The Emergence of Theism and Solutions

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Re: The Emergence of Theism and Solutions

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sat Jun 18, 2022 4:05 am Can you prove that such absolute 'Truth' exists?
Please dwell on this question of yours.
If you meditate on it, it can give you a lot for your research.

Because this question of yours arises from a fundamental misunderstanding.
Concerning existing, demonstrating and absolute.

Your question can only be answered with no. Absolute Truth cannot be proven.
But what you should ask yourself is why.

You may then realize that Truth does not exist precisely because it is!
It is beyond existence.
And therefore nowhere.

How can it ever be proved that which allows each proof?

Your question should die before it is formulated.

And by dying the question you could then transcend.
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bobmax wrote: Sat Jun 18, 2022 12:43 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sat Jun 18, 2022 4:05 am Can you prove that such absolute 'Truth' exists?
Please dwell on this question of yours.
If you meditate on it, it can give you a lot for your research.

Because this question of yours arises from a fundamental misunderstanding.
Concerning existing, demonstrating and absolute.
How so, you need to explain your point in detail.
Your question can only be answered with no. Absolute Truth cannot be proven.
But what you should ask yourself is why.

You may then realize that Truth does not exist precisely because it is!
It is beyond existence.
And therefore nowhere.

How can it ever be proved that which allows each proof?

Your question should die before it is formulated.

And by dying the question you could then transcend.
If that is how you justify or rationalize my question, i.e.
Absolute Truth cannot be proven.
It is beyond existence.
And therefore nowhere.
then your 'Truth' is literally nonsense.
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Absolute Truth is Res ipsa loquitur.
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Re: The Emergence of Theism and Solutions

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 7:05 am
bobmax wrote: Sat Jun 18, 2022 12:43 pm Absolute Truth cannot be proven.
It is beyond existence.
And therefore nowhere.
then your 'Truth' is literally nonsense.
You are right!
It does not make sense.

But please don't go now. Hold on!

The Truth is not there, it is nothing ... Nowhere can I find it.
But if we think about it, could there ever be?

Because we are dealing with the absolute.
And the absolute just doesn't have to be there! If there was, game over.

It is precisely the non-existence of the Truth that allows existence.

However, what are you looking for but the Truth?
That is, the Right, the Good, the True. Which are not there.

Don't you get the suspicion that with this research of yours you are looking for yourself?
Aren't you really the Truth in the end?

"Know yourself"
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Re: The Emergence of Theism and Solutions

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bobmax wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 7:56 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 7:05 am
bobmax wrote: Sat Jun 18, 2022 12:43 pm Absolute Truth cannot be proven.
It is beyond existence.
And therefore nowhere.
then your 'Truth' is literally nonsense.
You are right!
It does not make sense.

But please don't go now. Hold on!

The Truth is not there, it is nothing ... Nowhere can I find it.
But if we think about it, could there ever be?

Because we are dealing with the absolute.
And the absolute just doesn't have to be there! If there was, game over.

It is precisely the non-existence of the Truth that allows existence.

However, what are you looking for but the Truth?
That is, the Right, the Good, the True. Which are not there.

Don't you get the suspicion that with this research of yours you are looking for yourself?
Aren't you really the Truth in the end?

"Know yourself"
Yes, it is critical to "Know Thyself".

There are two concepts of the self as claimed, i.e.

1. The Empirical Self [The I-THINK]
2. The Absolute self. [The I-AM].

There is only the empirical self that one and others can verify and justify and one has to refer to the scientific FSK. Note Hume's argument about the self.

The Absolute self, i.e. the I-AM is illusory and don't exists as real to be saved to heaven with eternal life.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 8:02 am The Absolute self, i.e. the I-AM is illusory and don't exists as real to be saved to heaven with eternal life.
You're not getting the point.

There is no absolute.
Therefore the absolute self does not exist, so it certainly cannot be saved in heaven.

But ... the absolute self is not an illusion at all!

You do not see it because you are lost in existence, in the multiple.
But it is enough that you really dig into your beloved science to end up realizing.
If you really want the Truth you have to dig until you meet the gaze of the Medusa.

Note, for example, that Zeno is still quite valid.
The physics of infinitesimals has not solved its paradoxes.
Zeno did not deny movement, but that something could move.
It is the multiple that does not stand!

But if you chase your FSK, you keep escaping the Medusa.
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Re: The Emergence of Theism and Solutions

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bobmax wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:49 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 8:02 am The Absolute self, i.e. the I-AM is illusory and don't exists as real to be saved to heaven with eternal life.
You're not getting the point.

There is no absolute.
Therefore the absolute self does not exist, so it certainly cannot be saved in heaven.

But ... the absolute self is not an illusion at all!
1 & 2 then 3.
Weird?

1. There is no absolute.
2. Therefore the absolute self does not exist.
3. But ... the absolute self is not an illusion at all!
You do not see it because you are lost in existence, in the multiple.
But it is enough that you really dig into your beloved science to end up realizing.
If you really want the Truth you have to dig until you meet the gaze of the Medusa.

Note, for example, that Zeno is still quite valid.
The physics of infinitesimals has not solved its paradoxes.
Zeno did not deny movement, but that something could move.
It is the multiple that does not stand!

But if you chase your FSK, you keep escaping the Medusa.
Note scientific facts are at best merely polished conjectures.

I am not into Scientism.
Science is the most credible we have at present so it is only wise and rational to use the most credible source of knowledge.

What you propose is pointing to nothing and nowhere.

With science I can accept any speculation that we are within a Matrix programmed by human-like aliens 1000 times more intelligent than humans and they exists light years away from Earth.
This is a speculation of possible reality and to confirm it is a matter of bringing in the empirical evidence to verify and justify is within the scientific FSK.
It is possible but personally I believe it is very improbable.

Meanwhile what you propose is merely noises but with no sense of empirical possibilities even with the slightest as I speculate above.
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Re: The Emergence of Theism and Solutions

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Veritas,
it is about the absolute!
And you tell me about the Matrix...

It is useless for you to keep declaring that you do not belong to scientism.

Really don't you notice that you are in it in full?

For you "Being there" == "Being"
And this is scientism.

Try to think, but really think with determination, what "absolute" means.

You will then perhaps be able to see how it must certainly be.
And... there can't be!
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