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Re: There Are No Miracles
Posted: Sun May 17, 2020 3:27 pm
by RCSaunders
Skepdick wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 2:15 pm
And that's where it ends for me. I don't need to resort to pejorative narratives such as "justify their superstitions mean" to belittle people's vocation of their emotions.
It would only be a pejorative if
you regard superstition as something to be judged. I didn't judge superstition, I just pointed out people use what they call miracles to justify those beliefs.
Re: There Are No Miracles
Posted: Sun May 17, 2020 3:31 pm
by Skepdick
RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 3:27 pm
I just pointed out people use what they call miracles to justify those beliefs.
They use the word "miracle" (which expresses surprise) to express that something they never expected to happen actually happened. Fucking obviously!
Like winning the lottery. If I won the lottery - my belief in miracles is fully justifiable.
Of course, you can always be an overly-pedantic snob and insist that what other people call a "miracle" is just an "incredibly rare event", but - nobody should care - it's just your misguided crusade against the word "miracle".
Like I said - you have the emotional intelligence of a potato.
Re: There Are No Miracles
Posted: Mon May 18, 2020 11:50 am
by surreptitious57
RCSaunders wrote:
The body of established science is not at all in question but is so well established it is taken for granted
At the end of the nineteenth century it was thought that physics was virtually complete - that was until Quantum Mechanics was discovered
Newtons Law Of Universal Gravitation was accepted without question for over two centuries before being invalidated by General Relativity
General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics are the twin pillars of twentieth century physics - yet they are entirely incompatible
Science can only account for just four per cent of the observable Universe - dark energy and dark matter are complete mysteries
The Standard Model Of Particle Physics cannot account for the extra ninety six per cent - and it is the most accurate model there is
All knowledge arrived at by induction is provisional and so should never be regarded as absolute as the above statements demonstrate
Re: There Are No Miracles
Posted: Mon May 18, 2020 1:58 pm
by RCSaunders
surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 11:50 am
RCSaunders wrote:
The body of established science is not at all in question but is so well established it is taken for granted
At the end of the nineteenth century it was thought that physics was virtually complete - that was until Quantum Mechanics was discovered
Newtons Law Of Universal Gravitation was accepted without question for over two centuries before being invalidated by General Relativity
General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics are the twin pillars of twentieth century physics - yet they are entirely incompatible
Science can only account for just four per cent of the observable Universe - dark energy and dark matter are complete mysteries
The Standard Model Of Particle Physics cannot account for the extra ninety six per cent - and it is the most accurate model there is
All knowledge arrived at by induction is provisional and so should never be regarded as absolute as the above statements demonstrate
As I said:
At the cutting edge of scientific research is all hypothesis, not established theory, and it is always that part of science those who claim nothing is established in science address.
and
There is always more to learn about everything, even in science, and many scientific principles become refined and more nuanced, but basic principles are never cancelled by new knowledge.
You have named a handful of things that science is still grappling with as though they were all of science.
They are a tiny fraction of science.
If you want to believe induction is how science is done and that nothing is a scientific certainty, fine, but you are going to have to believe no medicine can be counted on working, and none of your electronic devices are reliable, that none of the materials anything is made of, from metals to plastics, are what they seem to be.
Please see my articles here on
Philosophy Now, "
Science Philosophy," and, "
Certain Knowledge."