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Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:46 am There are good ideologies and bad ideologies(sets and systems of belief). Looking around, it seems to me most Muslims are not greatly interested in religious ideology(set and system of belief) but rather in religious practices such as prayers, clothing, and diets. The strong injunctions towards social order in the Koran seem to me to be a lot more important to Muslims than the injunction to kill non-Muslims. These two sets of injunctions are , in a modern democracy, mutually incompatible and Muslims who are normally practical people choose to be social beings as far as killing non Muslims is concerned as that is firmly against the law.

As I had stated in this OP;

• • A Muslim is one who had Entered into a Contract with Allah.
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Surely you understand a person is obligated to comply with ALL the terms of the contract s/he had entered into except for any proviso included therein.

Since a Muslim had signed a contract with Allah, he has no choice but to comply with all commands from Allah. There is a proviso in the Allah-Muslim contract, i.e. within his ability, e.g. a leg amputee is not expected to walk and run to comply with Allah's command.

As such, it is within the ability of all normal Muslims to war against and kill non-Muslims as commanded in the Quran upon any slightest threat to the religion. [Q5:33 - fasadin]. In Allah eyes, there is no excuse for these normal Muslims not to do they duty to kill non-Muslims upon any threats to the religion.
This is what the Muslim in the OP did, no excuse given and carry out Allah's command as duty - i.e. beheaded the person who merely discuss [did not draw] the cartoons.

I agree the majority of Muslims would be prefer to normal human beings inclined to do the rituals [5 pillars of Islam] and if they are aware will avoid the ugly and evil bits in their contractual terms.

But the reality with Islam is there are 1.5 billion of Muslims around the world and 20% [best guess] has an active evil tendency - that is 300 millions of evil prone Muslims of various degrees.
Even if we reduce that to 1% that is still 15 millions and it only took 18++ to do a 911.
Can you see the critical and fatality of Islam and the evil prone Muslims in this sense.

There is no cure for Islam because the evil doctrines as terms of contracts with Muslims are immutable.
DNA wise, there is also no immediate cure for the 20% evil prone humans.

Thus the most rational solution is to get rid of the doctrine of Islam [which is immutable and the good & evil cannot be separated], so that the evil prone has nothing to feast on to commit evil acts driven by its evil doctrine.
Do you agree with the above at least in theory on the basis of rationality?

I do agree Xianity is a religion of belief rather than practise, and that this results in the ideology(set and system of belief) of Xianity being more important to Xians than theirs is to Muslims. When Xians have strayed from 'Love all even enemies' an alternative ideology(st and system of belief) has taken the place of 'Love all even enemies'. This is frequently if not always an ideology (set and system of belief) that glorifies and legitimates greed in its various guises. Indeed Xianity is sometimes slated as a religion suited only to the poor and down- trodden.It is actually quite hard to picture any rich man as a good man, at best he is a good man despite his wealth.

Because of the inherent and avoidable existential crisis, AT PRESENT [not future] the majority of humans [rich, poor, whatever] are driven towards some sort of religion.
This is why the majority will gravitate toward Christianity or Islam which are the prominent religions.

There is only a small % who personal choose or convert into Islam or Christianity. The majority are born into their religion.
Both Christianity and Islam focus on beliefs and practices.

There is no alternative to the 'love all even enemies' because there is no way to change the terms of the contract the Christian has entered into with Jesus/God.
Whenever you refer to Christianity or Islam, don't forget the imperative contract/covenant.

If there is any change of terms from the imperative contractual terms, then what is practiced cannot be Christianity-proper or Islam-proper.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:05 am Muhammad as a baby.jpg

That sums up the difference between the holy prophet of Xianity and the holy prophet of Islam. Muhammad is never portrayed, even by Hadith, as a human being. On the other hand the life of Jesus according to the Gospels portrays him as a baby, and as a grown man being tempted to be naughty.It absolutely okay for children to imagine Baby Jesus in a nappy.

The founding of Xianity upon a human being is the superior strength of Xianity.

Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:10 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:05 am Muhammad as a baby.jpg

That sums up the difference between the holy prophet of Xianity and the holy prophet of Islam. Muhammad is never portrayed, even by Hadith, as a human being. On the other hand the life of Jesus according to the Gospels portrays him as a baby, and as a grown man being tempted to be naughty.It absolutely okay for children to imagine Baby Jesus in a nappy.

The founding of Xianity upon a human being is the superior strength of Xianity.

Hi Belinda, Y do U state Xianity rather than Christianity?

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attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:54 am.

Poor baby doesn't have a nose...

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:37 am

Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:10 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:05 am Muhammad as a baby.jpg

That sums up the difference between the holy prophet of Xianity and the holy prophet of Islam. Muhammad is never portrayed, even by Hadith, as a human being. On the other hand the life of Jesus according to the Gospels portrays him as a baby, and as a grown man being tempted to be naughty.It absolutely okay for children to imagine Baby Jesus in a nappy.

The founding of Xianity upon a human being is the superior strength of Xianity.

Hi Belinda, Y do U state Xianity rather than Christianity?

Lazy

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:29 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:54 am.

Poor baby doesn't have a nose...

She would have a knows but reincarnated into bad light.

Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:33 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:37 am

Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:10 am
That sums up the difference between the holy prophet of Xianity and the holy prophet of Islam. Muhammad is never portrayed, even by Hadith, as a human being. On the other hand the life of Jesus according to the Gospels portrays him as a baby, and as a grown man being tempted to be naughty.It absolutely okay for children to imagine Baby Jesus in a nappy.

The founding of Xianity upon a human being is the superior strength of Xianity.

Hi Belinda, Y do U state Xianity rather than Christianity?

Lazy

My Mum when I was a child complained of people posting Christmas cards with Merry Xmas etc..

Can't remember Y she was so upset by it..

X marks the spot. Put Christ if U R one with some.

It's the Power of FAITH.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:50 am It's the Power of FAITH.

In Atheism?

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:47 am

Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:33 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:37 am

Hi Belinda, Y do U state Xianity rather than Christianity?

Lazy

My Mum when I was a child complained of people posting Christmas cards with Merry Xmas etc..

Can't remember Y she was so upset by it..

X marks the spot. Put Christ if U R one with some.

My father thought X for Christ was disrespectful. I don't mean to be disrepsectful.

Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:50 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:47 am

Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:33 am
Lazy

My Mum when I was a child complained of people posting Christmas cards with Merry Xmas etc..

Can't remember Y she was so upset by it..

X marks the spot. Put Christ if U R one with some.

My father thought X for Christ was disrespectful. I don't mean to be disrepsectful.

Do wot u will. I was just interested.

Saving the energy within ones fingers, the wear on a keyboard, the electricity of 4 ASCII characters is too important..to waste on Christ.

just kidding ..but yeah, the dude deserves more than an X.

France attack: Three killed in 'Islamist terrorist' stabbings
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54729957

Three people have died in a knife attack at a church in Nice, in what French President Emmanuel Macron said was an "Islamist terrorist attack".
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In Nice, one elderly victim was "virtually beheaded", officials said. Another woman and a man also died.

Mr Ricard said the suspect was a 21-year-old Tunisian national who had arrived in France earlier this month. He had a document issued by the Italian Red Cross.
Police sources earlier named the attacker as Brahim Aioussaoi. They said he had travelled by boat from Tunisia to the Italian island of Lampedusa in September. He was placed in coronavirus quarantine there before being released and told to leave Italy.

Nice Mayor Christian Estrosi spoke of "Islamo-fascism" and said the suspect had "repeated endlessly 'Allahu Akbar' (God is greatest)".

I say the France Government and those in Europe are VERY STUPID in welcoming groups with potentially killers [very evident] with open arms. These governments must be accountable for their stupidity.

The root causes to the above are the following;

• 1. Within any group [reasonable large] of human there is a natural % [best guess 20%] of evil prone people.
  2. Islam is an ideology that has inherent evil and violent elements in the Quran.
  3. All Muslims are contracted with Allah to obey all the commands in the Quran.
  4. Those in 1 will feast contractually on the evil elements in 2 as a religious duty.

This is why the consequences of evil and violence is so evident from SOME Muslims because they are duty bound and compelled to commit those acts [good to them, evil to the rest] as a religious duty.

The focus must be directed on the truth of evil and violence elements in the ideology.

At present the blame is always on the radicals believers who are actually victims of the ideology itself. This is merely fire-fighting and not targeting the root cause, thus not effective.

If like for all humans, 20% of Muslims are evil prone that is a pool of 300 million evil prone Muslims around the world. It is not practical to deal with 300 million individuals and there is no way to tweak their DNA to inhibit their natural tendency for evil.
However there is only ONE ideology which has the evil and evil elements that influence the 300 million believers.
Pareto wise, it is thus rational and effective to deal with ONE variable, i.e. the ideology.

Veritas Aequitas, there is no state that welcomes terrorists.All states try their best to either exclude terrorists or bring them to justice.