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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:50 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:40 am

dorothea wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:31 am Western meddling? Like removing a depraved thug like Saddam Hussein and expecting the grateful population to embrace human decency and democracy? Iraq is the mess it is because the Iraqis prefer to adhere to a 7th century ideology of racist supremacy and hatred. Saddam was financing attacks on Israeli housing estates - including those occupied by the Arabs (20% of the population) and invaded Kuwait and committed atrocities there. That sort of meddling is okay with you is it? You sound like those dimwits protesting slavery on the streets this week who are unaware that the greatest slave traders were and continue to be African/Arab Muslims and were still selling women in open markets in 1900s.

The West did not meddle enough. Can you name one single Muslim country that would not benefit from being ruled by UK/USA? Was Aristotle right when he said that some people are fitted only for rule by morally superior others? Looking at the stone-headed, attention-seeking, pampered, hypocrite protestors following liars and malicious leaders, it looks like it.

The entire Middle East is the mess it is because after the fall of Ottoman, the British and the French carved it up without regard to existing ethnic and religious differences; they also made the stupid mistake of making provision for a permanent white settlement to be populated with white settlers from all over Europe and American who brought their own brand of racism and political and religious bigotry. Using justification based on the holocaust they seem to have decided that concentration camps and ethnic cleansing were great policies to ensure their occupation of Palestine. Powerful Jews in American ensured that thousands of tanks and planes could be given to the (so-called) Israel to further oppress the indigenous Arabian culture which has existed there since time immemorial.
Places like Iraq and Kuwait had never existed before this time. The roots of the strife, bloodshed and terrorism can be traced specifically to the Sykes/Pichot agreement and the Balfour Declaration. Both arrogant acts of imperialism.

See what I mean? Another religious nut-job reading straight from the Bible of the Politically Correct.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:03 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:40 am

dorothea wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:31 am Western meddling? Like removing a depraved thug like Saddam Hussein and expecting the grateful population to embrace human decency and democracy? Iraq is the mess it is because the Iraqis prefer to adhere to a 7th century ideology of racist supremacy and hatred. Saddam was financing attacks on Israeli housing estates - including those occupied by the Arabs (20% of the population) and invaded Kuwait and committed atrocities there. That sort of meddling is okay with you is it? You sound like those dimwits protesting slavery on the streets this week who are unaware that the greatest slave traders were and continue to be African/Arab Muslims and were still selling women in open markets in 1900s.

The West did not meddle enough. Can you name one single Muslim country that would not benefit from being ruled by UK/USA? Was Aristotle right when he said that some people are fitted only for rule by morally superior others? Looking at the stone-headed, attention-seeking, pampered, hypocrite protestors following liars and malicious leaders, it looks like it.

The entire Middle East is the mess it is because after the fall of Ottoman, the British and the French carved it up without regard to existing ethnic and religious differences; they also made the stupid mistake of making provision for a permanent white settlement to be populated with white settlers from all over Europe and American who brought their own brand of racism and political and religious bigotry. Using justification based on the holocaust they seem to have decided that concentration camps and ethnic cleansing were great policies to ensure their occupation of Palestine. Powerful Jews in American ensured that thousands of tanks and planes could be given to the (so-called) Israel to further oppress the indigenous Arabian culture which has existed there since time immemorial.
Places like Iraq and Kuwait had never existed before this time. The roots of the strife, bloodshed and terrorism can be traced specifically to the Sykes/Pichot agreement and the Balfour Declaration. Both arrogant acts of imperialism.

You seem to conveniently forget that Jews purchased land legally from non Palestinian arab landowners.

Why do you think this is bad anyway? According to you we are all human. There are no races. We are all the same. How can there be such a thing as genocide if we are all the same? Therefore you are just being a racist hypocrite when you say it's terrible that Jews emigrated in large numbers to the region. If anyone else complains about large numbers of immigrants flooding into their country or foreigners buying up huge swathes of land then the PCturd thought police comes down on them like a ton of bricks. 'Waah, what a raaacist, wah wah blah blah rant hypocritical rant rave...'
What difference does it make whether Jews or Muslims run Israel? I mean, they are all the same aren't they?

Bloody PCturds. They are so befuddled with religious zeal that they don't even care when their despicable hypocrisy is on full display. Now you can toddle off and make an offering to your Noam shrine.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:29 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:50 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:40 am

The entire Middle East is the mess it is because after the fall of Ottoman, the British and the French carved it up without regard to existing ethnic and religious differences; they also made the stupid mistake of making provision for a permanent white settlement to be populated with white settlers from all over Europe and American who brought their own brand of racism and political and religious bigotry. Using justification based on the holocaust they seem to have decided that concentration camps and ethnic cleansing were great policies to ensure their occupation of Palestine. Powerful Jews in American ensured that thousands of tanks and planes could be given to the (so-called) Israel to further oppress the indigenous Arabian culture which has existed there since time immemorial.
Places like Iraq and Kuwait had never existed before this time. The roots of the strife, bloodshed and terrorism can be traced specifically to the Sykes/Pichot agreement and the Balfour Declaration. Both arrogant acts of imperialism.

See what I mean? Another religious nut-job reading straight from the Bible of the Politically Correct.

I do no t care what you mean, and less about what you say.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:30 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:03 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:40 am

The entire Middle East is the mess it is because after the fall of Ottoman, the British and the French carved it up without regard to existing ethnic and religious differences; they also made the stupid mistake of making provision for a permanent white settlement to be populated with white settlers from all over Europe and American who brought their own brand of racism and political and religious bigotry. Using justification based on the holocaust they seem to have decided that concentration camps and ethnic cleansing were great policies to ensure their occupation of Palestine. Powerful Jews in American ensured that thousands of tanks and planes could be given to the (so-called) Israel to further oppress the indigenous Arabian culture which has existed there since time immemorial.
Places like Iraq and Kuwait had never existed before this time. The roots of the strife, bloodshed and terrorism can be traced specifically to the Sykes/Pichot agreement and the Balfour Declaration. Both arrogant acts of imperialism.

You seem to conveniently forget that Jews purchased land legally from non Palestinian arab landowners.

False. The Israeli state was founded by terrorists.
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Why do you think this is bad anyway? According to you we are all human. There are no races. We are all the same. How can there be such a thing as genocide if we are all the same? Therefore you are just being a racist hypocrite when you say it's terrible that Jews emigrated in large numbers to the region. If anyone else complains about large numbers of immigrants flooding into their country or foreigners buying up huge swathes of land then the PCturd thought police comes down on them like a ton of bricks. 'Waah, what a raaacist, wah wah blah blah rant hypocritical rant rave...'
What difference does it make whether Jews or Muslims run Israel? I mean, they are all the same aren't they?

Bloody PCturds. They are so befuddled with religious zeal that they don't even care when their despicable hypocrisy is on full display. Now you can toddle off and make an offering to your Noam shrine.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:30 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:29 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:50 am

See what I mean? Another religious nut-job reading straight from the Bible of the Politically Correct.

I do no t care what you mean, and less about what you say.

Of course you don't care. You are righteous and morally beyond reproach. I bow down before your supreme moral authority.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:27 pm ''Jewish rabbis purchasing land from arab landownder 1920s''

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:33 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:30 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:29 pm

I do no t care what you mean, and less about what you say.

Of course you don't care. You are righteous and morally beyond reproach. I bow down before your supreme moral authority.

Thank you - you know it makes sense. Superior knowledge is always better than your gross ignorance, and bigotry.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:34 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:27 pm ''Jewish rabbis purchasing land from arab landownder 1920s''

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:42 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:34 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:27 pm ''Jewish rabbis purchasing land from arab landownder 1920s''

No. It is some geezers holding a piece of paper. Meaningless propaganda for the slow of thinking.

https://forward.com/news/israel/207479/ ... internmen/

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:46 pm https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.pr ... -1.7435103

Historian Tamar Novick was jolted by a document she found in the file of Yosef Waschitz, from the Arab Department of the left-wing Mapam Party, in the Yad Yaari archive at Givat Haviva. The document, which seemed to describe events that took place during the 1948 war, began:

“Safsaf [former Palestinian village near Safed] – 52 men were caught, tied them to one another, dug a pit and shot them. 10 were still twitching. Women came, begged for mercy. Found bodies of 6 elderly men. There were 61 bodies. 3 cases of rape, one east of from Safed, girl of 14, 4 men shot and killed. From one they cut off his fingers with a knife to take the ring.”

The writer goes on to describe additional massacres, looting and abuse perpetrated by Israeli forces in Israel’s War of Independence. “There’s no name on the document and it’s not clear who’s behind it,” Dr. Novick tells Haaretz. “It also breaks off in the middle. I found it very disturbing. I knew that finding a document like this made me responsible for clarifying what happened.”



The Upper Galilee village of Safsaf was captured by the Israel Defense Forces in Operation Hiram toward the end of 1948. Moshav Safsufa was established on its ruins. Allegations were made over the years that the Seventh Brigade committed war crimes in the village. Those charges are supported by the document Novick found, which was not previously known to scholars. It could also constitute additional evidence that the Israeli top brass knew about what was going on in real time.

Novick decided to consult with other historians about the document. Benny Morris, whose books are basic texts in the study of the Nakba – the “calamity,” as the Palestinians refer to the mass emigration of Arabs from the country during the 1948 war – told her that he, too, had come across similar documentation in the past. He was referring to notes made by Mapam Central Committee member Aharon Cohen on the basis of a briefing given in November 1948 by Israel Galili, the former chief of staff of the Haganah militia, which became the IDF. Cohen’s notes in this instance, which Morris published, stated: “Safsaf 52 men tied with a rope. Dropped into a pit and shot. 10 were killed. Women pleaded for mercy. [There were] 3 cases of rape. Caught and released. A girl of 14 was raped. Another 4 were killed. Rings of knives.”

Morris’ footnote (in his seminal “The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-1949”) states that this document was also found in the Yad Yaari Archive. But when Novick returned to examine the document, she was surprised to discover that it was no longer there.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:46 pm the Nakba – the “calamity,” as the Palestinians refer to the mass emigration of Arabs from the country during the 1948 war

Amnon Neumann (regretful Israeli oppressor) wrote:
The first time I entered Kaukawba and Burayr, I had never seen such poverty, there was nothing there. No furniture or anything, there were shelves made of straw and mud. The houses were made of mud and straw. It was a horrible thing. The only thing that happened to them was the 1948 tragedy of the Nakba. Because we did not come to take their taxes, but we came to seize the land from foreigners. That was the basis of our thinking. To inherit the land. And we inherited the land and whoever inherits the land oust the others. This is the reason we did not return them. This happened everywhere. In the south as well as the north, everywhere. This is the most important point. The land was not empty as I was told as a child. As children we were told all sorts of stories. The land was never empty. I know this because I lived with Arabs, I know it was not empty. At that time I did not see anything wrong with what we were doing. I was brought up with it like every one was brought up. And I fulfilled my duty with loyalty. If I was told to do things that I do not want to mention, I did them with no doubts at all. Now, it is already fifty sixty years that I am filled with regrets.

(...)We shot our guns and they fled to Gaza. We surrounded them from all directions, shot in the air or at them, and they ran away. They had nothing to defend. They knew they had to go to Gaza. And they knew the directions better than we did.

(…) In the last day of the truce, we were told the Egyptians brought to Kaufaha and Muharaka 20mm canons and that tomorrow they will activate them and that we need to destroy these villages. And we went there and the men fled, it was customary. The men were running before, leaving the women and children and then we would expell them. And this is how it went in Kaufaha. We surrounded the village and started shooting in the air and everyone started screaming, and we drove them out. Women and children went to Gaza. (...) We did not enter the villages to stay there, but to expel them. By the morning there was nobody there. We burnt their houses with hay roofs. The only village that I mentioned before, Huj that remained intact (...) ...they were expelled together with the Arabs of Ashkelon. Because in 1951, Moshe Dayan, IDF's General Chief of Staff, decided to expel the 2000 remaining Arabs of Ashkelon. And he expelled them to Gaza, together with the people of Huj. These were peaceful and quiet villagers. They deserved to remain on their lands as they did 5000 years before.

Averroes wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 11:19 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:46 pm the Nakba – the “calamity,” as the Palestinians refer to the mass emigration of Arabs from the country during the 1948 war

Thank you for the reference to that document. Please, allow me to share the following with you in return. You might be interested to know that there is a YouTube video of a regretful Israeli soldier of that period who participated in the 1948 massacre of the Palestinians and his testimony corroborates the description in the article you dug up. The name of the soldier is Amnon Neumann and the following is an except of what he said in the video:

Amnon Neumann (regretful Israeli oppressor) wrote:
The first time I entered Kaukawba and Burayr, I had never seen such poverty, there was nothing there. No furniture or anything, there were shelves made of straw and mud. The houses were made of mud and straw. It was a horrible thing. The only thing that happened to them was the 1948 tragedy of the Nakba. Because we did not come to take their taxes, but we came to seize the land from foreigners. That was the basis of our thinking. To inherit the land. And we inherited the land and whoever inherits the land oust the others. This is the reason we did not return them. This happened everywhere. In the south as well as the north, everywhere. This is the most important point. The land was not empty as I was told as a child. As children we were told all sorts of stories. The land was never empty. I know this because I lived with Arabs, I know it was not empty. At that time I did not see anything wrong with what we were doing. I was brought up with it like every one was brought up. And I fulfilled my duty with loyalty. If I was told to do things that I do not want to mention, I did them with no doubts at all. Now, it is already fifty sixty years that I am filled with regrets.

(...)We shot our guns and they fled to Gaza. We surrounded them from all directions, shot in the air or at them, and they ran away. They had nothing to defend. They knew they had to go to Gaza. And they knew the directions better than we did.

(…) In the last day of the truce, we were told the Egyptians brought to Kaufaha and Muharaka 20mm canons and that tomorrow they will activate them and that we need to destroy these villages. And we went there and the men fled, it was customary. The men were running before, leaving the women and children and then we would expell them. And this is how it went in Kaufaha. We surrounded the village and started shooting in the air and everyone started screaming, and we drove them out. Women and children went to Gaza. (...) We did not enter the villages to stay there, but to expel them. By the morning there was nobody there. We burnt their houses with hay roofs. The only village that I mentioned before, Huj that remained intact (...) ...they were expelled together with the Arabs of Ashkelon. Because in 1951, Moshe Dayan, IDF's General Chief of Staff, decided to expel the 2000 remaining Arabs of Ashkelon. And he expelled them to Gaza, together with the people of Huj. These were peaceful and quiet villagers. They deserved to remain on their lands as they did 5000 years before.

Here is the link to the full interview if you are interested: https://youtu.be/KS4OXOom_vk

There are many photos of the Nakba depicting the great exodus of the Palestinian people fleeing from the Israeli oppressors. In case you or anyone else might be interested, I have selected some below to post here. According to the reference you provided, Israel wants to hide these. So let us show them here!









You have seen the picture of rabbis allegedly buying land which was shared by another member. And this was a very interesting picture actually. The most important element of that picture to consider is not the picture itself but the date, ie 1920! At that time the Jews and Muslims in Palestine were living peacefully together as they had been living for hundreds of years before and throughout the lands under Muslim administration. Rabbi David Weiss talks eloquently on that subject. Among the many Youtube videos of him, I selected the following one to show you, if you be interested of course: https://youtu.be/vqBJTBIUtM8

Averroes wrote: ↑Thu Jun 11, 2020 11:19 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:46 pm the Nakba – the “calamity,” as the Palestinians refer to the mass emigration of Arabs from the country during the 1948 war

Thank you for the reference to that document. Please, allow me to share the following with you in return. You might be interested to know that there is a YouTube video of a regretful Israeli soldier of that period who participated in the 1948 massacre of the Palestinians and his testimony corroborates the description in the article you dug up. The name of the soldier is Amnon Neumann and the following is an except of what he said in the video:

Amnon Neumann (regretful Israeli oppressor) wrote:
The first time I entered Kaukawba and Burayr, I had never seen such poverty, there was nothing there. No furniture or anything, there were shelves made of straw and mud. The houses were made of mud and straw. It was a horrible thing. The only thing that happened to them was the 1948 tragedy of the Nakba. Because we did not come to take their taxes, but we came to seize the land from foreigners. That was the basis of our thinking. To inherit the land. And we inherited the land and whoever inherits the land oust the others. This is the reason we did not return them. This happened everywhere. In the south as well as the north, everywhere. This is the most important point. The land was not empty as I was told as a child. As children we were told all sorts of stories. The land was never empty. I know this because I lived with Arabs, I know it was not empty. At that time I did not see anything wrong with what we were doing. I was brought up with it like every one was brought up. And I fulfilled my duty with loyalty. If I was told to do things that I do not want to mention, I did them with no doubts at all. Now, it is already fifty sixty years that I am filled with regrets.

(...)We shot our guns and they fled to Gaza. We surrounded them from all directions, shot in the air or at them, and they ran away. They had nothing to defend. They knew they had to go to Gaza. And they knew the directions better than we did.

(…) In the last day of the truce, we were told the Egyptians brought to Kaufaha and Muharaka 20mm canons and that tomorrow they will activate them and that we need to destroy these villages. And we went there and the men fled, it was customary. The men were running before, leaving the women and children and then we would expell them. And this is how it went in Kaufaha. We surrounded the village and started shooting in the air and everyone started screaming, and we drove them out. Women and children went to Gaza. (...) We did not enter the villages to stay there, but to expel them. By the morning there was nobody there. We burnt their houses with hay roofs. The only village that I mentioned before, Huj that remained intact (...) ...they were expelled together with the Arabs of Ashkelon. Because in 1951, Moshe Dayan, IDF's General Chief of Staff, decided to expel the 2000 remaining Arabs of Ashkelon. And he expelled them to Gaza, together with the people of Huj. These were peaceful and quiet villagers. They deserved to remain on their lands as they did 5000 years before.

Here is the link to the full interview if you are interested: https://youtu.be/KS4OXOom_vk

There are many photos of the Nakba depicting the great exodus of the Palestinian people fleeing from the Israeli oppressors. In case you or anyone else might be interested, I have selected some below to post here. According to the reference you provided, Israel wants to hide these. So let us show them here!









You have seen the picture of rabbis allegedly buying land which was shared by another member. And this was a very interesting picture actually. The most important element of that picture to consider is not the picture itself but the date, ie 1920! At that time the Jews and Muslims in Palestine were living peacefully together as they had been living for hundreds of years before and throughout the lands under Muslim administration. Rabbi David Weiss talks eloquently on that subject. Among the many Youtube videos of him, I selected the following one to show you, if you be interested of course: https://youtu.be/vqBJTBIUtM8