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Age wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:18 am …

I'm not reading your post, Age. Just not interested. You say you want truthful feedback, and that's what I gave you. If you cannot see what I've pointed out to you about your projections and misinterpretations (things that you have no way of claiming or knowing about me, and your claims are false), so be it. Good luck to you.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:04 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:18 am [The usual]

I'm not reading your post, Age. Just not interested. Good luck to you.

This is because anything outside of "lacewing's" own RELIGION is not worthy of being looked at and discussed. The belief and religion that there is actually countless truths is just as absurd as EVERY other religion IS. And just like the people in EVERY other religion do not like to look at and discuss openly and honestly anything contrary to their own personal beliefs and religion, "lacewing's" own beliefs and religion is no different at all. Just like the people in ALL religions are not interested in looking at and discussing what thee actual Truth IS, "lacewing" is no different at all.

The atheist religion is just as steadfast and dishonest as the theist religions are or any other religion is. "lacewing's" religion is no different as well.

ALL religions are fixed, closed, and dishonest.

The title of this thread and the way people can suddenly turn "disinterested", when talking about their religion, REVEALS just how CLOSED and DISHONEST people of religions can be, and are.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:22 am More projections

I can tell from the first few words that you're making up more crap again. Really, you should stop doing that about people. You do not know me. Stop thinking that you do.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:25 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:22 am More projections

I can tell from the first few words that you're making up more crap again. Really, you should stop doing that about people. You do not know me. Stop thinking that you do.

Look, I KNOW 'you' far better than you could even imagine, YET.

You just saying the words 'more projections', as I said earlier, is exactly what you are doing here now.

I can PROVE that I KNOW 'you' better than you do. That is; If you care to take up the challenge?

And if you call your OWN RELIGION crap, then so be it. It is your OWN RELIGION after all.

The sense of 'I' knows nothing of this 'I'

All ''knowledge claims'' are of that same ONE Not-Knowing I-ness from whence I AM known is sourced.

And that's about all there is to know folks.

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Impenitent wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:07 pm

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:39 pm

Impenitent wrote: ↑Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:41 pm religious inquisitions are small compared to secular purges...

-Imp

Lets do some bean counting if that is how you want to measure evil.

Religions are presently conducting a non-lethal inquisition against women and gays with their homophobic and misogynous ways and teachings.

That discrimination without a just cause is against better than half the planet.

Regards
DL

non lethal (and lethal as well) inquisitions against the other have occurred ever since the "righteous" form groups... some are more lethal than others

-Imp

I find it strange that I have to defend my enemy, organized religion, but ---

Your statement is true, but to be fair, for example, Constantine's government that put it's policies within the religions, is the one who sat back and not only let it happen, he encouraged it.

The same condition is what we have today, as governments allow the formation of armed militia.

Inquisitions and jihads are the killers while governments are the don. Both are guilty of murder.

Regards
DL

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:51 pm

Impenitent wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:07 pm

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:39 pm Religions are presently conducting a non-lethal inquisition against women and gays with their homophobic and misogynous ways and teachings.

non lethal (and lethal as well) inquisitions against the other have occurred ever since the "righteous" form groups... some are more lethal than others

A "non-lethal" inquisition? What a weird phrase.

Is that like "non-wet water," or "non-toxic poison"?

Normal people just call that a "difference of opinion."

Most moral people will call discrimination without a just cause evil and fight the bastards who do it. Right?

Regards
DL

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:43 am The sense of 'I' knows nothing of this 'I'

All ''knowledge claims'' are of that same ONE Not-Knowing I-ness from whence I AM known is sourced.

And that's about all there is to know folks.

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I disagree.

What you need to know is better English so that you can write something intelligible.

Then again, we French have always had issues with the English.

Regards
DL

Dubious wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:49 pm Atheism is the counterpoint to theism. The question then becomes would atheism even exist as an idea or concept if theism itself never existed invoking its opposite. If atheism were not forced forward as a negation would it have any meaning at all, would the word even need to exist? If it weren't for the perverse psychological needs of humans there would have been no need to imagine any kind of theistic entity since nothing of the kind ever presented itself. Both Imagination and subterfuge are indispensable to theism in creating something out of nothing but like Yeats wrote the center cannot hold because there is no center. Since theism obviously exists having ruled the world for so long, it by its own illogic is forced to create a monster child proclaiming its parent is a fiction.

Point taken.

IOW, Yin/religion, cannot exist without Yang/atheism.

Belief in the notion that there is more to life than what we see is natural and instinctive. We are built to create gods. We just forgot that we created all of them and stupidly let ourselves be subsumed by them.

Knowing this truth is why Gnostic Christians put man above god, while the stupid religions put god above man.

Regards
DL

Atheists are people who believe that god or gods are man-made constructs.
Religions are belief systems that relate humanity to spirituality.

In reality. Nothingness exists. Now everythingness also exists. And this is what you encounter, everythingness.
Here we're getting into definitions in this CONception.

You experience that you are God. But before you experience that, you know that you are nothing; you have to go through the experience of Nothingness.

Nothing exists but God.

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Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:18 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:51 pm

Impenitent wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:07 pm

non lethal (and lethal as well) inquisitions against the other have occurred ever since the "righteous" form groups... some are more lethal than others

A "non-lethal" inquisition? What a weird phrase.

Is that like "non-wet water," or "non-toxic poison"?

Normal people just call that a "difference of opinion."

Most moral people will call discrimination without a just cause evil and fight the bastards who do it. Right?

Well, "discrimination" is not necessarily a dirty word, if you check the dictionary.

There, you'll find positive cases. A "discriminating" wine-taster knows the difference between Chateau Lafite and plonk. A "discriminating" stamp collector recognizes when a mere dilettante has a "two-penny blue" in his collection. Their "undiscriminating" counterparts don't. That's not a good thing for the indiscriminate.

So whether or not one is "discriminating" in a good or bad sense is not merely established by invoking the word "discriminating." It's not a good thing not to know the difference between things, and to be so dull as to be incapable of seeing important distinctions.

Consequently, the vexed question there is, "what is the moral status of a given group?" And it isn't settled by someone arbitrarily ruling on one side or the other, and calling everybody who thinks differently "evil bastards." That's merely an attempt to bully the field into agreeing with her opinion. Really, it's quite simple-minded, childish and foolish -- as well as irrelevant to the question in hand -- and a philosopher of any rational discrimination at all sees right through such a transparent strategy every time, and remains unimpressed.

Those who have a difference of opinion should trade reasons, not trade pejoratives. Pejoratives are merely a way of ginning up gratuitous hatred.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 1:31 pm Atheists are people who believe that god or gods are man-made constructs.
Religions are belief systems that relate humanity to spirituality.

In reality. Nothingness exists. Now everythingness also exists. And this is what you encounter, everythingness.
Here we're getting into definitions in this CONception.

You experience that you are God. But before you experience that, you know that you are nothing; you have to go through the experience of Nothingness.

Nothing exists but God.

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Many atheists say they are not religious but are spiritual.

Define god. It looks like you are defining it as everything and nothing at the same time.

Try my definition of just the best rules and laws to live by. Those definitely exist.

Regards
DL

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 2:20 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 1:31 pm Atheists are people who believe that god or gods are man-made constructs.
Religions are belief systems that relate humanity to spirituality.

In reality. Nothingness exists. Now everythingness also exists. And this is what you encounter, everythingness.
Here we're getting into definitions in this CONception.

You experience that you are God. But before you experience that, you know that you are nothing; you have to go through the experience of Nothingness.

Nothing exists but God.

.

Many atheists say they are not religious but are spiritual.

Define god. It looks like you are defining it as everything and nothing at the same time.

Try my definition of just the best rules and laws to live by. Those definitely exist.

Regards
DL

I'm neither religious nor spiritual.
Atheism is not a religion.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 1:45 pm

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:18 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:51 pm

A "non-lethal" inquisition? What a weird phrase.

Is that like "non-wet water," or "non-toxic poison"?

Normal people just call that a "difference of opinion."

Most moral people will call discrimination without a just cause evil and fight the bastards who do it. Right?

Well, "discrimination" is not necessarily a dirty word, if you check the dictionary.

There, you'll find positive cases. A "discriminating" wine-taster knows the difference between Chateau Lafite and plonk. A "discriminating" stamp collector recognizes when a mere dilettante has a "two-penny blue" in his collection. Their "undiscriminating" counterparts don't. That's not a good thing for the indiscriminate.

So whether or not one is "discriminating" in a good or bad sense is not merely established by invoking the word "discriminating." It's not a good thing not to know the difference between things, and to be so dull as to be incapable of seeing important distinctions.

Consequently, the vexed question there is, "what is the moral status of a given group?" And it isn't settled by someone arbitrarily ruling on one side or the other, and calling everybody who thinks differently "evil bastards." That's merely an attempt to bully the field into agreeing with her opinion. Really, it's quite simple-minded, childish and foolish -- as well as irrelevant to the question in hand -- and a philosopher of any rational discrimination at all sees right through such a transparent strategy every time, and remains unimpressed.

Those who have a difference of opinion should trade reasons, not trade pejoratives. Pejoratives are merely a way of ginning up gratuitous hatred.

So now we have lowered ourselves to the definition of words.

I have made your same argument for the word discriminate.

Facts are that 99% only use it in the negative. I can amend it to negative discrimination without a just cause if you like.

I am not going to waste my time in discussions on the meaning of words. Take your (cheep) point.

Regards
DL

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 2:24 pm

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 2:20 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Apr 18, 2020 1:31 pm Atheists are people who believe that god or gods are man-made constructs.
Religions are belief systems that relate humanity to spirituality.

In reality. Nothingness exists. Now everythingness also exists. And this is what you encounter, everythingness.
Here we're getting into definitions in this CONception.

You experience that you are God. But before you experience that, you know that you are nothing; you have to go through the experience of Nothingness.

Nothing exists but God.

.

Many atheists say they are not religious but are spiritual.

Define god. It looks like you are defining it as everything and nothing at the same time.

Try my definition of just the best rules and laws to live by. Those definitely exist.

Regards
DL

I'm neither religious nor spiritual.
Atheism is not a religion.

By my definition it is.

KIS or we end in just discussing the meaning of words and as stated, I have no time for such B S. Why? Just read what I quote below.

Since following an ideology is a prerequisite of religion, atheism can be considered a religion, since atheists draws on philosophical ideologies to guide ideas, behaviors, and actions, like that of any religion. That is why atheist churches are called atheist churches.

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Atheists Are Sometimes More Religious Than Christians
A new study shows how poorly we understand the beliefs of people who identify as atheist, agnostic, or nothing in particular.

Americans are deeply religious people—and atheists are no exception. Western Europeans are deeply secular people—and Christians are no exception.

These twin statements are generalizations, but they capture the essence of a fascinating finding in a new study about Christian identity in Western Europe. By surveying almost 25,000 people in 15 countries in the region, and comparing the results with data previously gathered in the U.S., the Pew Research Center discovered three things.

First, researchers confirmed the widely known fact that, overall, Americans are much more religious than Western Europeans. They gauged religious commitment using standard questions, including “Do you believe in God with absolute certainty?” and “Do you pray daily?”

Second, the researchers found that American “nones”—those who identify as atheist, agnostic, or nothing in particular—are more religious than European nones. The notion that religiously unaffiliated people can be religious at all may seem contradictory, but if you disaffiliate from organized religion it does not necessarily mean you’ve sworn off belief in God, say, or prayer.

The third finding reported in the study is by far the most striking. As it turns out, “American ‘nones’ are as religious as—or even more religious than—Christians in several European countries, including France, Germany, and the U.K.”

“That was a surprise,” Neha Sahgal, the lead researcher on the study, told me. “That’s the comparison that’s fascinating to me.” She highlighted the fact that whereas only 23 percent of European Christians say they believe in God with absolute certainty, 27 percent of American nones say this.

America is a country so suffused with faith that religious attributes abound even among the secular. Consider the rise of “atheist churches,” which cater to Americans who have lost faith in supernatural deities but still crave community, enjoy singing with others, and want to think deeply about morality. It’s religion, minus all the God stuff. This is a phenomenon spreading across the country, from the Seattle Atheist Church to the North Texas Church of Freethought. The Oasis Network, which brings together non-believers to sing and learn every Sunday morning, has affiliates in nine U.S. cities.

Last month, almost 1,000 people streamed into a [Atheist] church in San Francisco for an unprecedented event billed as “Beyoncé Mass.” Most were people of color and members of the LGBTQ community. Many were secular. They used Queen Bey’s songs, which are replete with religious symbolism, as the basis for a communal celebration—one that had all the trappings of a religious service. That seemed completely fitting to some, including one reverend who said, “Beyoncé is a better theologian than many of the pastors and priests in our church today.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...t ... ns/560936/

Regards
DL