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Posted: **Tue Jun 20, 2023 6:42 pm**

in fact, homelessness is directly tied to
the cost of housing.. the cities/states with
the highest homeless problem are cities/states with
the highest cost of housing..
the 4 states with the highest homeless problem are California,
NY, Washington and Florida...
all states with a high cost of housing...

the states with the lowest cost of housing, have the lowest
rate of homelessness.... and that is a fact.....

Kropotkin

Posted: **Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:03 pm**

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 6:18 pm the problems of California are not endemic to California...

No, they're "endemic to" the governments they've elected. One of the most beautiful places in the world is becoming the land of tent cities, drug overdoses and feces in the streets. I have friends living there, who used to love the state. But by no accident, everybody's vacating it.

Now, how bad do things have to be, before people start fleeing from California?

Tell me one thing that Wokism has produced, that is not an unmitigated disaster.

Posted: **Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:11 pm**

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:03 pm
Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 6:18 pm the problems of California are not endemic to California...
No, they're "endemic to" the governments they've elected. One of the most beautiful places in the world is becoming the land of tent cities, drug overdoses and feces in the streets. I have friends living there, who used to love the state. But by no accident, everybody's vacating it.

Now, how bad do things have to be, before people start fleeing from California?

Tell me one thing that Wokism has produced, that is not an unmitigated disaster.

K: happily, once you have defined what ''WOKISM'' is..

Kropotkin

Posted: **Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:17 pm**

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:11 pm K: happily, once you have defined what ''WOKISM'' is..

Dead easy. It's the ideology of Neo-Marxism, usually re-tuned to race, sex, gender, fatness, ability or some other grounds of complaint, and weaponizedin the public sphere.

Now answer the question "happily."

Posted: **Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:32 pm**

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:17 pm
Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:11 pm K: happily, once you have defined what ''WOKISM'' is..
Dead easy. It's the ideology of Neo-Marxism, usually re-tuned to race, sex, gender, fatness, ability or some other grounds of complaint, and weaponizedin the public sphere.

K: now here is the interesting problem, I totally disagree with
your "definition".. all ''WOKISM" is, is awareness.. being aware,
being conscious of something.. your definition is simply nothing
more than your beliefs about ''WOKISM'' and has nothing to do
with being aware of, or being conscious of, something....
my handy dandy dictionary says this about WOKE:

WOKE: is an adjective derived from African-American Vernacular
English meaning ''alert to racial prejudice and discrimination"

among sentences using the word "WOKE"

"He woke up" "What woke you up?" "We woke up
after midnight"... ''He woke up to find himself lying on
a bench in the park"

At no point did your definition line up with the Collins
dictionary definition of "WOKE" or any other dictionary....
it is a made up definition that only supports what you
want it to say, not what it actually means....
and the second part of the equation is how does being ''WOKE''
being aware, has to do with the problems in question...

what does being 'WOKE" as defined by the dictionary,
results in what you are talking about? Homelessness
or poverty or drugs or the income inequality that is
perhaps the greatest problem that America faces....
Even your extremely biased doesn't get us to how does
"WOKE'' as you defined it, create the problems you
claim, falsely, the problems you attributed to being ''WOKE"

Kropotkin

Posted: **Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:42 pm**

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:32 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:17 pm
Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:11 pm K: happily, once you have defined what ''WOKISM'' is..
Dead easy. It's the ideology of Neo-Marxism, usually re-tuned to race, sex, gender, fatness, ability or some other grounds of complaint, and weaponizedin the public sphere.
K: now here is the interesting problem, I totally disagree with
your "definition".. all ''WOKISM" is, is awareness.. being aware,
being conscious of something..

That's the shallow definition they give to the naive. But they don't tell them what kind of "consciousness" or "awareness" it is.

As it turns out, what they mean is "critical consciousness" which is Neo-Marxist, grievance-based analysis of everything. And they flatter their stupified followers that they are "waking them up" to realities that are actually there, whereas what they are really doing is deluding them with the dogma that the explanation for absolutely everything is "power," that "oppression" is the reason that things are the way they are, that conspiratorial "capitalist" powers are marshalled against them, and that Big Government for the masses, passed off as Socialism, is the only possible course for "social justice."

They're manipulators and crap merchants, with an agenda of seizing control of the stupid, whom they flatter as "woke". And anybody who knows Wokism knows it. However, the flattered "Wokies" cannot bring themselves to see that this movement is an utter fraud, a scam, a total failure, and results only in destruction and resentment, but is utterly incapable of actual social achievement.

Now, answer the question: what good things has this movement you've joined, which I call "Wokism" and you call "awareness" ever done? Show me.

Posted: **Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:15 pm**

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:42 pm
Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:32 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:17 pm
Dead easy. It's the ideology of Neo-Marxism, usually re-tuned to race, sex, gender, fatness, ability or some other grounds of complaint, and weaponizedin the public sphere.
K: now here is the interesting problem, I totally disagree with
your "definition".. all ''WOKISM" is, is awareness.. being aware,
being conscious of something..

That's the shallow definition they give to the naive. But they don't tell them what kind of "consciousness" or "awareness" it is.

As it turns out, what they mean is "critical consciousness" which is Neo-Marxist, grievance-based analysis of everything. And they flatter their stupified followers that they are "waking them up" to realities that are actually there, whereas what they are really doing is deluding them with the dogma that the explanation for absolutely everything is "power," that "oppression" is the reason that things are the way they are, that conspiratorial "capitalist" powers are marshalled against them, and that Big Government for the masses, passed off as Socialism, is the only possible course for "social justice."

They're manipulators and crap merchants, with an agenda of seizing control of the stupid, whom they flatter as "woke". And anybody who knows Wokism knows it. However, the flattered "Wokies" cannot bring themselves to see that this movement is an utter fraud, a scam, a total failure, and results only in destruction and resentment, but is utterly incapable of actual social achievement.

Now, answer the question: what good things has this movement you've joined, which I call "Wokism" and you call "awareness" ever done? Show me.

K: your answer shows us the complete misunderstanding of what
'WOKISM" is...as I mentioned, it is awareness of being "alert
to racial prejudice and discrimination" it is being awake to,
aware of... it is not, as you might think a program for actions...
in fact, in regard to that, the basis of action on the left
has nothing to do with "WOKISM"... as defined by the dictionary....
''WOKISM'' is just another right wing fantasy... it only exists as
far as it is becoming aware of, being conscious of....
''WOKISM" has no other definition.... it doesn't stand for a course
of action or some sort of plan... it just means becoming aware....
and thus has nothing to do with the running of government or
housing problems or income inequality... it just means to become
aware of those issues... ''WOKENESS'' as such, has done nothing in
fact.... for it has nothing to do with any course of action....
that is just more of the right wing fantasy... like CRT, (which
is really what ''WOKE" actually means....becoming aware of,
nothing more... CRT is becoming aware of systematic, institutional
racism...the racism that is embedded within the very constitution
of the United States... or haven't you heard that black people are
worth 3/5 of a white person?

so, in essence, the answer to your question is simple,
that there is no political action in America that
is based on ''WOKISM" thus it hasn't done good or bad....
it is a simple right wing attack on liberals.... nothing more....
with no basis in fact....

and I would suggest that the deluded one here is you...
for falling for the simple right-wing fantasy that is "WOKISM"...

Kropotkin

Posted: **Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:32 pm**

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:15 pm K: your answer shows us the complete misunderstanding of what
'WOKISM" is...as I mentioned, it is awareness of being "alert
to racial prejudice and discrimination"

You've been sold a lie, PK. No such thing. It's Neo-Marxism, alright, and "critical consciousness" is their label for what you're talking about, not mine.

You need to research your own ideology, not just take it for granted. Buy yourself a copy of James Lindsay's "Race Marxism." It will do you a world of good to know some of the basics of the people you're trusting so absolutely.

so, in essence, the answer to your question is simple,
that there is no political action in America that
is based on ''WOKISM"

Wow.

What an admission.

Okay. Let's pretend that's right. Just for fun. Forget the burning of Baltimore, of Atlanta, of Portland, of Kenosha, and the utter destruction of all those "Woke" driven cities, the poisonous agenda of CRT, the erroding of all of the rights of women by the trans...all of it. None of it ever happened, let's say.

Then what is your evidence that Wokism or "Woke identification," to use your term, does something good? You say now that it has done no political action. So then, it seems there's no evidence it achieves anything. And we are neither better if we "wake up," nor worse if we do not.

Or do you actually have something you want to put forward as a benefit of "Woke identification"?

Posted: **Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:04 pm**

Here's the thing. 'Woke' was always destined to become an ironic insult. When someone uses a word to describe themselves in a highly complimentary way which puts them above everyone else then that is going to piss people off and they are going to end up throwing it back in an insulting way at the person who is smugly patting himself on the back with it. That's human nature. It would be the same if you went around boasting about how 'enlightened' you are. It's not a description you can give to yourself-- It needs to be bestowed by OTHERS for it to work. It would be like a man going around introducing himself to people thus: 'Hi, I'm Bob and I'm handsome'. People would snigger and look at him sidelong. They would say to each other 'Oh, here comes 'handsome' Bob he he'. Same with 'genius'. That's not a word that any normal person would use to describe themselves. It can only be used to describe others. I'm pretty sure Beethoven or Einstein didn't going around saying 'I'm a genius'.
Please raise your hand if you don't understand this and I will try to make it even simpler.

Posted: **Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:08 pm**

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:32 pm
Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:15 pm K: your answer shows us the complete misunderstanding of what
'WOKISM" is...as I mentioned, it is awareness of being "alert
to racial prejudice and discrimination"
You've been sold a lie, PK. No such thing. It's Neo-Marxism, alright, and "critical consciousness" is their label for what you're talking about, not mine.

You need to research your own ideology, not just take it for granted. Buy yourself a copy of James Lindsay's "Race Marxism." It will do you a world of good to know some of the basics of the people you're trusting so absolutely.

so, in essence, the answer to your question is simple,
that there is no political action in America that
is based on ''WOKISM"
Wow. What an admission.

Okay. Let's pretend that's right. Just for fun. Forget the burning of Baltimore, of Atlanta, of Portland, of Kenosha, and the utter destruction of all those "Woke" driven cities, the poisonous agenda of CRT, the erroding of all of the rights of women by the trans...all of it. None of it ever happened, let's say.

Then what is your evidence that Wokism or "Woke identification," to use your term, does something good? You say now that it has done no political action. So then, it seems there's no evidence it achieves anything. And we are neither better if we "wake up," nor worse if we do not.

Or do you actually have something you want to put forward as a benefit of "Woke identification"?

K: ahhh, the big lie, like the fact that American cities were
"burned down" in Portland for example, what was burned, was part of one
small block, the civic area where the courthouse was... and it didn't burn
down the courthouse...just the fences around that courthouse...
the burning down of all those cities... WOW... and yet, entire cities
being burned down would attract some attention.. you would think...
but the fact is that very small areas of those cities were burn....
like in Atlanta, I saw pictures of a Burger King burning down..
is that the massive city burning you refer to?

The city that would support your contention would be
Kenosha... where 40 building burned down... but the fact is
that those 40 buildings were within a few blocks of each other...
so, did the entire city burn down? nope, just a few blocks..
I would suggest that an incompetent fire department may
have more to do with that then the protesters...
(my uncle was a voluntary fire fighter.. I learned a bit from him)
and since when was Kenosha "WOKE" I spent much of my childhood
in Wisconsin... and trust me, it ain't "WOKE" the only two cities
that might even be described as being ''WOKE" is Madison
and Milwaukee....certainly not where I spent my childhood...

(and before you even say it, I grew up in small town America..
spent my days growing up in a small town.. today it has
8,000 people.. back in the day, it had maybe 2,000, maybe)

and then comes the real question, what does this have to do
with..... ''WOKISM"... NOTHING.... NOTHING AT ALL....
it is just a red herring designed to hide the fact that
opponents of ''WOKISM'' have nothing....the allege burning of the
cities in question had nothing to do with ''WOKISM"

now, the next charges is that somehow 'WOKISM' has something
to do with "neo-Marxism"... I suppose you could be more wrong,
but I'm not sure how...

How does one get from Marxism, to being ''WOKE" ...

You now have to define Marxism...and its connection to
"WOKISM" but being wrong seems to be your forte....
so, tell us, what is Neo-Marxism and its connection to
to "WOKISM?"...

Kropotkin

Posted: **Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:11 pm**

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:08 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:32 pm
Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:15 pm K: your answer shows us the complete misunderstanding of what
'WOKISM" is...as I mentioned, it is awareness of being "alert
to racial prejudice and discrimination"
You've been sold a lie, PK. No such thing. It's Neo-Marxism, alright, and "critical consciousness" is their label for what you're talking about, not mine.

You need to research your own ideology, not just take it for granted. Buy yourself a copy of James Lindsay's "Race Marxism." It will do you a world of good to know some of the basics of the people you're trusting so absolutely.

so, in essence, the answer to your question is simple,
that there is no political action in America that
is based on ''WOKISM"
Wow. What an admission.

Okay. Let's pretend that's right. Just for fun. Forget the burning of Baltimore, of Atlanta, of Portland, of Kenosha, and the utter destruction of all those "Woke" driven cities, the poisonous agenda of CRT, the erroding of all of the rights of women by the trans...all of it. None of it ever happened, let's say.

Then what is your evidence that Wokism or "Woke identification," to use your term, does something good? You say now that it has done no political action. So then, it seems there's no evidence it achieves anything. And we are neither better if we "wake up," nor worse if we do not.

Or do you actually have something you want to put forward as a benefit of "Woke identification"?
K: ahhh, the big lie, like the fact that American cities were
"burned down" in Portland for example, what was burned, was part of one
small block, the civic area where the courthouse was... and it didn't burn
down the courthouse...just the fences around that courthouse...
the burning down of all those cities... WOW... and yet, entire cities
being burned down would attract some attention.. you would think...
but the fact is that very small areas of those cities were burn....
like in Atlanta, I saw pictures of a Burger King burning down..
is that the massive city burning you refer to?

The city that would support your contention would be
Kenosha... where 40 building burned down... but the fact is
that those 40 buildings were within a few blocks of each other...
so, did the entire city burn down? nope, just a few blocks..
I would suggest that an incompetent fire department may
have more to do with that then the protesters...
(my uncle was a voluntary fire fighter.. I learned a bit from him)
and since when was Kenosha "WOKE" I spent much of my childhood
in Wisconsin... and trust me, it ain't "WOKE" the only two cities
that might even be described as being ''WOKE" is Madison
and Milwaukee....certainly not where I spent my childhood...

(and before you even say it, I grew up in small town America..
spent my days growing up in a small town.. today it has
8,000 people.. back in the day, it had maybe 2,000, maybe)

and then comes the real question, what does this have to do
with..... ''WOKISM"... NOTHING.... NOTHING AT ALL....
it is just a red herring designed to hide the fact that
opponents of ''WOKISM'' have nothing....the allege burning of the
cities in question had nothing to do with ''WOKISM"

now, the next charges is that somehow 'WOKISM' has something
to do with "neo-Marxism"... I suppose you could be more wrong,
but I'm not sure how...

How does one get from Marxism, to being ''WOKE" ...

You now have to define Marxism...and its connection to
"WOKISM" but being wrong seems to be your forte....
so, tell us, what is Neo-Marxism and its connection to
to "WOKISM?"...

Kropotkin

'Peter Kropotkin', the most boring and idiotic person on this site. Even the username is boring and idiotic (and try saying it fast).

Posted: **Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:38 pm**

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:11 pm
Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:08 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:32 pm
You've been sold a lie, PK. No such thing. It's Neo-Marxism, alright, and "critical consciousness" is their label for what you're talking about, not mine.

You need to research your own ideology, not just take it for granted. Buy yourself a copy of James Lindsay's "Race Marxism." It will do you a world of good to know some of the basics of the people you're trusting so absolutely.

Wow. What an admission.

Okay. Let's pretend that's right. Just for fun. Forget the burning of Baltimore, of Atlanta, of Portland, of Kenosha, and the utter destruction of all those "Woke" driven cities, the poisonous agenda of CRT, the erroding of all of the rights of women by the trans...all of it. None of it ever happened, let's say.

Then what is your evidence that Wokism or "Woke identification," to use your term, does something good? You say now that it has done no political action. So then, it seems there's no evidence it achieves anything. And we are neither better if we "wake up," nor worse if we do not.

Or do you actually have something you want to put forward as a benefit of "Woke identification"?
K: ahhh, the big lie, like the fact that American cities were
"burned down" in Portland for example, what was burned, was part of one
small block, the civic area where the courthouse was... and it didn't burn
down the courthouse...just the fences around that courthouse...
the burning down of all those cities... WOW... and yet, entire cities
being burned down would attract some attention.. you would think...
but the fact is that very small areas of those cities were burn....
like in Atlanta, I saw pictures of a Burger King burning down..
is that the massive city burning you refer to?

The city that would support your contention would be
Kenosha... where 40 building burned down... but the fact is
that those 40 buildings were within a few blocks of each other...
so, did the entire city burn down? nope, just a few blocks..
I would suggest that an incompetent fire department may
have more to do with that then the protesters...
(my uncle was a voluntary fire fighter.. I learned a bit from him)
and since when was Kenosha "WOKE" I spent much of my childhood
in Wisconsin... and trust me, it ain't "WOKE" the only two cities
that might even be described as being ''WOKE" is Madison
and Milwaukee....certainly not where I spent my childhood...

(and before you even say it, I grew up in small town America..
spent my days growing up in a small town.. today it has
8,000 people.. back in the day, it had maybe 2,000, maybe)

and then comes the real question, what does this have to do
with..... ''WOKISM"... NOTHING.... NOTHING AT ALL....
it is just a red herring designed to hide the fact that
opponents of ''WOKISM'' have nothing....the allege burning of the
cities in question had nothing to do with ''WOKISM"

now, the next charges is that somehow 'WOKISM' has something
to do with "neo-Marxism"... I suppose you could be more wrong,
but I'm not sure how...

How does one get from Marxism, to being ''WOKE" ...

You now have to define Marxism...and its connection to
"WOKISM" but being wrong seems to be your forte....
so, tell us, what is Neo-Marxism and its connection to
to "WOKISM?"...

Kropotkin
'Peter Kropotkin', the most boring and idiotic person on this site. Even the username is boring and idiotic (and try saying it fast).

K: and we are reduced to making fun of my "name"...
you just keep on pounding that shoe on the table...
it must mean you are right, right?

Kropotkin

Posted: **Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:28 pm**

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:38 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:11 pm
Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:08 pm

K: ahhh, the big lie, like the fact that American cities were
"burned down" in Portland for example, what was burned, was part of one
small block, the civic area where the courthouse was... and it didn't burn
down the courthouse...just the fences around that courthouse...
the burning down of all those cities... WOW... and yet, entire cities
being burned down would attract some attention.. you would think...
but the fact is that very small areas of those cities were burn....
like in Atlanta, I saw pictures of a Burger King burning down..
is that the massive city burning you refer to?

The city that would support your contention would be
Kenosha... where 40 building burned down... but the fact is
that those 40 buildings were within a few blocks of each other...
so, did the entire city burn down? nope, just a few blocks..
I would suggest that an incompetent fire department may
have more to do with that then the protesters...
(my uncle was a voluntary fire fighter.. I learned a bit from him)
and since when was Kenosha "WOKE" I spent much of my childhood
in Wisconsin... and trust me, it ain't "WOKE" the only two cities
that might even be described as being ''WOKE" is Madison
and Milwaukee....certainly not where I spent my childhood...

(and before you even say it, I grew up in small town America..
spent my days growing up in a small town.. today it has
8,000 people.. back in the day, it had maybe 2,000, maybe)

and then comes the real question, what does this have to do
with..... ''WOKISM"... NOTHING.... NOTHING AT ALL....
it is just a red herring designed to hide the fact that
opponents of ''WOKISM'' have nothing....the allege burning of the
cities in question had nothing to do with ''WOKISM"

now, the next charges is that somehow 'WOKISM' has something
to do with "neo-Marxism"... I suppose you could be more wrong,
but I'm not sure how...

How does one get from Marxism, to being ''WOKE" ...

You now have to define Marxism...and its connection to
"WOKISM" but being wrong seems to be your forte....
so, tell us, what is Neo-Marxism and its connection to
to "WOKISM?"...

Kropotkin
'Peter Kropotkin', the most boring and idiotic person on this site. Even the username is boring and idiotic (and try saying it fast).
K: and we are reduced to making fun of my "name"...
you just keep on pounding that shoe on the table...
it must mean you are right, right?

Kropotkin

So a raised hand then. Well done old chap. Sorry. I've really tried, but I simply can't make my explanation of 'wokeness' any more basic than I already have.

Btw, don't you have some women's sporting events to win? Apparently there's a lot of money in it for 'transwomen' and it's a wonderful way of keeping women 'in their place' and 'off the podium'. You can even legally beat them up in boxing and team sports

Posted: **Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:13 pm**

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:08 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:32 pm
Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:15 pm K: your answer shows us the complete misunderstanding of what
'WOKISM" is...as I mentioned, it is awareness of being "alert
to racial prejudice and discrimination"
You've been sold a lie, PK. No such thing. It's Neo-Marxism, alright, and "critical consciousness" is their label for what you're talking about, not mine.

You need to research your own ideology, not just take it for granted. Buy yourself a copy of James Lindsay's "Race Marxism." It will do you a world of good to know some of the basics of the people you're trusting so absolutely.

so, in essence, the answer to your question is simple,
that there is no political action in America that
is based on ''WOKISM"
Wow. What an admission.

Okay. Let's pretend that's right. Just for fun. Forget the burning of Baltimore, of Atlanta, of Portland, of Kenosha, and the utter destruction of all those "Woke" driven cities, the poisonous agenda of CRT, the erroding of all of the rights of women by the trans...all of it. None of it ever happened, let's say.

Then what is your evidence that Wokism or "Woke identification," to use your term, does something good? You say now that it has done no political action. So then, it seems there's no evidence it achieves anything. And we are neither better if we "wake up," nor worse if we do not.

Or do you actually have something you want to put forward as a benefit of "Woke identification"?
K: ahhh, the big lie...

and then comes the real question, what does this have to do
with..... ''WOKISM"... NOTHING.... NOTHING AT ALL....

It has everything to do with Wokism. But back to my question: what is the empirical basis for your recommending of us being "woke"? What has Wokism done to make the world even a marginally better place.

Go ahead.

How does one get from Marxism, to being ''WOKE" ...

Very naturally. Go and read James Lindsay's "Race Marxism," and you'll have all your answers.

I've read all the stuff you admire...from idiots like hooks, Spivak and Di Angelo, to other crazed ideologues like Foucault, Gramsci and Paulo Freire, all the way back to Marx and Hegel, actually. And I can tell you for sure that the lines of derivation are as plain as day. Wokism is nothing other than a racialized Marxism, with all the same dirty tricks included. And if you follow the history, you'll find exactly the same. There's no genuinely new thing in it: it's all dialectical gnosticism and resentment.

But you can find that out for yourself, if you have the courage to do it. So I need not.

What you DO need to do, if you're going to defend Wokism, is give evidence that it does something good. Let's see that next.

Posted: **Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:16 am**

I must admit, I am astonished about the immense
blind spot you have...and wonder why you are even
on a philosophy website....as you can't even see what
becoming aware does for you...

So, what is ''WOKISM?" I have defined it as 'becoming aware" as
that is the dictionary definition of "WOKE" and nothing more..
there is no political context in being ''WOKE" nor is there any
other context outside of its original context which is racial...

but the fact is that we practice ''WOKE" when engaging in
philosophy.... think about it.... in reading Nietzsche for the first time,
and the scales fall from one's eyes. and that is ''WOKE",
or think about Kant... he says that reading Hume interrupted
his "dogmatic slumbers" and what might one call that event?
of "interrupting one's dogmatic slumbers?" Why becoming
''WOKE", becoming aware of.... that is the essential description
of being ''WOKE"....And that is the essential description/or value
of philosophy.. to become aware of, to become ''WOKE" of
the human condition we find ourselves in.....the value in ''WOKISM" is
itself...the path to wisdom is through this becoming ''WOKE" or
becoming aware of the things behind existence...

for Plato, it is to become aware of the eternal forms, the
perfect circle that we dimly use as inspiration to create
our own pale imitation of a circle... to see, as Plato says,
the things outside of our cave.... and the parable of the cave
exactly brings us to being ''WOKE"..

''WOKISM" isn't about any sort of political action, but
about becoming aware of what is behind the curtain...
to explore what it means to be human, not the readers digest
version we get from the bible or in school, our so called education,
but what it actually means to be human...that is what ''WOKE" actually
means.. and in that new understanding of what it means to be human,
that is the true value of being ''WOKE"... its not about some
political agenda or some mystical actions, but about how we
see and experience the world... and the basic point is that we see
or interpret the world based on the evidence we see, but and this
is important... we also base our interpretation on our education,
our upbringing, our social-political place in the world...
mostly from our interpretation of what we see..
which is about our values, our beliefs, our sense of right and wrong...
thus a conservative can see the exact same action as a liberal,
and come up with a completely different understanding of that event...
and that difference is based on what one believes in one mind....
if one see's the world as dark and unpleasant as the conservative does,
to see the world as dangerous and full of death, then that is how they
experience the world.... where Kenosha is burned down and Portland
is burned down.. but the fact of the matter is, neither city was burned down...
and not even close... but to a conservative their mindset, their beliefs
influence what they see....they create their reality out of their
fear and apprehension about the world....they see an event and turn it into
the end of the world... the sky is falling, the sky is falling.. forevermore
for a conservative... for we interpret the world according to
our values and beliefs... the world looks like what we think it
looks like... we interpret the world based on our isms and ideologies...
the world is created inside of our head....and with every single
''WOKISM" we see the world differently...to become aware of is
to become aware of what is happening outside of our own head...
not to be trapped into seeing the world as unaware, not 'WOKE"

Not to see the world through the filtered lens of one's education
or childhood indoctrinations or one's political beliefs....

to become free of one's own's indoctrinations is the goal...and that
means to become "WOKE"... To become aware of.... that is
the entire goal of philosophy.. to become aware of ones values
and beliefs and if those values/beliefs are actually our values and
beliefs or are they beliefs and values indoctrinated into us as
children.... that is what it means to be ''WOKE"
To understand the values/beliefs that we hold are really
our values/beliefs and why those values/beliefs, and not
other values/beliefs?

From Socrates to today, the entire point of philosophy is
to have some sort of engagement with the values and beliefs
we hold and why those values/beliefs and not other values/beliefs?

and therein lies the value of being ''WOKE". To follow Socrates
maxim and know the "unexamined life isn't worth living"
and in engaging in that most fundamental quest, we are
engaged in being "WOKE", becoming aware of....

to know ourselves... that is part of being ''WOKE"
to know thyself...

Kropotkin

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