Philosophy Now Forum

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 6:03 am
And now the kicker.....

But unfortunately, 90% of the posters here are very dogmatic in sticking to what they are naturally programmed with, i.e. stuck with the past and the norm.
This is why they are dogmatic with philosophical realism, [the evolutionary default] i.e. reality is mind-independent and many get very nasty [will even kill oppositions] when faced with disagreements.

VA is actually saying here that his life is in danger from other posters here. Now to be fair, English is not his first language. He may not realize that his wording means that posters here are a threat to his life. He may simply have meant that realists in general are a threat to his life and the lives of other antirealists.

If you know VA's history, this means that VA is viewing realists like he has in the past viewed Muslims.

VA is actually saying here that his life is in danger from other posters here. Now to be fair, English is not his first language. He may not realize that his wording means that posters here are a threat to his life. He may simply have meant that realists in general are a threat to his life and the lives of other antirealists.

If you know VA's history, this means that VA is viewing realists like he has in the past viewed Muslims.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 6:57 am We've seen this bizarre pre-emptive paranoia before, haven't we? We're "objectivists" who kill those who disagree...

Except now, iwannaplato, it's an actually literal objectivist who is afraid of us, ironically

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 11:02 am
Most of humanity will stay as crocodiles and alligators, evolutionarily stagnant, sitting in a pool of mud for 10 thousand years to come, going nowhere, inspired by nothing, inspiring nothing.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 1:44 pmBut also for Bezos gay marriage and transhumanism. For Musk - transhumanism where AI and humans are merged and we are all cyborgs.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 2:48 pmChristendom was not forwards looking. Cathederals were monuements to the past and their ideologies were sets of ideas engineered to preserve the past in the present. Christianity surpressed new ideas, and looked forewards only to destruction and rapture. Generations suffered and died in poverty to provide those cathederals to a sytem of government hell bent on the supression of change and the control of the people.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 2:48 pmChristians think they are stable and crocodile like, yet they have failed to survive into the present as they wished.
THe 1960s was a dcade of foward looking optimism, yet plagued by several terrible wars fought against poor and weak nations ,which prevailed often against the aggression of the rich and powerful.
Then we had faith in science, food science and the space race. That has all gone pearshaped and the vision of hotels on the moon by 2001 never came to pass because it was an idiotic dream. Food became bastardised, and led to an epidemic of diabetes and obesity. Heart disease and brain health also implicated food adulteration. And we are gradually desotrying the world through tpollution and climate change.
But there are still optimists goaded on by the pessimisim of potential disaster.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 7:29 pm We're guranteed to go extinct one way or another I guess, might as well be here.

seeds wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 8:12 pm

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 3:56 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 3:36 pm Space is hostile and dangerous. Everything we have evolved to need is right here on earth and space has nothing to offer us, except empty space.

Yes, that may be all "empty space" has to offer us, however, the trillions of planets suspended within that empty space are no doubt filled with infinite resources...

(e.g., minerals, metals, crystals, and exotic forms of stored energy, etc.)

...that our descendants could put to good use, sometime in the distant future.

And, of course, let's not forget about all of the slaves that humanity could possibly acquire after Wizard22's descendant's are successful in their conquest over any alien peoples.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 6:57 am We've seen this bizarre pre-emptive paranoia before, haven't we? We're "objectivists" who kill those who disagree...

Except now, iwannaplato, it's an actually literal objectivist who is afraid of us, ironically

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 5:33 amIn general, I agree with you on the above.
In the Ethical Theory section, the main theme all my posts are always focus on the moral progress of humanity in the future [next 50, 75, 100, 150 or > years].

At present, evolution wise all humans are more likely to be crocodilian-humans than being human-humans.
It was only relatively a short while ago, our ancestors were animals and thus the present Humans are being more animals than being more humans.
As such, it is the present default, as being more animal, all humans are programmed to focus their attention on the past rather than the future; this is most effective to facilitate survival and preservation of the species.

It is also a natural evolutionary default that a certain small % [say less than 1%] of humans are programmed [with mutations] to deviate from the norm to explore and think [philosophize] about of the greater threats in the future. It is this small % who unknowingly has to face greater risks of fatalities; this is so evident with the adventurous who deviated from the norms.

Since we are philosophizing in a Philosophy Forum, we should be thinking [into the future] and differently from the common vulgar people who are stuck with past.

But unfortunately, 90% of the posters here are very dogmatic in sticking to what they are naturally programmed with, i.e. stuck with the past and the norm.
This is why they are dogmatic with philosophical realism, [the evolutionary default] i.e. reality is mind-independent and many get very nasty [will even kill oppositions] when faced with disagreements.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 6:03 amVA is actually saying here that his life is in danger from other posters here. Now to be fair, English is not his first language. He may not realize that his wording means that posters here are a threat to his life. He may simply have meant that realists in general are a threat to his life and the lives of other antirealists.

If you know VA's history, this means that VA is viewing realists like he has in the past viewed Muslims.

VA is actually saying here that his life is in danger from other posters here. Now to be fair, English is not his first language. He may not realize that his wording means that posters here are a threat to his life. He may simply have meant that realists in general are a threat to his life and the lives of other antirealists.

If you know VA's history, this means that VA is viewing realists like he has in the past viewed Muslims.

Ansiktsburk wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 7:45 amNaah, most of the reason why people are ”stagnant” is because they are brought up in poor or daytime work habitats. They do not have the time to think too much about past and future. They might start to shake loose after 50 when kids move out. Now, if robots and stuff makes workdays shorter and chores less demanding normal people sure could grow visionary.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 9:14 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 2:48 pmChristendom was not forwards looking. Cathederals were monuements to the past and their ideologies were sets of ideas engineered to preserve the past in the present. Christianity surpressed new ideas, and looked forewards only to destruction and rapture. Generations suffered and died in poverty to provide those cathederals to a sytem of government hell bent on the supression of change and the control of the people.

To the peasants, carpenters, and stone-cutters working on the Cathedrals, it was very 'forward' for them at the time. They had no idea the full extent of what they were building or why. At that time, the Christian theologians and architects were looking toward the future. Was it devoted to the Past? That's arguable.

You can honor your ancestors, and in so doing, want to give your own children and grandchildren better lives. But you seem to be leaving out the second half. Those who enjoyed the Cathedrals, its beauty and grand design, concert halls, came well after the construction and funding.

People build bridges today, for people to travel over them tomorrow.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 2:48 pmChristians think they are stable and crocodile like, yet they have failed to survive into the present as they wished.
THe 1960s was a decade of foward looking optimism, yet plagued by several terrible wars fought against poor and weak nations ,which prevailed often against the aggression of the rich and powerful.
Then we had faith in science, food science and the space race. That has all gone pearshaped and the vision of hotels on the moon by 2001 never came to pass because it was an idiotic dream. Food became bastardised, and led to an epidemic of diabetes and obesity. Heart disease and brain health also implicated food adulteration. And we are gradually desotrying the world through tpollution and climate change.
But there are still optimists goaded on by the pessimisim of potential disaster.

Should past failures mean that we give up now? Stop dreaming? Stop trying?

Optimism is a solution here.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 9:37 am Humanity is owed a higher standard.