ROTFLMFHODontaskme wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 9:48 amThink what you like - but I happen to think he's an honest, genuine, and decent straight-up-down-to-earth kind of guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8wJc7vHcTs
Did I say that?Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 11:02 amSo what, we'll just silence Trump instead?Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 11:26 pm Another hint as to Trump's strategy is that Dr Fauci has been blocked from giving evidence at the latest Covid hearing, by the "White House".
Not only is this a serious breach of democratic protocol; the executive should not dictate to the judiciary. It is a clear act to silence the man who is best qualified to give a science based view.
You are a waste of oxygen
Look mate, even you don't know what's really going on. . you are just reading the media news reports like everyone else, and making from it your own self bias conclusion of what you believe is happening.
That's why Trump wants the real truth to out.
And lets hope Dr Fauci doesn't take it personally. Trump only wants what's best, he wants to uncover the lies in favor of truth.
Science is also a religion.
Who's right, who knows the real truth..god or man?
Reports: Bombshell US intelligence claims China lied about coronavirus outbreak.
Trump said he had seen evidence that coronavirus may have been created in the Chinese lab.
Information on asymptomatic carriers of the covid 19 disease was 'kept silent' by the Chinese state.
If China has been covering up information by lying, they will be held accountable and billed for their crimes against humanity...you'll see, just wait and see what happens. Trump will get to the bottom of all this, no doubt.
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Trump has achieved nothing with either Russia or Korea except a successful publicity campaign for his own brand.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 11:12 amI don't know if I would call Trump "evil". He's definitely misguided about a lot of things, however, he's actually been a bit more pacifist than many of our previous presidents. I think his handling of North Korea and Russia have actually been pretty good. We're not on quite as antagonistic terms with them as we once were. Of course, he's gotten us into worse relations with China but he seems to be right that we've become too dependent on China (as evidenced by supply shortages here during the COVID 19 crisis). I actually think it was better that we got Trump instead of Clinton. Clinton would have kept us at odds with Russia and North Korea, probably even worsened it and it would have been business as usual with respect to China. Now does that mean Trump is ideal? Absolutely not. I'm sure there are far better candidates out there--one's that would work better with or pay more attention to scientific expertise. But "evil"? I think that's a little harsh.Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:23 am
In a thread on Twitter, David Frum claimed reports the White House is now pivoting its pandemic messaging to the economy showed Trump is "consciously choosing to risk higher virus casualties" in the second quarter of 2020 "in hope of jolting the economy into revival in Q3 to save his re-election" in November.
"It's a desperate gamble to save himself by sacrificing others," wrote Frum, who is now a senior editor at The Atlantic, warning: "It's also not very likely to work."
From Yahoo News.
This is assuming that Trump is clear headed enough to think this thing through.
An old friend of mine used to say "no one ever got anywhere overestimating the intelligence of the American Public". It's my view that people tend to mistakenly see intentions and schemes in Trump's actions, and that this leads to a series of confused analyses. When I point this out, unrepentantly, they say "Ah but that's all part of Trump's MO, to keep people guessing at his real intentions"
I think it is crystal clear. Trump is basically stupid. Nothing said that more than the now legendary "disinfectant" press conference. The advice should be "no one ever got anywhere by overestimating the intelligence of Donald Trump."
Either Trump is an evil, hyper-intelligent Machiavellian monster, able to manipulate the public, or not. There is no middle ground considering his actions.
Personally I think Trump is just as dumb as the majority of the unwashed public, and that this is how he is able to appeal so widely. He thinks like they do. Any gaffs he makes are soon forgotten, or seldom noticed. And the establishment that surrounds him, Ivy Leaguers, cannot bring themselves to understand that a person who so thoroughly and viscerally embodies the ideological ideal of their precious capitalist state, and has achieved the highest office could be thick as pig shit.
Confirmed, reported Covid 19 deaths; 61,669
Weekly increase: 13,775
Then why is he so constantly deceptive and untruthful? If he really cares about truth, he wouldn't just expect it of others, he would demand it of himself. And he clearly doesn't. Here's a database of his untruthfulness: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... e_manual_2 -- although we don't really need to refer to such a resource, because Trump childishly reveals his own dishonesty all the time.
Well, NK has simmered down with the Nuke threats. We're not continually saber-rattling with them on a regular basis like we were with previous administrations. And I heard that the Russians sent us some supplies for the COVID 19 crisis. Trump has also offered to return the favor and send ventilators to Russia, which Russia appears to be thankfully accepting. I sort of doubt we'd have even that level of goodwill between our countries had Clinton been in office. She probably would have retained the sour relations our political establishment had with Russia after the Ukraine crisis--especially given Russia's attempts to meddle in our election (which our political establishment had much loathing over and made a great stink about, even though we do it to others and some experts say it didn't have a noticeable effect anyway).Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 2:42 pmTrump has achieved nothing with either Russia or Korea except a successful publicity campaign for his own brand.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 11:12 amI don't know if I would call Trump "evil". He's definitely misguided about a lot of things, however, he's actually been a bit more pacifist than many of our previous presidents. I think his handling of North Korea and Russia have actually been pretty good. We're not on quite as antagonistic terms with them as we once were. Of course, he's gotten us into worse relations with China but he seems to be right that we've become too dependent on China (as evidenced by supply shortages here during the COVID 19 crisis). I actually think it was better that we got Trump instead of Clinton. Clinton would have kept us at odds with Russia and North Korea, probably even worsened it and it would have been business as usual with respect to China. Now does that mean Trump is ideal? Absolutely not. I'm sure there are far better candidates out there--one's that would work better with or pay more attention to scientific expertise. But "evil"? I think that's a little harsh.Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:23 am
In a thread on Twitter, David Frum claimed reports the White House is now pivoting its pandemic messaging to the economy showed Trump is "consciously choosing to risk higher virus casualties" in the second quarter of 2020 "in hope of jolting the economy into revival in Q3 to save his re-election" in November.
"It's a desperate gamble to save himself by sacrificing others," wrote Frum, who is now a senior editor at The Atlantic, warning: "It's also not very likely to work."
From Yahoo News.
This is assuming that Trump is clear headed enough to think this thing through.
An old friend of mine used to say "no one ever got anywhere overestimating the intelligence of the American Public". It's my view that people tend to mistakenly see intentions and schemes in Trump's actions, and that this leads to a series of confused analyses. When I point this out, unrepentantly, they say "Ah but that's all part of Trump's MO, to keep people guessing at his real intentions"
I think it is crystal clear. Trump is basically stupid. Nothing said that more than the now legendary "disinfectant" press conference. The advice should be "no one ever got anywhere by overestimating the intelligence of Donald Trump."
Either Trump is an evil, hyper-intelligent Machiavellian monster, able to manipulate the public, or not. There is no middle ground considering his actions.
Personally I think Trump is just as dumb as the majority of the unwashed public, and that this is how he is able to appeal so widely. He thinks like they do. Any gaffs he makes are soon forgotten, or seldom noticed. And the establishment that surrounds him, Ivy Leaguers, cannot bring themselves to understand that a person who so thoroughly and viscerally embodies the ideological ideal of their precious capitalist state, and has achieved the highest office could be thick as pig shit.
Confirmed, reported Covid 19 deaths; 61,669
Weekly increase: 13,775
Nothing is different.
How was NK paid off to be quiet?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 5:03 pmWell, NK has simmered down with the Nuke threats. We're not continually saber-rattling with them on a regular basis like we were with previous administrations. And I heard that the Russians sent us some supplies for the COVID 19 crisis. Trump has also offered to return the favor and send ventilators to Russia, which Russia appears to be thankfully accepting. I sort of doubt we'd have even that level of goodwill between our countries had Clinton been in office. She probably would have retained the sour relations our political establishment had with Russia after the Ukraine crisis--especially given Russia's attempts to meddle in our election (which our political establishment had much loathing over and made a great stink about, even though we do it to others and some experts say it didn't have a noticeable effect anyway).Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 2:42 pmTrump has achieved nothing with either Russia or Korea except a successful publicity campaign for his own brand.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 11:12 am
I don't know if I would call Trump "evil". He's definitely misguided about a lot of things, however, he's actually been a bit more pacifist than many of our previous presidents. I think his handling of North Korea and Russia have actually been pretty good. We're not on quite as antagonistic terms with them as we once were. Of course, he's gotten us into worse relations with China but he seems to be right that we've become too dependent on China (as evidenced by supply shortages here during the COVID 19 crisis). I actually think it was better that we got Trump instead of Clinton. Clinton would have kept us at odds with Russia and North Korea, probably even worsened it and it would have been business as usual with respect to China. Now does that mean Trump is ideal? Absolutely not. I'm sure there are far better candidates out there--one's that would work better with or pay more attention to scientific expertise. But "evil"? I think that's a little harsh.
Nothing is different.
https://thehill.com/policy/internationa ... entilators
Oh FFS. Trump won because Americans preferred him to Bitchillary. Enough of your pathetic conspiractard theories.Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 5:42 pmHow was NK paid off to be quiet?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 5:03 pmWell, NK has simmered down with the Nuke threats. We're not continually saber-rattling with them on a regular basis like we were with previous administrations. And I heard that the Russians sent us some supplies for the COVID 19 crisis. Trump has also offered to return the favor and send ventilators to Russia, which Russia appears to be thankfully accepting. I sort of doubt we'd have even that level of goodwill between our countries had Clinton been in office. She probably would have retained the sour relations our political establishment had with Russia after the Ukraine crisis--especially given Russia's attempts to meddle in our election (which our political establishment had much loathing over and made a great stink about, even though we do it to others and some experts say it didn't have a noticeable effect anyway).
https://thehill.com/policy/internationa ... entilators
Have you conveniently forgotten the US highjacked PPE equipment bound for the UK, they call that piracy.
Have you forgotten that Russia is implicated in Trump's election success? When you allow Russian prostitutes to piss on your face and Putin has the film he's going to occasionally call in his debt. I do not think that is a good thing.
Dream on, but you cannot know what Clinton would have done differently over Ukraine.
You are such a racist.Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 2:42 pmTrump has achieved nothing with either Russia or Korea except a successful publicity campaign for his own brand.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 11:12 amI don't know if I would call Trump "evil". He's definitely misguided about a lot of things, however, he's actually been a bit more pacifist than many of our previous presidents. I think his handling of North Korea and Russia have actually been pretty good. We're not on quite as antagonistic terms with them as we once were. Of course, he's gotten us into worse relations with China but he seems to be right that we've become too dependent on China (as evidenced by supply shortages here during the COVID 19 crisis). I actually think it was better that we got Trump instead of Clinton. Clinton would have kept us at odds with Russia and North Korea, probably even worsened it and it would have been business as usual with respect to China. Now does that mean Trump is ideal? Absolutely not. I'm sure there are far better candidates out there--one's that would work better with or pay more attention to scientific expertise. But "evil"? I think that's a little harsh.Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:23 am
In a thread on Twitter, David Frum claimed reports the White House is now pivoting its pandemic messaging to the economy showed Trump is "consciously choosing to risk higher virus casualties" in the second quarter of 2020 "in hope of jolting the economy into revival in Q3 to save his re-election" in November.
"It's a desperate gamble to save himself by sacrificing others," wrote Frum, who is now a senior editor at The Atlantic, warning: "It's also not very likely to work."
From Yahoo News.
This is assuming that Trump is clear headed enough to think this thing through.
An old friend of mine used to say "no one ever got anywhere overestimating the intelligence of the American Public". It's my view that people tend to mistakenly see intentions and schemes in Trump's actions, and that this leads to a series of confused analyses. When I point this out, unrepentantly, they say "Ah but that's all part of Trump's MO, to keep people guessing at his real intentions"
I think it is crystal clear. Trump is basically stupid. Nothing said that more than the now legendary "disinfectant" press conference. The advice should be "no one ever got anywhere by overestimating the intelligence of Donald Trump."
Either Trump is an evil, hyper-intelligent Machiavellian monster, able to manipulate the public, or not. There is no middle ground considering his actions.
Personally I think Trump is just as dumb as the majority of the unwashed public, and that this is how he is able to appeal so widely. He thinks like they do. Any gaffs he makes are soon forgotten, or seldom noticed. And the establishment that surrounds him, Ivy Leaguers, cannot bring themselves to understand that a person who so thoroughly and viscerally embodies the ideological ideal of their precious capitalist state, and has achieved the highest office could be thick as pig shit.
Confirmed, reported Covid 19 deaths; 61,669
Weekly increase: 13,775
Nothing is different.
Actually the UK, Spain and Italy are doing far worse than the US. Why don't you or your buddy Sculptor ever mention that?Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 7:15 pm Excerpts below (full article here: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... to-america)
Michael Lewis: ‘Trump is like a psycho dad to America’
Author: Andrew Anthony
May 2, 2020
Lewis has a long track record for spotting trends. He was ahead of the game in his 1989 debut book Liar’s Poker, which revealed the scandalous risk-taking practised on Wall Street. He went on to document the monomaniacal ambition of Silicon Valley (The New New Thing) and the fledgling business of sports analytics (Moneyball).
Now that the coronavirus is here, Lewis has further predictions. He says that financial speculators will be looking to the White House for tips to exploit the economic crisis that the pandemic has unleashed.
“Given what we know about Trump and his network of cronies,” he says, “you just wonder how many of them are out there with some advanced notice of what he’s going to say, and are taking advantage of it.”
Liberal critics have come to realise that challenging Trump often serves only to rally his supporters.
In the latest issue of The Atlantic, entitled We Are Living in a Failed State, the respected commentator George Packer writes: “The crisis demanded a response that was swift, rational and collective. The United States reacted instead like Pakistan or Belarus — like a country with shoddy infrastructure and a dysfunctional government whose leaders were too corrupt or stupid to head off mass suffering.”
“The big thing he did,” Lewis said, “was to remove the pandemic response team from the White House. So he cost us time in the beginning, and time is lives. He cost us much more time than an ordinarily inept man would’ve cost us because, in addition to being inept, he dug his heels in and pretended for weeks that he wasn’t inept. And those weeks were expensive.”
Trump’s downplaying or outright denial of the Covid-19 threat is well-documented. From mid-January to mid-March, he seemed to view it as something that could be talked away, as though it would disappear through the sheer force of his bluster. Since then he has been forced by events to change tack. The strategic line, though, has been rather muddled: one moment he emphasises the need to support the lockdown, the next he encourages protesters to reject individual state restrictions.
“It’s interesting to watch,” Lewis says, “because I think he’s figuring out in his reptilian brain that he actually has to solve a problem, rather than just let it all happen and then make up a story after the fact.”
Such behaviour has led Lewis to conclude that Trump never expected to become president. The campaign was just a brand-building exercise. “He’s the dog who caught the car,” he says. But if that were the case, wouldn’t he welcome the release of electoral defeat in November?
“I’m guessing he’s worried about going to jail if he doesn’t control the White House,” Lewis says.
“The model I have in my head right now for our society is the model of a family with kind of a psycho, alcoholic dad,” says Lewis. “It is the story of how the country compensated for its president, which is a really bizarre story to tell about an American crisis.”
As Lewis puts it: “If this pandemic does not wake Americans up to the importance of good government, then nothing will.”
What the fuck are you talking about? I posted excerpts from an article. I don't need to talk about UK, Spain, or Italy or whatever else you've got up your butt. You are the one-eyed bigot who projects your crazy crap onto other people. Fuck off, Veggie, if you can't have a reasonable conversation. Your hate for Sculptor is not my issue, and I don't know what your problem is. So leave me out of it.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 7:27 pm Actually the UK, Spain and Italy are doing far worse than the US. Why don't you or your buddy Sculptor ever mention that?
No one knew what they right thing to do regarding this Chinese virus was--they still don't know.
Stop being such a one-eyed bigot.
Of course it's relevant. You both seem to think that Trump is doing particularly poorly when in fact he's doing no better or worse than anyone else.Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 7:39 pmWhat the fuck are you talking about? I posted excerpts from an article. I don't need to talk about UK, Spain, or Italy or whatever else you've got up your butt. You are the one-eyed bigot who projects your crazy crap onto other people. Fuck off, Veggie, if you can't have a reasonable conversation. Your hate for Sculptor is not my issue, and I don't know what your problem is. So leave me out of it.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 7:27 pm Actually the UK, Spain and Italy are doing far worse than the US. Why don't you or your buddy Sculptor ever mention that?
No one knew what they right thing to do regarding this Chinese virus was--they still don't know.
Stop being such a one-eyed bigot.
...no better or worse than anyone else, who could also be criticized for their response.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 9:53 pmOf course it's relevant. You both seem to think that Trump is doing particularly poorly when in fact he's doing no better or worse than anyone else.Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 7:39 pmWhat the fuck are you talking about? I posted excerpts from an article. I don't need to talk about UK, Spain, or Italy or whatever else you've got up your butt. You are the one-eyed bigot who projects your crazy crap onto other people. Fuck off, Veggie, if you can't have a reasonable conversation. Your hate for Sculptor is not my issue, and I don't know what your problem is. So leave me out of it.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 7:27 pm Actually the UK, Spain and Italy are doing far worse than the US. Why don't you or your buddy Sculptor ever mention that?
No one knew what they right thing to do regarding this Chinese virus was--they still don't know.
Stop being such a one-eyed bigot.
Whataboutery.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 7:27 pmActually the UK, Spain and Italy are doing far worse than the USLacewing wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 7:15 pm Excerpts below (full article here: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... to-america)
Michael Lewis: ‘Trump is like a psycho dad to America’
Author: Andrew Anthony
May 2, 2020
Lewis has a long track record for spotting trends. He was ahead of the game in his 1989 debut book Liar’s Poker, which revealed the scandalous risk-taking practised on Wall Street. He went on to document the monomaniacal ambition of Silicon Valley (The New New Thing) and the fledgling business of sports analytics (Moneyball).
Now that the coronavirus is here, Lewis has further predictions. He says that financial speculators will be looking to the White House for tips to exploit the economic crisis that the pandemic has unleashed.
“Given what we know about Trump and his network of cronies,” he says, “you just wonder how many of them are out there with some advanced notice of what he’s going to say, and are taking advantage of it.”
Liberal critics have come to realise that challenging Trump often serves only to rally his supporters.
In the latest issue of The Atlantic, entitled We Are Living in a Failed State, the respected commentator George Packer writes: “The crisis demanded a response that was swift, rational and collective. The United States reacted instead like Pakistan or Belarus — like a country with shoddy infrastructure and a dysfunctional government whose leaders were too corrupt or stupid to head off mass suffering.”
“The big thing he did,” Lewis said, “was to remove the pandemic response team from the White House. So he cost us time in the beginning, and time is lives. He cost us much more time than an ordinarily inept man would’ve cost us because, in addition to being inept, he dug his heels in and pretended for weeks that he wasn’t inept. And those weeks were expensive.”
Trump’s downplaying or outright denial of the Covid-19 threat is well-documented. From mid-January to mid-March, he seemed to view it as something that could be talked away, as though it would disappear through the sheer force of his bluster. Since then he has been forced by events to change tack. The strategic line, though, has been rather muddled: one moment he emphasises the need to support the lockdown, the next he encourages protesters to reject individual state restrictions.
“It’s interesting to watch,” Lewis says, “because I think he’s figuring out in his reptilian brain that he actually has to solve a problem, rather than just let it all happen and then make up a story after the fact.”
Such behaviour has led Lewis to conclude that Trump never expected to become president. The campaign was just a brand-building exercise. “He’s the dog who caught the car,” he says. But if that were the case, wouldn’t he welcome the release of electoral defeat in November?
“I’m guessing he’s worried about going to jail if he doesn’t control the White House,” Lewis says.
“The model I have in my head right now for our society is the model of a family with kind of a psycho, alcoholic dad,” says Lewis. “It is the story of how the country compensated for its president, which is a really bizarre story to tell about an American crisis.”
As Lewis puts it: “If this pandemic does not wake Americans up to the importance of good government, then nothing will.”
