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Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:50 am Metaphysics is what determines proof as proof, there is no other FSK which defines the nature of proof other than metaphysics. The emptiness of all phenomena can be observed through metaphysics given the continual progression of one phenomenon to another, which is repeated, shows an inherent emptiness of the individual state.

Science does not determine proof as what constitutes what a proof actually is cannot be tested. In simpler terms there is no test for what constitutes proof other than repeatability, and what defines repeatability is subject to metaphysics. Science is an off branch of metaphysics.

Dually utility is not an FSK considering utility is subject to subjective parameters. What is deemed useful is deemed as subjective as what is subjective determines what has use. What has use for one person does not have use for another.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:52 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:50 am Metaphysics is what determines proof as proof, there is no other FSK which defines the nature of proof other than metaphysics. The emptiness of all phenomena can be observed through metaphysics given the continual progression of one phenomenon to another, which is repeated, shows an inherent emptiness of the individual state.

Science does not determine proof as what constitutes what a proof actually is cannot be tested. In simpler terms there is no test for what constitutes proof other than repeatability, and what defines repeatability is subject to metaphysics. Science is an off branch of metaphysics.

Dually utility is not an FSK considering utility is subject to subjective parameters. What is deemed useful is deemed as subjective as what is subjective determines what has use. What has use for one person does not have use for another.

Word salad.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:31 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:52 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:50 am Metaphysics is what determines proof as proof, there is no other FSK which defines the nature of proof other than metaphysics. The emptiness of all phenomena can be observed through metaphysics given the continual progression of one phenomenon to another, which is repeated, shows an inherent emptiness of the individual state.

Science does not determine proof as what constitutes what a proof actually is cannot be tested. In simpler terms there is no test for what constitutes proof other than repeatability, and what defines repeatability is subject to metaphysics. Science is an off branch of metaphysics.

Dually utility is not an FSK considering utility is subject to subjective parameters. What is deemed useful is deemed as subjective as what is subjective determines what has use. What has use for one person does not have use for another.

Word salad.

No it is just beyond your awareness.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:29 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:31 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:52 am
Word salad.

No it is just beyond your awareness.

There is a sexy spirit/ghost hovering and following you all the time and driving you with the above ideas.
Don't ask me for evidence, empirical and philosophically justification, because it is beyond your awareness.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:00 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:29 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:31 am
No it is just beyond your awareness.

There is a sexy spirit/ghost hovering and following you all the time and driving you with the above ideas.
Don't ask me for evidence, empirical and philosophically justification, because it is beyond your awareness.

Word salad.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:29 am There is a sexy spirit/ghost hovering and following you all the time and driving you with the above ideas.
Don't ask me for evidence, empirical and philosophically justification, because it is beyond your awareness.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:23 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:00 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:29 am
There is a sexy spirit/ghost hovering and following you all the time and driving you with the above ideas.
Don't ask me for evidence, empirical and philosophically justification, because it is beyond your awareness.

Word salad.

Yes, that's word salad which I had deliberately mirrored what you were spouting.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:59 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:23 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:00 am
Word salad.

Yes, that's word salad which I had deliberately mirrored what you were spouting.

Again, another word salad. You fail to realize there are some consciousness' beyond yours.

• I can see there is a nude sexy spirit/ghost hovering and following you all the time and driving you with the above ideas.
  Don't ask me for evidence, empirical and philosophical justification, because it is beyond your awareness.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:14 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:59 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:23 am
Yes, that's word salad which I had deliberately mirrored what you were spouting.

Again, another word salad. You fail to realize there are some consciousness' beyond yours.

Yes there are some sort of consciousness in some animals beyond mine. But these whatever consciousness disappear upon physical death of the animals.

To maintain intellectual integrity and honesty, whatever you claim as real you'll need to justify it empirically and philosophically within a credible FSK.
You are not doing any justification at all but merely making words salad and noises which are literally nonsense, i.e. nonsensical.

• I can see there is a nude sexy spirit/ghost hovering and following you all the time and driving you with the above ideas.
  Don't ask me for evidence, empirical and philosophical justification, because it is beyond your awareness.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:03 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:14 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:59 pm

Again, another word salad. You fail to realize there are some consciousness' beyond yours.

Yes there are some sort of consciousness in some animals beyond mine. But these whatever consciousness disappear upon physical death of the animals.

To maintain intellectual integrity and honesty, whatever you claim as real you'll need to justify it empirically and philosophically within a credible FSK.
You are not doing any justification at all but merely making words salad and noises which are literally nonsense, i.e. nonsensical.

• I can see there is a nude sexy spirit/ghost hovering and following you all the time and driving you with the above ideas.
  Don't ask me for evidence, empirical and philosophical justification, because it is beyond your awareness.

Empiricality and reason are FSKs which are empty in themselves this depends upon FSKs beyond them (ie pure observation, aka metaphysics). Where is the proof consciousness is negated upon death?

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:41 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:03 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:14 am
Yes there are some sort of consciousness in some animals beyond mine. But these whatever consciousness disappear upon physical death of the animals.

To maintain intellectual integrity and honesty, whatever you claim as real you'll need to justify it empirically and philosophically within a credible FSK.
You are not doing any justification at all but merely making words salad and noises which are literally nonsense, i.e. nonsensical.

• I can see there is a nude sexy spirit/ghost hovering and following you all the time and driving you with the above ideas.
  Don't ask me for evidence, empirical and philosophical justification, because it is beyond your awareness.

Empiricality and reason are FSKs which are empty in themselves this depends upon FSKs beyond them (ie pure observation, aka metaphysics). Where is the proof consciousness is negated upon death?

How come you are so stupid in regard to this common sense knowledge?
Do you have proof a corpse is conscious?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:14 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:41 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:03 pm
Empiricality and reason are FSKs which are empty in themselves this depends upon FSKs beyond them (ie pure observation, aka metaphysics). Where is the proof consciousness is negated upon death?

How come you are so stupid in regard to this common sense knowledge?
Do you have proof a corpse is conscious?

1. One FSK is dependent upon another FSK beyond it. Eventually this regresses to metaphysics

2. Do you have proof consciousness ends at death, ie consciousness only results from organisms? You would have to define consciousness to fit your argument considering consciousness is pattern formation and this pattern formation, ie reality, changes to another pattern after death.

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:20 am I didn't read through every post, so direct me to the post(s) in question if this was addressed already, but what exactly would you say the necessary and sufficient criteria are for a "framework and system of reality" or "framework and system of knowledge"?

• 1. Objectivity
  2. Verifiability
  3. Ethical Neutrality
  4. Systematic Exploration
  5. Reliability
  6. Precision
  7. Accuracy
  8. Abstractness
  9. Predictability.

You suggested that there is a general scientific FSR, and that it's different than a chemistry FSR, an astronomy FSR, etc. This seems like a very vague idea to me, and it seems very dubious that it would give more weight to any claim.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:15 am

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:20 am I didn't read through every post, so direct me to the post(s) in question if this was addressed already, but what exactly would you say the necessary and sufficient criteria are for a "framework and system of reality" or "framework and system of knowledge"?

I presume you are asking me the above?

All Framework and System of Reality or Knowledge must leveraged and be conditioned upon its constitution [implied or explicit] with all the relevant requirements, mechanisms, processes, etc..

For example if say the Scientific FSR/FSK has its specific criteria [s] that enable a theory to qualify as a scientific theory.
The main requirements is scientists must comply with the scientific methods, peer reviews and other requirements.

In addition, note the Top 9 Main Characteristics of scientific knowledge;
The nine main characteristics of science are as follows:
https://www.yourarticlelibrary.com/scie ... ined/35060

• 1. Objectivity
  2. Verifiability
  3. Ethical Neutrality
  4. Systematic Exploration
  5. Reliability
  6. Precision
  7. Accuracy
  8. Abstractness
  9. Predictability.

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You suggested that there is a general scientific FSR, and that it's different than a chemistry FSR, an astronomy FSR, etc. This seems like a very vague idea to me, and it seems very dubious that it would give more weight to any claim.

Note the requirements of the scientific FSK above which is general.

The Chemistry FSR/FSK is a sub-FSK of the Scientific FSK.
Whilst the Chemistry FSR/FSK must adopt the imperative conditions of the scientific FSK, the chemistry FSK has its specific features, where it will cover chemical combinations and reactions which is distinct from say Physics and biology.

The FSR/FSK is very critical to any knowledge claim, as the first thing that is needed is to understand which FSR/FSK should a claim be subjected to. Surely what is chemistry is not suitable to deal within biology.
Thus whatever fact is to be verified and justified it must always be qualified to a specific FSK, e.g. Science, legal, economics, sports, medical, astronomy, anthropology, chemistry, physics, etc.

At the fringe,
that the fact, the current Miss Universe is Zozibini Tunzi of South Africa, is only a fact as qualified to the Miss Universe Organizational FSK.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Universe