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Lots of emotion, not enough philosophy on this thread.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:18 pmHow very patronising. It's one of the oldest civilisations. If they haven't developed empathy by now then I really don't think I would make much difference. If it started to hit them in the pocket then that would be another matter.

You always had your head very far up your ass, with communism they was set like 500 years back, everything got stooped down and all media got state controlled, thereby they couldn't advance their civilisation, only when China got Hong Kong back they realized that communism wasn't the way, and converted to capitalism ..it was a slow crawl.

HexHammer wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 3:40 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:18 pmHow very patronising. It's one of the oldest civilisations. If they haven't developed empathy by now then I really don't think I would make much difference. If it started to hit them in the pocket then that would be another matter.

You always had your head very far up your ass, with communism they was set like 500 years back, everything got stooped down and all media got state controlled, thereby they couldn't advance their civilisation, only when China got Hong Kong back they realized that communism wasn't the way, and converted to capitalism ..it was a slow crawl.

Please translate into English. Even google translate would be better than nothing.

HexHammer wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 3:40 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:18 pmHow very patronising. It's one of the oldest civilisations. If they haven't developed empathy by now then I really don't think I would make much difference. If it started to hit them in the pocket then that would be another matter.

You always had your head very far up your ass, with communism they was set like 500 years back, everything got stooped down and all media got state controlled, thereby they couldn't advance their civilisation, only when China got Hong Kong back they realized that communism wasn't the way, and converted to capitalism ..it was a slow crawl.

They didn't convert to capitalism. They' adopted elements of capitalism. Mostly, China is still commie.

Bakhita wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:36 pm Lots of emotion, not enough philosophy on this thread.

Lots of bigotry, racism and ignorance. No philosophy at all.

HexHammer wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 3:40 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:18 pmHow very patronising. It's one of the oldest civilisations. If they haven't developed empathy by now then I really don't think I would make much difference. If it started to hit them in the pocket then that would be another matter.

You always had your head very far up your ass, with communism they was set like 500 years back, everything got stooped down and all media got state controlled, thereby they couldn't advance their civilisation, only when China got Hong Kong back they realized that communism wasn't the way, and converted to capitalism ..it was a slow crawl.

China has always been capitalist. The model has been state-capitalism. Your comment is also wrong about Hong Kong, as if there was a cause and effect.
China has never been communist. The change in the 20thC was from Feudal Capitalism with disparate control of resources through multi-cephalic fiefdoms, to a full state central control of all resources.
"Communism" has been nothing more that the means of propaganda and mind control; a pretence of unity and participation, where actually it was never more than a super feudalism.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:00 pmThey didn't convert to capitalism. They' adopted elements of capitalism. Mostly, China is still commie.

They are indeed still very communistic, but Imo they're still very capitalistic, even if it's just a ultra light version it's still better than what was before.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:04 amChina has always been capitalist. The model has been state-capitalism. Your comment is also wrong about Hong Kong, as if there was a cause and effect.
China has never been communist. The change in the 20thC was from Feudal Capitalism with disparate control of resources through multi-cephalic fiefdoms, to a full state central control of all resources.
"Communism" has been nothing more that the means of propaganda and mind control; a pretence of unity and participation, where actually it was never more than a super feudalism.

That tiny bit of capitalism they had, was insignificant, they never understood how to utilize capitalism, and back then they were much more commie than capitalist. No communist country ever were 100% as Marx had envisioned.

HexHammer wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:22 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:04 amChina has always been capitalist. The model has been state-capitalism. Your comment is also wrong about Hong Kong, as if there was a cause and effect.
China has never been communist. The change in the 20thC was from Feudal Capitalism with disparate control of resources through multi-cephalic fiefdoms, to a full state central control of all resources.
"Communism" has been nothing more that the means of propaganda and mind control; a pretence of unity and participation, where actually it was never more than a super feudalism.

That tiny bit of capitalism they had, was insignificant, they never understood how to utilize capitalism, and back then they were much more commie than capitalist. No communist country ever were 100% as Marx had envisioned.

The idea of communism is to put the means of production in the hands of the people. It is for the state to capitalise and control the entire economy. When all the economic power is in the hands of a small number of people; this is capitalism.
Mao's China was not "a little bit" capitalist, it was 100% based on feudal capitalism. All the resources were directed at the preservation of the power which held it.

The idea of communism is to put the means of production in the hands of the people

In part, yeah.

Mostly though, communism supposes man is sumthin' he's not (to be generous, Marx assumes man is a team player).

Communism, as Marx laid it out, doesn't work (it can't cuz man, while social and cooperative, is also self-interested and competitive; man, by defintion, is not socialist).

So, when communism is tried it's always a hybrid or kludge, a mixture of Marx and other. And the mix is always ugly cuz communism is ugly and anti-individual.

As for China: Sculptor is (surprisingly) right in that communism is the veneer applied to a feudal culture. Thing is: communism, as ugly sackcloth dress dress draped on the feudalism, fits perfectly. The result is the rather vicious, avaricious strain of Marxist governance we see now.

America's (state) capitalism (a far cry from Free Enterprise), while not perfect, is a damned sight better.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 2:24 pmThe idea of communism is to put the means of production in the hands of the people. It is for the state to capitalise and control the entire economy. When all the economic power is in the hands of a small number of people; this is capitalism.
Mao's China was not "a little bit" capitalist, it was 100% based on feudal capitalism. All the resources were directed at the preservation of the power which held it.

Just because China doesn't follow your weird idea of "communism" doesn't mean China wasn't communist, it WAS extremely communistic! You live in a fairytale world, either come out of that fairytale world or shut up!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_China

HexHammer wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:34 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2020 2:24 pmThe idea of communism is to put the means of production in the hands of the people. It is for the state to capitalise and control the entire economy. When all the economic power is in the hands of a small number of people; this is capitalism.
Mao's China was not "a little bit" capitalist, it was 100% based on feudal capitalism. All the resources were directed at the preservation of the power which held it.

Just because China doesn't follow your weird idea of "communism" doesn't mean China wasn't communist,

It's not my idea.
The idea of communism as I describe it is at least as old as the 17thC, expressed this way by those that led the Civil War, and was developed by many left wing thinkers all the way to Marx and beyond. It is still live today and has many examples.
Just because you can copy and paste a Wiki link does not mean you know what the fuck you are talking about, you don't. All you are doing is expressing your woeful ignorance.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:55 pmIt's not my idea.
The idea of communism as I describe it is at least as old as the 17thC, expressed this way by those that led the Civil War, and was developed by many left wing thinkers all the way to Marx and beyond. It is still live today and has many examples.
Just because you can copy and paste a Wiki link does not mean you know what the fuck you are talking about, you don't. All you are doing is expressing your woeful ignorance.

So even China that called themselves commies, even our commie party here in Denmark called China commies, even Russia that was commie called China for commies ..but you have the infinite true insight and EVERYBODY else are wrong!! ..you sure sound skitzo!!

HexHammer wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:48 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:55 pmIt's not my idea.
The idea of communism as I describe it is at least as old as the 17thC, expressed this way by those that led the Civil War, and was developed by many left wing thinkers all the way to Marx and beyond. It is still live today and has many examples.
Just because you can copy and paste a Wiki link does not mean you know what the fuck you are talking about, you don't. All you are doing is expressing your woeful ignorance.

So even China that called themselves commies, even our commie party here in Denmark called China commies, even Russia that was commie called China for commies ..but you have the infinite true insight and EVERYBODY else are wrong!! ..you sure sound skitzo!!

Yeah, and 90% of Americans love MacDonalds too.