Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 10:01 am
Walker wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 11:00 pm
Here's why your thread title is wrong. Observation shows:
- What matters is the profound knowledge, that colors every moment, that life as you know it will totally change when you cannot ever take the next breath.
- That knowledge
perspectivizes any doing to be done.
- That’s the important thing that folks do know all the time, sooner or later.
- Religions and their people also know enough to intentionally worship the greater, or the greatest.
- Religions don’t intentionally worship the lesser, although they may inadvertently end up doing so.
- This is simply human nature, obvious in all the folks who informally worship the lesser, even outside of a religion.
- For example, some folks worship the lesser in the form of vices, such as gambling.
- Worship is bhakti devotion in thought and deed.
This is why Ayn Rand was an atheist. She figured that nothing is greater as an object of worship than uncorrupted human as a principle, which she personified through characters.
I do not know what you are talking about Walker.
Religion: a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion.
The only religion here that can be known is the interest in the I that knows.
The pursuit of I is a religion. The pursuit of an I who believes it has control over it's autonomy which then extends out to something else who is controlling the controller known as I .. in this case: A supreme Being known as God.
But there is no such thing...except as concept, which is illusory.
This all inclusive universe has no other requirement to be just as it is in every moment, and has absolutely no need for the belief in the existence of a supreme being known as God.
Belief is a mental construction, belief is an artifical superimposed add on to what is already everything, requiring nothing, and does not exist except as a mental concept in this conception. The Belief that there is a 'someone' called I who lives and dies, is just story, it's a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
The opposite is also true, which is a lie.
A pursuit of interest simply implies an object of my desire. In other words, to objectify a reality from what can never be objectified, or be made into an object. Except in this conception, which is obviously happening within the mind so as to make some constructive sense of this apparent sense of self...albeit illusory, since the self is just a mental construct, it's an idea that can never be seen physically as an object separate from the mind, rather, the self can only be known as an object conceptually. And because objects are not conscious, the whole idea of self is an illusion.
The 'Self' has never been seen, there is no physical sighting of a 'SELF' anywhere in reality.
The 'Self' is only known. By the only knowing there is which is consciousness.
And no thing knows what or how consciousness is, just that it IS..but not how or why or what it is.
All this make-belief ABOUT worshiping a God is the dream story believed to be real. But has no more substance or reality than a subroutine does in a computer, a computer that is synonymous with the human brain.
I do not know what you are talking about Walker.
I know exactly what you're talking about.
This is how I see, from your thinking-out-loud, that your thoughts don't go past your own assumptions. Here's why.
- Perhaps your imaginative notions of non-duality have yet to propel you to objective, dualistic analysis.
- Because it has not, of what use is it?
- The worship of “I,” is the reinforcement of self-concept.
- Self-concept, whatever it may be for any particular person, may indeed be worshiped as the greatest thing that is known or imaginable.
- However, even though believed and worshiped, this is not true. Why?
- Because humans have the innate, choiceless ability to imagine something greater than one’s own self-concept. This is a quality of human intelligence. It’s part of being a human bean.
- Therefore, the “I” which is defined by self-concept, a self-concept which falls short of being imaginably greater, is unworthy of being a religion … and everyone knows it. Why?
- Because religion requires one to worship, and to worship one must pay devotion to what is known to be, or imagined to be, greater than the “I” defined by self-concept.
- This is why, should you worship a light*, then you must imagine that light perceived by eye and mind sense, or just mind sense if ye eyes be gone, to be greater than any "I" that you can imagine.
* Or if you must, replace light with dog or some other critter, in which case it would be the spirit of that living thing. Or, pick the spirit of something inorganic, that is greater than one's self-concept, to worship. For instance, the immensity of the stars.