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simplicity wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:33 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:29 am In my case, the concern is not with the individual[s] but the human species as a whole.

That's very noble of you but don't you believe that trying to be the savior of humanity is biting-off a bit more than any of us is capable of chewing?

In real life I am doing what I can within my scope to contribute to the current situations. What is critical here to take care of oneself before taking care of others and the environment.

But note, we are in a Philosophical Forum where we are in a position and should discuss matters of the past, the present and the future. This is encompassed within Kant's [mentioned earlier]

• 1. What can I know, [truly] to enable
  2. What I can do, [optimally and morally] and with both above,
  3. What can I hope for, myself and future generations.

At this point of the discussion, the critical target is the survival of the human species.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:29 amNote I mentioned the threat of a rogue meteorite that could smash Earth in smithereens, then one will have nothing to run away from. In addition it is fact the Earth is orbiting towards the center of the Sun and each year the Earth will get hotter and hotter [of immediate effect] until it crashes into the Sun [in billion of years time].

There are those problems contributed by humans, e.g. climate change, pollution, etc. which are preventable and do not present a fatal threat to humanity as a whole.

So you spend your time worrying about this sort of thing? People will either figure out the climate/pollution one way of another. It's really not something that needs to keep you up at night. Man has always had to have these existential threats because ?? If it's not one thing, it's the other...

Nope, I don't spend my time worrying about those things. Note the detachments and non-clingingness of Buddhism and other spiritual approaches.

As mentioned above, the focus of the topic in this philosophical instance is about those things.
As stated whatever the problems humanity faced, we must tackle [if not discuss] the root causes which you are not addressing at all.

You need to be familiar with certain sophisticated approaches to Problem Solving Techniques, e.g.

What Is Problem Solving?
https://www.mindtools.com/pages/article/newTMC_00.htm
Root Cause Analysis
https://www.mindtools.com/pages/article/newTMC_80.htm

If you are familiar with the above approaches, you will not be simply proposing to change the people in charge.
Without a detailed understanding the root causes, your suggestions will only be fire-fighting.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:29 amBy the time humans are able to inhabit another planet, the average person's inherent moral impulse [moral compass] (following the current positive trend) would have unfolded and activated very significantly to spontaneously and naturally [with minimal enforcements] deal effectively with the 'shit' of the past.

You are addressing the issues above too superficially.

Perhaps, but I believe I understand the complexity of the issue [which is every issue going on in human civilization]. Perhaps you should start off with a more reasonable project like volunteering at your local food-bank or some such thing. The planet and humanity [as a whole] will take care of itself through the infinite things that take place continually.

As mentioned above, I remind you we are in a Philosophy Forum.

What is discussed in a Philosophy Forum could contribute [even a trickle] to the Database- of-Human-Knowledge which accumulates over time and is applied consciousness or unconsciously to resolve or prevent the above-mentioned and other problems.

The planet and humanity [as a whole] will take care of itself through the infinite things that take place continually.

This will not happen without human individuals contributing to the Database-of-Human-Knowledge, and so why can't we be one of those who contribute something to this database via such a Philosophy Forum and elsewhere.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:49 pmSocialism and anything remotely left-wing which attempts to redress the inequality by trying to engineer a situation where the people THAT ACTUALLY DO THE WORK might get paid a decent wage - has been turned into a dirty word.

Margaret Thatcher had it half right when she said, "Socialism works great until you run out other people's money."

Although any society must afford its citizens basic protections, socialism creates a bureaucratic monstrosity that is as inefficient as it is ripe for corruption.

If the 20th century revealed anything, it is that people need to be motivated to care for themselves [while government can do little (effectively) beyond providing security.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:02 am In real life I am doing what I can within my scope to contribute to the current situations. What is critical here to take care of oneself before taking care of others and the environment.

And this is the noblest of all human endeavors...simply taking care of oneself.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:02 amBut note, we are in a Philosophical Forum where we are in a position and should discuss matters of the past, the present and the future. This is encompassed within Kant's [mentioned earlier]

• 1. What can I know, [truly] to enable
  2. What I can do, [optimally and morally] and with both above,
  3. What can I hope for, myself and future generations.

What the hell does this guy know?

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:02 amAt this point of the discussion, the critical target is the survival of the human species.

Seriously, what does it matter whether we survive as a species? All species come and go [like all things]. If it happens in 100 years, 1000 years, 10,000 years, or whenever...who cares?

simplicity wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:30 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:49 pmSocialism and anything remotely left-wing which attempts to redress the inequality by trying to engineer a situation where the people THAT ACTUALLY DO THE WORK might get paid a decent wage - has been turned into a dirty word.

Margaret Thatcher had it half right when she said, "Socialism works great until you run out other people's money."

That just shows how ingorant of basic economics she was

Although any society must afford its citizens basic protections, socialism creates a bureaucratic monstrosity that is as inefficient as it is ripe for corruption.

Bollocks

If the 20th century revealed anything, it is that people need to be motivated to care for themselves [while government can do little (effectively) beyond providing security.

simplicity wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:37 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:02 am In real life I am doing what I can within my scope to contribute to the current situations. What is critical here to take care of oneself before taking care of others and the environment.

And this is the noblest of all human endeavors...simply taking care of oneself.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:02 amBut note, we are in a Philosophical Forum where we are in a position and should discuss matters of the past, the present and the future. This is encompassed within Kant's [mentioned earlier]

• 1. What can I know, [truly] to enable
  2. What I can do, [optimally and morally] and with both above,
  3. What can I hope for, myself and future generations.

What the hell does this guy know?

Don't you know, Kant is one of the Greatest Philosophers of all times in Western [as well as Eastern] Philosophy.
Whilst Kant like anyone else will not be able to know the diversified knowledge of reality during his time, in the past or the future, he was very knowledgeable of the core principles of human life reality from the Philosophical perspective.

As such relatively Kant knew much more than the average person in the above contexts.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:02 amAt this point of the discussion, the critical target is the survival of the human species.

Seriously, what does it matter whether we survive as a species? All species come and go [like all things]. If it happens in 100 years, 1000 years, 10,000 years, or whenever...who cares?

You are not a good natural human being if you have such indifferent and lackadaisical attitude to human life and humanity, no different from the hermits, the always-drunk and those homeless wandering in the streets like there is no tomorrow.

Note this thread:
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Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:06 pm

simplicity wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:30 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:49 pmSocialism and anything remotely left-wing which attempts to redress the inequality by trying to engineer a situation where the people THAT ACTUALLY DO THE WORK might get paid a decent wage - has been turned into a dirty word.

Margaret Thatcher had it half right when she said, "Socialism works great until you run out other people's money."

That just shows how ingorant of basic economics she was

Although any society must afford its citizens basic protections, socialism creates a bureaucratic monstrosity that is as inefficient as it is ripe for corruption.

Bollocks

If the 20th century revealed anything, it is that people need to be motivated to care for themselves [while government can do little (effectively) beyond providing security.

Do you consider yourself a socialist?

simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:54 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:06 pm

simplicity wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:30 pm
Margaret Thatcher had it half right when she said, "Socialism works great until you run out other people's money."

That just shows how ingorant of basic economics she was

Although any society must afford its citizens basic protections, socialism creates a bureaucratic monstrosity that is as inefficient as it is ripe for corruption.

Bollocks

If the 20th century revealed anything, it is that people need to be motivated to care for themselves [while government can do little (effectively) beyond providing security.

Do you consider yourself a socialist?

If I thought you knew the meaning of the word I might think it worth responding.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:24 pm

simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:54 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:06 pm
That just shows how ignorant of basic economics she was

Bollocks

Do you consider yourself a socialist?

If I thought you knew the meaning of the word I might think it worth responding.

I believe we could have an interesting conversation via a vis. After all, how much effort is involved?

simplicity wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 5:09 pm The point of philosophy is not in designing the safest and most secure places to hide, but instead, formulating an action plan, a way to to help move this mountain of putrid refuse toward the dump.

I think "the point of philosophy" is either consciously decided by the individual or the individual is attracted to philosophy by unconscious causes. Why would one become interested in philosophical thinking? From my perspective it's a psychological phenomenon.

simplicity wrote: ↑Tue Oct 05, 2021 1:41 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:24 pm

simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:54 pm
Do you consider yourself a socialist?

If I thought you knew the meaning of the word I might think it worth responding.

I believe we could have an interesting conversation via a vis. After all, how much effort is involved?

The evidence of your indoctrination augers poorly for a balanced conversation. Anyone who thinks a Thatcher soundbite has any value did not have to experience the devastating consequences of her regime, and probably learned the dogma whilst in short trounsers.