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Hermit Philosopher wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:22 amI can see how that perspective that you (and many others) hold, is a significant part in why the world is as “awful” as it is.

I strongly disagree that my perspective plays a significant part in whether reality is awful or not awful. In the same context I can talk about how awful fish eggs taste for me personally, but until one has tasted them experientially nothing I can say about them could ever convince anyone else what is my personal experience. I've experienced ''awful'' first hand, so I have the authority to know how ''awful'' awful really feels. I also have been lucky enough to have been born very intelligent and wise, in that I know the difference between what is awful and what is not..and because I am able to know that...I know that others must know that aswell.

Hermit Philosopher wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:22 amAll and any change - individual or collective, big or small - begins from within.


Humbly
Hermit

Yeah we've all heard that worn out cliché many times, but it means jack crap at the end of the day. It's just another boring meaningless silly platitude, maybe even a nice soothing balm and then a bandaid on a gaping wound. Oh yes, it's ok for a cat to be run over by a car and to be left dying in agony by the side of the road because the cat has developed an ''inner peace'' that will protect it from it's suffering. NO, no amount of inner change makes a sentient creature IMMUNE from suffering. I don't think so, suffering is just so damn awful, it is really really awful to take 5 hours to die from painful multiple broken bones, and it's only 2am in the morning, and there's no one around to rescue the poor cat.

I've played around with the idea of a positive universe for years, nearly all my life, but then one day I just suddenly had a flash of insight..I felt myself pondering the bigger picture.. the real picture....I CAME OUT

Out of the lie and the pretensive spell that most people refuse to leave. I came out of the lie and pretence, and into the real, and it's not pretty that's for sure.

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:57 am

Hermit Philosopher wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:22 amI can see how that perspective that you (and many others) hold, is a significant part in why the world is as “awful” as it is.

I strongly disagree that my perspective plays a significant part in whether reality is awful or not awful. In the same context I can talk about how awful fish eggs taste for me personally, but until one has tasted them experientially nothing I can say about them could ever convince anyone else what is my personal experience. I've experienced ''awful'' first hand, so I have the authority to know how ''awful'' awful really feels. I also have been lucky enough to have been born very intelligent and wise, in that I know the difference between what is awful and what is not..and because I am able to know that...I know that others must know that aswell.

Hermit Philosopher wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:22 amAll and any change - individual or collective, big or small - begins from within.


Humbly
Hermit

Yeah we've all heard that worn out cliché many times, but it means jack crap at the end of the day. It's just another boring meaningless silly platitude, maybe even a nice soothing balm and then a bandaid on a gaping wound. Oh yes, it's ok for a cat to be run over by a car and to be left dying in agony by the side of the road because the cat has developed an ''inner peace'' that will protect it from it's suffering. NO, no amount of inner change makes a sentient creature IMMUNE from suffering. I don't think so, suffering is just so damn awful, it is really really awful to take 5 hours to die from painful multiple broken bones, and it's only 2am in the morning, and there's no one around to rescue the poor cat.

I've played around with the idea of a positive universe for years, nearly all my life, but then one day I just suddenly had a flash of insight..I felt myself pondering the bigger picture.. the real picture....I CAME OUT

Out of the lie and the pretensive spell that most people refuse to leave. I came out of the lie and pretence, and into the real, and it's not pretty that's for sure.

Some more “truths” for you to add to your list, Dontaskme:

• It is a challenge not to lose respect for views that are tainted by arrogance.

• More often than not, the person in front of you, too has “experienced ‘awful’ first hand” and has the same amount of “authority to know how ‘awful’ awful really feels” as you do. That their conclusions still may not be as dark as yours, does not mean that the events you’ve encountered were worse, nor - I’m sorry to disillusion you further - that you be more intelligent than them.

• Some cliches are - unfortunately for you - simply real. In time, if you are lucky (and not entirely shut off in your darkness), life may teach you that first hand.

Hermit Philosopher wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:17 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:57 am

Hermit Philosopher wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:22 amI can see how that perspective that you (and many others) hold, is a significant part in why the world is as “awful” as it is.

I strongly disagree that my perspective plays a significant part in whether reality is awful or not awful. In the same context I can talk about how awful fish eggs taste for me personally, but until one has tasted them experientially nothing I can say about them could ever convince anyone else what is my personal experience. I've experienced ''awful'' first hand, so I have the authority to know how ''awful'' awful really feels. I also have been lucky enough to have been born very intelligent and wise, in that I know the difference between what is awful and what is not..and because I am able to know that...I know that others must know that aswell.

Hermit Philosopher wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:22 amAll and any change - individual or collective, big or small - begins from within.


Humbly
Hermit

Yeah we've all heard that worn out cliché many times, but it means jack crap at the end of the day. It's just another boring meaningless silly platitude, maybe even a nice soothing balm and then a bandaid on a gaping wound. Oh yes, it's ok for a cat to be run over by a car and to be left dying in agony by the side of the road because the cat has developed an ''inner peace'' that will protect it from it's suffering. NO, no amount of inner change makes a sentient creature IMMUNE from suffering. I don't think so, suffering is just so damn awful, it is really really awful to take 5 hours to die from painful multiple broken bones, and it's only 2am in the morning, and there's no one around to rescue the poor cat.

I've played around with the idea of a positive universe for years, nearly all my life, but then one day I just suddenly had a flash of insight..I felt myself pondering the bigger picture.. the real picture....I CAME OUT

Out of the lie and the pretensive spell that most people refuse to leave. I came out of the lie and pretence, and into the real, and it's not pretty that's for sure.

Some more “truths” for you to add to your list, Dontaskme:

• It is a challenge not to lose respect for views that are tainted by arrogance.

I'm not requesting respect. In fact I don't give a fuck what people think about my views. I'm simply viewing reality how it really actually is. I am lucky enough to have the keen sense of awareness to recognise that what I see is not always what it appears to be. I can logically and intelligently know from experience what's really lurking under the chocolate covered surface of reality. I'm not fooled by what I know and can see with my own eyes. If that comes across as arrogant to you, then that's just too bad.

Hermit Philosopher wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:17 pm

• More often than not, the person in front of you, too has “experienced ‘awful’ first hand” and has the same amount of “authority to know how ‘awful’ awful really feels” as you do. That their conclusions still may not be as dark as yours, does not mean that the events you’ve encountered were worse, nor - I’m sorry to disillusion you further - that you be more intelligent than them.

I never implied anything you have said in this obvious kneejerk reactive response. I've already stated that people can make their own informed choices as to how they see reality, according to their own experiences. It's a fact, intelligence does not lay it's eggs in piles of shit. Intelligence is knowledge, and humans have knowledge. This is not difficult to understand.

Hermit Philosopher wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:17 pm

• Some cliches are - unfortunately for you - simply real. In time, if you are lucky (and not entirely shut off in your darkness), life may teach you that first hand.

I never implied anything you have said in this obvious kneejerk reactive response.

And that is why you are not as intelligent as me yet. I'm not shut off in some dark cave as you have implied, that is simply a dumb typical non-intelligent erroneous believed assumption born of pure ignorance.

I can see the clarity of the situation I am viewing that is so blindingly obvious to me - in fact the light of my awareness on the reality of what it means to be a sentient being in this life consumes my entire being every minute of the day.


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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:52 pm

Hermit Philosopher wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:17 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:57 am

I strongly disagree that my perspective plays a significant part in whether reality is awful or not awful. In the same context I can talk about how awful fish eggs taste for me personally, but until one has tasted them experientially nothing I can say about them could ever convince anyone else what is my personal experience. I've experienced ''awful'' first hand, so I have the authority to know how ''awful'' awful really feels. I also have been lucky enough to have been born very intelligent and wise, in that I know the difference between what is awful and what is not..and because I am able to know that...I know that others must know that aswell.



Yeah we've all heard that worn out cliché many times, but it means jack crap at the end of the day. It's just another boring meaningless silly platitude, maybe even a nice soothing balm and then a bandaid on a gaping wound. Oh yes, it's ok for a cat to be run over by a car and to be left dying in agony by the side of the road because the cat has developed an ''inner peace'' that will protect it from it's suffering. NO, no amount of inner change makes a sentient creature IMMUNE from suffering. I don't think so, suffering is just so damn awful, it is really really awful to take 5 hours to die from painful multiple broken bones, and it's only 2am in the morning, and there's no one around to rescue the poor cat.

I've played around with the idea of a positive universe for years, nearly all my life, but then one day I just suddenly had a flash of insight..I felt myself pondering the bigger picture.. the real picture....I CAME OUT

Out of the lie and the pretensive spell that most people refuse to leave. I came out of the lie and pretence, and into the real, and it's not pretty that's for sure.

Some more “truths” for you to add to your list, Dontaskme:

• It is a challenge not to lose respect for views that are tainted by arrogance.

I'm not requesting respect. In fact I don't give a fuck what people think about my views. I'm simply viewing reality how it really actually is. I am lucky enough to have the keen sense of awareness to recognise that what I see is not always what it appears to be. I can logically and intelligently know from experience what's really lurking under the chocolate covered surface of reality. I'm not fooled by what I know and can see with my own eyes. If that comes across as arrogant to you, then that's just too bad.

Hermit Philosopher wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:17 pm

• More often than not, the person in front of you, too has “experienced ‘awful’ first hand” and has the same amount of “authority to know how ‘awful’ awful really feels” as you do. That their conclusions still may not be as dark as yours, does not mean that the events you’ve encountered were worse, nor - I’m sorry to disillusion you further - that you be more intelligent than them.

I never implied anything you have said in this obvious kneejerk reactive response. I've already stated that people can make their own informed choices as to how they see reality, according to their own experiences. It's a fact, intelligence does not lay it's eggs in piles of shit. Intelligence is knowledge, and humans have knowledge. This is not difficult to understand.

Hermit Philosopher wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:17 pm

• Some cliches are - unfortunately for you - simply real. In time, if you are lucky (and not entirely shut off in your darkness), life may teach you that first hand.

I never implied anything you have said in this obvious kneejerk reactive response.

And that is why you are not as intelligent as me yet. I'm not shut off in some dark cave as you have implied, that is simply a dumb typical non-intelligent erroneous believed assumption born of pure ignorance.

I can see the clarity of the situation I am viewing that is so blindingly obvious to me - in fact the light of my awareness on the reality of what it means to be a sentient being in this life consumes my entire being every minute of the day.

Hmm... you misread what I said, I think: It is I who do not like losing respect for someone else’s views, Dontaskme. It goes against the sense of humility (mine towards you, that is) that I strive to keep in my interactions with the world.

Please know that you needn’t waste further energy on my growing dislike for you - especially as you say you do not care what others think.

I thank you for having shared your thought but I believe I have read enough from you and I shall not be “exchanging” ideas with you any longer - come to think of it, that’s not really what you and I were doing... and as that is what I’m on here to do, it is sound to leave it like this.

Hermit Philosopher wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:56 pm

Hmm... you misread what I said, I think: It is I who do not like losing respect for someone else’s views, Dontaskme. It goes against the sense of humility (mine towards you, that is) that I strive to keep in my interactions with the world.

Please know that you needn’t waste further energy on my growing dislike for you - especially as you say you do not care what others think.

I thank you for having shared your thought but I believe I have read enough from you and I shall not be “exchanging” ideas with you any longer - come to think of it, that’s not really what you and I were doing... and as that is what I’m on here to do, it is sound to leave it like this.

I do not like you either, so touche away with you. I'm sorry if your interactive shared ideas with me were not to your liking or preference.

I do not care if others don't like my views. I do care about the suffering of human beings, I guess you misread me, it's a common mistake to misread others especially when their views are not what one expects to hear. I have absolutely no idea what you were expecting me to say to you.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:20 am Very happy thank you.

PS. If anyone is in hell, they certainly don't deserve lovin'.

God loves all his creations including the ones he condemns to eternal damnation

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:49 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:20 am Very happy thank you.

PS. If anyone is in hell, they certainly don't deserve lovin'.

God loves all his creations including the ones he condemns to eternal damnation

Yes, the great irony of it all. Save us from what? ...save us from God!

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 3:01 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:49 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:20 am Very happy thank you.

PS. If anyone is in hell, they certainly don't deserve lovin'.

God loves all his creations including the ones he condemns to eternal damnation

Yes, the great irony of it all. Save us from what? ...save us from God!

Your confusion is legendary.

bahman wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:17 pm As it is stated.

As I have suggested elsewhere, the mere possibility of the existence of Hell invokes the irrefutable (and utterly absurd) logic that every child on earth should be put to death in order to ensure that they do not have time to do anything evil, or to develop a character that is worthy of being sent there.

Sure, all human life would be extinguished on earth, but in order to prevent just one of us from being condemned to a dimension of everlasting torment and torture, it would be worth it.
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seeds wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:18 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:17 pm As it is stated.

As I have suggested elsewhere, the mere possibility of the existence of Hell invokes the irrefutable (and utterly absurd) logic that every child on earth should be put to death in order to ensure that they do not have time to do anything evil, or to develop a character that is worthy of being sent there.

Sure, all human life would be extinguished on earth, but in order to prevent just one of us from being condemned to a dimension of everlasting torment and torture, it would be worth it.
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So you are against the idea of punishment?

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 3:33 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 3:01 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:49 pm

God loves all his creations including the ones he condemns to eternal damnation

Yes, the great irony of it all. Save us from what? ...save us from God!

Your confusion is legendary.

It's not worth pointing out to an over-educated unintelligent doofus (U) that everything works, including human emotion, according to a SIN wave variant.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:51 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 3:33 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 3:01 pm

Yes, the great irony of it all. Save us from what? ...save us from God!

Your confusion is legendary.

It's not worth pointing out to an over-educated unintelligent doofus (U) that everything works, including human emotion, according to a SIN wave variant.

ROLF

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:48 am

gaffo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:25 am got a chss date with my bst friend - who is sadly killing himself with liquor - so i take the time to value the litle time he has to this life. he did not use to be an alchoholic, but is one now - in his mid 50's. does not seem to be able to help himself, and as a friend i do what i can - noting basically -

I'd drink all his alcohol as often as I could. That\s the best I could do.

gaffo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:25 am i preach sometimes, but not too much for it is usless. i just remain his friend until he die. without judgment.

off to chess game - until a few days- maybe i shall here from you this wekend or next weekned.
peace to you isr.

Good on ya gaffo - may the pawns be with you.. And get yer mate a hooker, at least then he might understand the true goodness to lick her.

I'm watchin a movie so cbf from down under!

thanks for showing your character, and to ignore future posts by you.

2 cents.