s anti-Tory position through reference to Scotsman Dick Gaughan’s activist stance in his music.

I am unsure what you are referring to. But perhaps you are taking “what side are you on” to mean something different (?)

I don't recall mentioning the 'Tories'. Isn't that an English thing?

But I think you referred to the Tory-in-Chief, no?

that spoilt prat of a king and his awful slapper of a wife

See Tory:

A Tory (/ˈtɔːri/) is an individual who supports a political philosophy known as Toryism, based on a British version of traditionalist conservatism which upholds the established social order as it has evolved through the history of Great Britain. The Tory ethos has been summed up with the phrase "God, King, and Country". Tories are monarchists, were historically of a high church Anglican religious heritage, and were opposed to the liberalism of the Whig party.

This thread is a great example of why 'Racism' cannot be discussed among the political-Left, Liberal, Wokie, Marxist contingent. Why not? Because it is in their benefit not to grant the topic Rational basis, or what Hairball called "dressing it up". So he admits to it. The Wokies prefer to hide their primary tool of "social justice" leverage, to use it offensively rather than be caught on the defense, as Conservatives have been unable to counter-attack properly for decades.

As history moves further and further beyond WWII and Hitler's Nazism, their preferred shaming tool of Racist! Anti-Semite! Nazi! are going to lose effect. Already with Gen Z and Gen A(lpha), young adults and teenagers are beginning to shrug-off these social shaming accusations. Who cares about being a "Racist"? Who cares about being an "Anti-Semite"? Who cares about being a "Nazi"? These accusations no longer have relevance, meaning, or effectiveness that they used to say...in the 80s or 90s. Look at Kanye West recently, who called-out his Jewish manager and broached the "Jewish Question" across the social media platforms throughout the West. Look at Dave Chappelle's joke about Jewish mafia this last year, call it a Cohencidence. These are signals that culture is changing, the Wokies are, hopefully, running out of steam.

Because what actual "Progress" have they created recently?

Black people still overwhelmingly kill black people in the United States, and overwhelmingly commit more violent crime and sexual assault versus white than vice-versa. Does stating facts make you "Racist"? According to the Wokies, yes, it does. So Truth is "Racist". And in order to stop being Racist, you logically need to stop telling the Truth, don't you?? That is the view of the political-Left, along with their Marxist, Liberal, Socialist allies. Truth is the first casualty in every war.


If you notice in this thread, any attempt to Rationalize "Racism", brings out the Wokies in full force, to stifle, interrupt, Ad Hom, everything they can and will do, in order to stop open, free, honest dialogue about the matter.

They have no intent to "stop Racism", but to keep the flames burning, for their own political gains.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 8:25 am This thread is a great example of why 'Racism' cannot be discussed among the political-Left, Liberal, Wokie, Marxist contingent. Why not? Because it is in their benefit not to grant the topic Rational basis, or what Hairball called "dressing it up".

What I'm saying is that racism is part of human nature; we are all racist to some extend. We tend not to like people who are different to ourselves. It's just that people like you try to invent rational excuses to justify your prejudice, rather than having the courage to be honest.

Constantine wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 2:39 pm So what is Harbals solution to actual racism. Actual racism. What is Flash Dangerpants? Again.... actual racism. Woke is racism. You can't fight racism with racism and expect positive results.

You started a thread about racism using an article culled from the far right race baiting web site that promoted stories about caravans of brown invaders at the US southern border, and that promotes racist conspiracy theories about white people being replaced with brown people to make a more docile electorate. In that thread you used the 'woke' dog whistle in the OP, and with that you summoned one holocaust denier who promotes racial seperatism and that weird little nazi who just hates jews and black folk, to join you to complain about wokies being mean to racists.

But I'm the problem.

I still don't quite understand what THE actual race is...

Is it, what colour ones skin and the hue of said skin to work out who won..once the apocalypse happens?

...that was an interesting dream I had last night, seems we were so busy attempting to download movies onto magnetic drives before the electricity drained from the internet and such sources.

Never mind.

Why do you Wokies persist in proving my points and arguments correct?

As asked in the OP, you admittedly have no interest in ending Racism!

I'm a little surprised, because most Wokies at least pretend to want to end Racism. But Hairball says it cannot be ended. And Fuzzypoopants, keeps conjuring strawman arguments because he too has no interest in "ending Racism".

The more Wokies respond, the more they demonstrate, they have no actual interest in "ending Racism".

Why not?

Because it benefits them far more than it benefits the political-Right...

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:00 am Why do you Wokies persist in proving my points and arguments correct?

As asked in the OP, you admittedly have no interest in ending Racism!

I'm a little surprised, because most Wokies at least pretend to want to end Racism. But Hairball says it cannot be ended. And Fuzzypoopants, keeps conjuring strawman arguments because he too has no interest in "ending Racism".

It seems to me that a "wokie" is just someone who doesn't see things exactly the same as you do.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:03 am The more Wokies respond, the more they demonstrate, they have no actual interest in "ending Racism".

Why not?

Because it benefits them far more than it benefits the political-Right...

Can you tell me specifically what views and opinions I have about race and racism that make me a "wokie"?

I suspect you can't, and will just avoid answering the question.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:00 am Why do you Wokies persist in proving my points and arguments correct?

As asked in the OP, you admittedly have no interest in ending Racism!

I'm a little surprised, because most Wokies at least pretend to want to end Racism. But Hairball says it cannot be ended. And Fuzzypoopants, keeps conjuring strawman arguments because he too has no interest in "ending Racism".

He was kind of asking for it when he posted a link to a site like Breitbart. What next? Stormfront? Or doesn't that exist any more?

It's clearly a product of the very well known human instinct for tribalism, forming groups of them and us, gifted to us by evolution. The good news, though, is that while we can't change human nature, and nor would we want to, we can change, by a process of natural development, the definition of what constitutes one's tribe. In the earliest days of hunter gatherers it was the family unit. Later, with more settled, agricultural populations, came larger units, the actual tribe. Later still, with the rise of civilisation and better methods of communication, it was the nation. We are still in that phase, I think, though very gradually moving to the next logical phase, which is to encompass the whole human race within one's tribe. Maybe we'll do it in stages before reaching that end.

That's a gross simplification, of course. The same instinct, for example, has also led to stratification within societies, forming a class structure, and all the other divisions we experience.

History also tells us that an external threat does wonders to speed things up.

Maia wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:22 amIt's clearly a product of the very well known human instinct for tribalism, forming groups of them and us, gifted to us by evolution. The good news, though, is that while we can't change human nature, and nor would we want to, we can change, by a process of natural development, the definition of what constitutes one's tribe. In the earliest days of hunter gatherers it was the family unit. Later, with more settled, agricultural populations, came larger units, the actual tribe. Later still, with the rise of civilisation and better methods of communication, it was the nation. We are still in that phase, I think, though very gradually moving to the next logical phase, which is to encompass the whole human race within one's tribe. Maybe we'll do it in stages before reaching that end.

That's a gross simplification, of course. The same instinct, for example, has also led to stratification within societies, forming a class structure, and all the other divisions we experience.

History also tells us that an external threat does wonders to speed things up.

I think the problem is that some tribes want to shame others for being 'Racist', while they practice it with impunity, a clear double-standard.

Which tribes are you not allowed to criticize publicly?

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:42 am Which tribes are you not allowed to criticize publicly?

Is there a special "question" of this tribe you fear? Perhaps Kanye would know?