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nothing wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:01 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:44 am Any person will see things in what they read and look at, which fit in with their already gained and being held onto assumptions and beliefs.

These people in fact cannot not help but corrupt and distort absolutely every thing they read and are looking at. Evidence and proof of this can be seen throughout this forum. In fact evidence and proof of this distorting and corrupting of things can be seen just in your very few words in your opening post here in this thread

"Believing" that the Qur'an is the perfect, inimitable, unaltered, inerrant and most "supreme" document on the face of the planet is where "distortion" begins.

'Believing' any thing to be true is exactly where distortion can begin.

nothing wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:01 pm The Qur'an is evolved from Syriac (not Arabic) Christian (not Islamic) strophic hymns (not "revelations"), contains numerous errors and was not codified/finalized (ie. was man-made and -handled from the start) until the mid-8th century. Additionally: all mosques constructed up until 730CE have qiblas facing Petra in South Jordan, and not Mecca in Saudi Arabia. That means it was changed after the death of the worshiped idol of Islam: Muhammad.

If you say so, then this must be true to you, correct?

nothing wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:01 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:44 am Your already gained and strongly held onto beliefs and assumptions, which are corrupting and distorting you to be a very racist, very judgemental, and very closed and distorted person can be clearly seen in your writings.

The accuser is the accused.

Age is again projecting the substance of his own nature onto others,
the same pathology as the Muhammadans
who similarly abuse others by labeling/slandering them esp.
by projecting the substance of their own nature.

Can you not see any racist, any judgmental, any closed, nor any distorted comments in those writings under the label "veritas aequitas"? If you can not, then so be it.

Now, if you want to accuse me of some thing like you have here, expose ANY or ALL of those things, which you accuse me of here.

Point out my exact words that you claim are false, wrong, and/or incorrect, explain why from your perspective they are what you claim they are. Then we can all look at them, and then discuss them. That is; if you are really up to this challenge.

nothing wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:01 pm Age is a perfect example of a fascist pig who does nothing but abuse, abuse and abuse people
who speak the truth about Islam: the idolatrous death cult rooted in

Is this the absolute TRUTH?

Have you ever even considered to question me, challenge me, or clarify with me about what I say first, or you prefer to just assume I am saying and meaning some thing that I am NOT and then just label me with some name, as though that is the absolute truth and this has been finalised?

nothing wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:01 pm "US vs. THEM"
viz.
"BELIEVER vs. UNBELIEVER"

and all the "believers" can do is point their fingers at others
and/or do what Age does: label, slander and abuse.

LOL you are so far off track that I think it will be near impossible to bring you back on.

But at least you are proving the very point I have been expressing since my coming to this forum.

nothing wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:01 pm Oh, by the way:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... obama.html

Clock is ticking.

So what?

You obviously have NO CLUE what a 'muslim' is, from my perspective.

In fact you have absolutely NO CLUE at all what I have been saying, meaning, and pointing out, which suits me perfectly.

nothing wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:01 pm

Age wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:38 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:41 am You have never claimed to have read the Quran fully and thoroughly nor have you done any reasonable research of the Quran's 6236 verses.

Reading something "fully and thoroughly" never means that one is doing any reasonable research at all. As I keep informing you absolutely every thing is relative to the observer. So, this means that no matter how many times you read some thing "fully and thoroughly" you will never obtain the true meaning and intention behind the writings from the author's perspective, if you are holding a preconception, exactly like you are here.

What you call a "reasonable research" is the most twisted and distorted thinking possible.

You are so stupid.

Yes we all already that 'I' am "so stupid". You have told us enough times already. We also know that if you say, "You are so stupid", then this must be 100% absolutely true, right, and correct, correct?

nothing wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:01 pm I asked the following basic questions;

• 1. Confirm how many times have you read the whole of the Quran.
  2. What is your approach in reading the Quran thoroughly?
  3. What sort of research have you done on the Quran's 6236 verses?

and you give me all sort of stupid replies in your response.

I'll ask again;
1. Confirm how many times have you read the whole of the Quran.
2. What is your approach in reading the Quran thoroughly?
3. What sort of research have you done on the Quran's 6236 verses?

Just me give direct answers instead of beating round the bush with stupid answers.

Talk about 'stupidity'. How could you not see the word 'NONE'? I even wrote that word in CAPITAL LETTERS for you. How much more direct, honest, and blunt could an answer get?

I have answered these question previously. So, I am not doing it again.

nothing wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:01 pm It is so basic,
how can you judge a book without reading it fully and thoroughly?

How can you judge my writings without reading them fully and thoroughly?

Yet you seemed to have jumped to and arrived at a conclusion already.

The ideology of the quran, just like the ideology of every religion, is based on and about how to reach love and peace for ALL. This can be clearly SEEN in the texts. That is; if they are read from an OPEN perspective and NOT from a prejudiced and preconceived perspective.

When what I have been suggesting to do, since my coming into this forum, is done, then what I am saying here can be and will be PROVEN to be True.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:40 am Muslims generally claimed the Bible [Gospels] had been corrupted by Christians.
For example, there is no Trinity by Allah, Jesus is not the Son of God but only a prophet, Jesus was not crucified, etc.
Muslims will quote verses from the Quran, 3:78, etc., to support their claim.
Is this true?

Yes that is true.

its also True that Muslims affirm the Torah

its also True the Jews deny the Trinity

its also True the Jews deny Christ as the Son of God and instead have the same view of him the Muslims do

its also True the New Testament (outside of Gospel of John which affirms the Trinity Theology) does not affirm Trinitarian theology - instead it claims Jesus was God's son - NOT God himself.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:44 pm The Book in question here is inseparable from the Chapters.

not so, there used to be 4 Korans, 3 were burned by 1000, to force a unfied book.

same for "the Bible" - not a unified whole work but 40 smaller books - each with their own theologies - some more combatible than others.

Mark is not compatible with John per the nature of Christ

Matt and Luke are with each other, but not per the above books per the nature of Christ - but matt and luke dissagree upon the nature of Satan and Christ chricifiction, Matt view's Jesus death as mandated by YHWH (as does Mark) - but Luke view's Christs death as an evil act by Satan (not mandated by YHWH) - Luke just thinks God had the last laugh via Jesus Ressurection!!!!!!!!!

so no there is no Unity in the Bible, there are many 10 or so versions of "Christianity" and "Judaism" - and many are too different from others books of the bible to honestly unify. some. many. all? of the books works are "wrong" - they have to be - since it is impossible to unify them to the other books of the bible.

Satan destroyed Saddam and Gammora (Duteronomy) - or was it God that did it? (Genesis) - only way to force that fit is to make Belial YHWH.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:52 pm the Jews were famous for writing down Torah and scribing diligently,

they were!

proven by the Kumran findings.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:52 pm even if they suppose the Christians were less fastidious...

no suposing the Chrsitians sucked at transcription, 20 times more errors than the Jewish works.

thats a fact - no supposition.

---------------

fact is like the Jewish beleif that Moses wrote the Torah (instead 30 men did over 200 yrs or so), the Muslim beleif that Mohammed is likewise bullshit. Several men wrote the Koran and there were 4 verients for 2-4 centureis before some Egytian Caliph did not like the idea and tracked down the 3 other version of the koran and burned them.

just like the Christian Bishops did with Gospel of Peter, Apocalypse of Peter,Infancy of Christ, etc 700 yr earlier

Age wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 10:01 pm

nothing wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:01 pm

Age wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:38 pm

Reading something "fully and thoroughly" never means that one is doing any reasonable research at all. As I keep informing you absolutely every thing is relative to the observer. So, this means that no matter how many times you read some thing "fully and thoroughly" you will never obtain the true meaning and intention behind the writings from the author's perspective, if you are holding a preconception, exactly like you are here.

What you call a "reasonable research" is the most twisted and distorted thinking possible.

You are so stupid.

Yes we all already that 'I' am "so stupid". You have told us enough times already. We also know that if you say, "You are so stupid", then this must be 100% absolutely true, right, and correct, correct?

nothing wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:01 pm I asked the following basic questions;

• 1. Confirm how many times have you read the whole of the Quran.
  2. What is your approach in reading the Quran thoroughly?
  3. What sort of research have you done on the Quran's 6236 verses?

and you give me all sort of stupid replies in your response.

I'll ask again;
1. Confirm how many times have you read the whole of the Quran.
2. What is your approach in reading the Quran thoroughly?
3. What sort of research have you done on the Quran's 6236 verses?

Just me give direct answers instead of beating round the bush with stupid answers.

Talk about 'stupidity'. How could you not see the word 'NONE'? I even wrote that word in CAPITAL LETTERS for you. How much more direct, honest, and blunt could an answer get?

I have answered these question previously. So, I am not doing it again.

nothing wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:01 pm It is so basic,
how can you judge a book without reading it fully and thoroughly?

How can you judge my writings without reading them fully and thoroughly?

Yet you seemed to have jumped to and arrived at a conclusion already.

The ideology of the quran, just like the ideology of every religion, is based on and about how to reach love and peace for ALL. This can be clearly SEEN in the texts. That is; if they are read from an OPEN perspective and NOT from a prejudiced and preconceived perspective.

When what I have been suggesting to do, since my coming into this forum, is done, then what I am saying here can be and will be PROVEN to be True.

Age has me quoted here, but I am not the author of those remarks.

Such gross lack of integrity is the same reason for my not replying to him.

nothing wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 11:13 am

Age wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 10:01 pm

nothing wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:01 pm
You are so stupid.

Yes we all already that 'I' am "so stupid". You have told us enough times already. We also know that if you say, "You are so stupid", then this must be 100% absolutely true, right, and correct, correct?

nothing wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:01 pm I asked the following basic questions;

• 1. Confirm how many times have you read the whole of the Quran.
  2. What is your approach in reading the Quran thoroughly?
  3. What sort of research have you done on the Quran's 6236 verses?

and you give me all sort of stupid replies in your response.

I'll ask again;
1. Confirm how many times have you read the whole of the Quran.
2. What is your approach in reading the Quran thoroughly?
3. What sort of research have you done on the Quran's 6236 verses?

Just me give direct answers instead of beating round the bush with stupid answers.

Talk about 'stupidity'. How could you not see the word 'NONE'? I even wrote that word in CAPITAL LETTERS for you. How much more direct, honest, and blunt could an answer get?

I have answered these question previously. So, I am not doing it again.

nothing wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:01 pm It is so basic,
how can you judge a book without reading it fully and thoroughly?

How can you judge my writings without reading them fully and thoroughly?

Yet you seemed to have jumped to and arrived at a conclusion already.

The ideology of the quran, just like the ideology of every religion, is based on and about how to reach love and peace for ALL. This can be clearly SEEN in the texts. That is; if they are read from an OPEN perspective and NOT from a prejudiced and preconceived perspective.

When what I have been suggesting to do, since my coming into this forum, is done, then what I am saying here can be and will be PROVEN to be True.

Age has me quoted here, but I am not the author of those remarks.

Such gross lack of integrity is the same reason for my not replying to him.

LOL So, what you did write and which I responded to, you will not reply to me, because of an obvious detraction and some excuse of "gross lack of integrity" on my part. What a joke.

I replied to the actual words you wrote, which, by the way, was even before this post was even written where I have obviously just made a mistake and ACCIDENTALLY used your name instead of the real author's name. I apologize profusely for making this mistake and misquoting you here. But using this as some sort of reason not to reply, then talk about a true lack of integrity.

Making an obvious accidental mistake has absolutely nothing at all to do with integrity. A gross lack of incompetence on my part yes. But any lack of integrity on my part, then a definite no. So, please refrain from ever trying to use my incompetence again as some sort of excuse for your own dishonesty and thus for your obvious lack of integrity, okay?

If you cannot reply to my response, then do not. But please do not try to again excuse your inability to reply away. Either you can or you can not reply to me. So, either just do it or do not do it. Trying to use or blame others for you not being able to reply shows and reveals where the true lack of integrity is coming from.

Age wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 1:01 pm .........

I asked the following basic questions;
1. Confirm how many times have you read the whole of the Quran.
2. What is your approach in reading the Quran thoroughly?
3. What sort of research have you done on the Quran's 6236 verses?
and you give me all sort of stupid replies in your response.

I'll ask again;
1. Confirm how many times have you read the whole of the Quran.
2. What is your approach in reading the Quran thoroughly?
3. What sort of research have you done on the Quran's 6236 verses?

Just me give direct answers instead of beating round the bush with stupid answers.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 7:50 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 1:01 pm .........

I asked the following basic questions;
1. Confirm how many times have you read the whole of the Quran.
2. What is your approach in reading the Quran thoroughly?
3. What sort of research have you done on the Quran's 6236 verses?
and you give me all sort of stupid replies in your response.

I'll ask again;
1. Confirm how many times have you read the whole of the Quran.
2. What is your approach in reading the Quran thoroughly?
3. What sort of research have you done on the Quran's 6236 verses?

Just me give direct answers instead of beating round the bush with stupid answers.

I gave you the most direct answers possible to your obviously leading and distorted thinking questions ALREADY.

All you have to do is just LOOK at MY RESPONSE to these questions before.

Age wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 11:20 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 7:50 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 1:01 pm .........

I asked the following basic questions;
1. Confirm how many times have you read the whole of the Quran.
2. What is your approach in reading the Quran thoroughly?
3. What sort of research have you done on the Quran's 6236 verses?
and you give me all sort of stupid replies in your response.

I'll ask again;
1. Confirm how many times have you read the whole of the Quran.
2. What is your approach in reading the Quran thoroughly?
3. What sort of research have you done on the Quran's 6236 verses?

Just me give direct answers instead of beating round the bush with stupid answers.

I gave you the most direct answers possible to your obviously leading and distorted thinking questions ALREADY.

All you have to do is just LOOK at MY RESPONSE to these questions before.

I have not read of any direct answers from you.
If you had, it is not a problem to repeat the 3 simple direct answers.

So what are your answers to the above question and don't beat around the bushes.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 4:47 am

Age wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 11:20 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 7:50 am

I asked the following basic questions;
1. Confirm how many times have you read the whole of the Quran.
2. What is your approach in reading the Quran thoroughly?
3. What sort of research have you done on the Quran's 6236 verses?
and you give me all sort of stupid replies in your response.

I'll ask again;
1. Confirm how many times have you read the whole of the Quran.
2. What is your approach in reading the Quran thoroughly?
3. What sort of research have you done on the Quran's 6236 verses?

Just me give direct answers instead of beating round the bush with stupid answers.

I gave you the most direct answers possible to your obviously leading and distorted thinking questions ALREADY.

All you have to do is just LOOK at MY RESPONSE to these questions before.

I have not read of any direct answers from you.
If you had, it is not a problem to repeat the 3 simple direct answers.

So what are your answers to the above question and don't beat around the bushes.

If you can not find and see my very direct anseers, then you are obviously BLINDED by your own distorted thinking.

How about I put out the challenge and ask if anyone else can not see my answers?

Age wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 9:05 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 4:47 am

Age wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 11:20 am

I gave you the most direct answers possible to your obviously leading and distorted thinking questions ALREADY.

All you have to do is just LOOK at MY RESPONSE to these questions before.

I have not read of any direct answers from you.
If you had, it is not a problem to repeat the 3 simple direct answers.

So what are your answers to the above question and don't beat around the bushes.

If you can not find and see my very direct anseers, then you are obviously BLINDED by your own distorted thinking.

How about I put out the challenge and ask if anyone else can not see my answers?

Don't give silly excuses.

I asked the following basic questions;
1. Confirm how many times have you read the whole of the Quran.
2. What is your approach in reading the Quran thoroughly?
3. What sort of research have you done on the Quran's 6236 verses?
and you give me all sort of stupid replies in your response.

I'll ask again;
1. Confirm how many times have you read the whole of the Quran.
2. What is your approach in reading the Quran thoroughly?
3. What sort of research have you done on the Quran's 6236 verses?

Just me give direct answers instead of beating round the bush with stupid answers.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 7:30 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 9:05 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 4:47 am
I have not read of any direct answers from you.
If you had, it is not a problem to repeat the 3 simple direct answers.

So what are your answers to the above question and don't beat around the bushes.

If you can not find and see my very direct anseers, then you are obviously BLINDED by your own distorted thinking.

How about I put out the challenge and ask if anyone else can not see my answers?

Don't give silly excuses.

How can saying I have already given you very direct answers, and even capitalized, be any sort of "excuse".

Either I have provided you with my answers directly, or I have not. No one so far, as of yet, has said they also can not see my answers.

Are you sure you looked hard enough?

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 7:30 am I asked the following basic questions;
1. Confirm how many times have you read the whole of the Quran.
2. What is your approach in reading the Quran thoroughly?
3. What sort of research have you done on the Quran's 6236 verses?
and you give me all sort of stupid replies in your response.

I'll ask again;
1. Confirm how many times have you read the whole of the Quran.
2. What is your approach in reading the Quran thoroughly?
3. What sort of research have you done on the Quran's 6236 verses?

Just me give direct answers instead of beating round the bush with stupid answers.

I have already.

If you have already checked and still can not find them, then your distorted thinking is BLINDING you more that I even thought would be possible.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:40 am Muslims generally claimed the Bible [Gospels] had been corrupted by Christians.
For example, there is no Trinity by Allah, Jesus is not the Son of God but only a prophet, Jesus was not crucified, etc.
Muslims will quote verses from the Quran, 3:78, etc., to support their claim.
Is this true?

Note this defense and great explanation:
The Bible is not corrupted by David Wood and Sam Shamoun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2-sSeGisSY

There is no trinity in the Bible, just ask Isaac Newton. It's not so much what is not there as what Christianity colonised. The trinity goes back way before Jesus and possibly way before Judaism.

As for your other questions. Who gives a F?

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 1:19 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:40 am Muslims generally claimed the Bible [Gospels] had been corrupted by Christians.
For example, there is no Trinity by Allah, Jesus is not the Son of God but only a prophet, Jesus was not crucified, etc.
Muslims will quote verses from the Quran, 3:78, etc., to support their claim.
Is this true?

Note this defense and great explanation:
The Bible is not corrupted by David Wood and Sam Shamoun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2-sSeGisSY

There is no trinity in the Bible, just ask Isaac Newton. It's not so much what is not there as what Christianity colonised. The trinity goes back way before Jesus and possibly way before Judaism.

As for your other questions. Who gives a F?

The concept and idea of 'trinity' is a very common which, yes, stretch back long before Judaism way back to the vedas with Hinduism.

In the OP, the Quran [you are ignorant of] specifically refer to the Trinity in the Bible.

I did not ask you to F... the questions, they were addressed to "Age' specifically.