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Advocate wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:22 pm By deriving (base a concept on a logical extension or modification of (another concept)) i merely meant came from, but it's technically correct either way. All things on the "spiritual" side of this line (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... y_X2Kbneo/) is contingent (salience, perspective, and priority) and based on things on the material side of the line.

All concepts exist. Even god exists as a concept, and oughts, like all other spiritual concepts, also does real, material, world work. It's as real as real gets. It's simply not physically so until we can correlate the patterns in the brain.

You're doing quite well with your skepticism, but there's no purpose to it if it doesn't help lead to actionable certainty. Skepticism/deconstruction is only a first step, but it's far from helpful here because my OPs Are deconstructed, and put back together with the glue of logical necessity.

I'm not following Sam, i've independently derived almost everything i've ever thought, but his is the example most people will be able to connect with. He's better than almost anyone else i've heard of, incidentally. He's more logical than Pinker, for example.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:16 pm Why should people care about purpose and 'actionable certainty'?

Advocate wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:55 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:16 pm Why should people care about purpose and 'actionable certainty'?

Well i can't think of any Good reasons...

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:09 pm

Advocate wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:55 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:16 pm Why should people care about purpose and 'actionable certainty'?

Well i can't think of any Good reasons...

Why should people follow any reasons?

Advocate wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:16 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:09 pm

Advocate wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:55 pm

Well i can't think of any Good reasons...

Why should people follow any reasons?

I follow reasons because it helps me get what i want.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:54 pm

Advocate wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:16 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:09 pm
Why should people follow any reasons?

I follow reasons because it helps me get what i want.

Why should people get what they want? We can do this forever and you'll never produce an ought from an is.

Advocate wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:07 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:54 pm

Advocate wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:16 pm

I follow reasons because it helps me get what i want.

Why should people get what they want? We can do this forever and you'll never produce an ought from an is.

They're contingent, hasn't this been covered adequately? IF you want X THEN Y is a better way to get it than Z. You SHOULD operate in the best way to get your desires because that's what you want for yourself. Therefore you SHOULD do Y. You create your own SHOULDs. As far as we agree upon our objectives, that's our shared SHOULDs.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:26 pm

Advocate wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:07 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:54 pm
Why should people get what they want? We can do this forever and you'll never produce an ought from an is.

They're contingent, hasn't this been covered adequately? IF you want X THEN Y is a better way to get it than Z. You SHOULD operate in the best way to get your desires because that's what you want for yourself. Therefore you SHOULD do Y. You create your own SHOULDs. As far as we agree upon our objectives, that's our shared SHOULDs.

Why should I fulfill my desires?

Advocate wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:27 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:26 pm

Advocate wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:07 pm

They're contingent, hasn't this been covered adequately? IF you want X THEN Y is a better way to get it than Z. You SHOULD operate in the best way to get your desires because that's what you want for yourself. Therefore you SHOULD do Y. You create your own SHOULDs. As far as we agree upon our objectives, that's our shared SHOULDs.

Why should I fulfill my desires?

If you don't want to fulfill your desires then you SHOULD still accept this understanding because it's the best way to do that too.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:30 pm

Advocate wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:27 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:26 pm
Why should I fulfill my desires?

If you don't want to fulfill your desires then you SHOULD still accept this understanding because it's the best way to do that too.

Why should I care about what's best?

Advocate wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:09 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:30 pm

Advocate wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:27 pm

If you don't want to fulfill your desires then you SHOULD still accept this understanding because it's the best way to do that too.

Why should I care about what's best?

Have fun on your slippery slope to nowhere.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:45 pm

Advocate wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:09 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:30 pm
Why should I care about what's best?

Have fun on your slippery slope to nowhere.

Not like we should get anywhere.

Advocate wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:32 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:45 pm

Advocate wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:09 pm

Have fun on your slippery slope to nowhere.

Not like we should get anywhere.

Nihilism is the best way to become an existential lump.