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It's not about ME. What I believe or not will have zero effect on your situation. But I will offer you a proper explanation anyway.owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:00 pm Answer to Emmanuel Can.
So you believe in more than one God. "I am the Lord your God and you shall have no Gods before me."
Of course it's about you. Your god is everything that you wish, and he will punish everyone who disagrees with you. The amazing thing is you are so conceited you don't think that's a coincidence.
No one is in any danger from your god Mr Can, for the same reason that no one is in any danger from you.
If Jesus is God then he could not die.owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:02 pm You missed the point of my post that there is only one God and Jesus was one (in consciousness) with that God.
If only that were true.uwot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:36 pmOf course it's about you. Your god is everything that you wish, and he will punish everyone who disagrees with you. The amazing thing is you are so conceited you don't think that's a coincidence.No one is in any danger from your god Mr Can, for the same reason that no one is in any danger from you.
It's not a big problem in Europe. The Middle East is fucked because of it, and now a scarily large minority of Americans are determined to follow suit.Greatest I am wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:17 pmIf only that were true.Yours Truly wrote: No one is in any danger from your god Mr Can, for the same reason that no one is in any danger from you.
The religious and their immoral policies continue to plague us.
If only that were true.Greatest I am wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:17 pmOh well. At least the right wing fascist loony squad is shrinking.
Religion worked well when social classes and economies were rigidly fixed, and social superiors in local communities took it for granted the people who lived in the big house along with the vicar distributed charity to the poor.uwot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:11 amIt's not a big problem in Europe. The Middle East is fucked because of it, and now a scarily large minority of Americans are determined to follow suit.Greatest I am wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:17 pmIf only that were true.Yours Truly wrote: No one is in any danger from your god Mr Can, for the same reason that no one is in any danger from you.
The religious and their immoral policies continue to plague us.If only that were true.Greatest I am wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:17 pmOh well. At least the right wing fascist loony squad is shrinking.
Well, when you say that something "worked well", you have to know what you want it to do before you can judge its efficacy. Christianity was very successful at maintaining the structure you mention above. A few parables were key: "Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." So it might seem a bit unfair, but don't worry because: "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth." So in the meantime, be a good serf and "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's." What christianity fails to point out is the reason the people who lived in the big house could afford to distribute charity was that they had acquired all the best resources by violence. If supporting a hierarchy in which a small elite exploit other human beings, then yep, religion worked well.
I always assume religion everywhere is part of the prevailing ethnic culture of any society. The prevailing ethnic culture of the society in which religion"worked" was one that included rigid social class divisions. It was a culture that conserved the rural economy as it was. Charity was ethical as it made the lives of the working people sufficiently less bad that they remained contented with the status quo and got on with their work . Economic change and new forms of exploitation were to come with urbanisation, but for centuries rural economies and their cultures of belief worked well.uwot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:38 pmWell, when you say that something "worked well", you have to know what you want it to do before you can judge its efficacy. Christianity was very successful at maintaining the structure you mention above. A few parables were key: "Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." So it might seem a bit unfair, but don't worry because: "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth." So in the meantime, be a good serf and "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's." What christianity fails to point out is the reason the people who lived in the big house could afford to distribute charity was that they had acquired all the best resources by violence. If supporting a hierarchy in which a small elite exploit other human beings, then yep, religion worked well.
Belinda wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:13 pmI always assume religion everywhere is part of the prevailing ethnic culture of any society. The prevailing ethnic culture of the society in which religion"worked" was one that included rigid social class divisions. It was a culture that conserved the rural economy as it was. Charity was ethical as it made the lives of the working people sufficiently less bad that they remained contented with the status quo and got on with their work . Economic change and new forms of exploitation were to come with urbanisation, but for centuries rural economies and their cultures of belief worked well.uwot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:38 pmWell, when you say that something "worked well", you have to know what you want it to do before you can judge its efficacy. Christianity was very successful at maintaining the structure you mention above. A few parables were key: "Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." So it might seem a bit unfair, but don't worry because: "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth." So in the meantime, be a good serf and "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's." What christianity fails to point out is the reason the people who lived in the big house could afford to distribute charity was that they had acquired all the best resources by violence. If supporting a hierarchy in which a small elite exploit other human beings, then yep, religion worked well.
Also, I think we need to remember that ancient ancestral violence was not committed by farmers and associated workers such as smiths but by aristocrats and their militias. The rural economy sort of kept going throughout the warfare. Farmers want to plant , reap, and rear and so are attached to their land.
This entire thread seems to be about some assumption that God knows ALL the future, therefore does not have free will, and since Jesus was God incarnate he also has no free will.